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Syns Taak	Posted - 2006.07.13 14:05:00 - [1] Here I am convincing two people to pay for eve on the basis that they wont 'Just be killing & farming' They are really excited about building a financial & production empire. 3 weeks into the game and I (with them) have now checked every single region in empire and those surrounding it and there is not ONE lab slot for at least TWO WEEKS. They have left the game today because they cant even get started. They cant research a bp to be competitive, they cant do their research missions, not because they are not capable or because they have in some FUN way had to be creative... but because the game puts a needless and unjustified restriction on them. For the love of god sort it out!!!
Avon	Posted - 2006.07.13 14:09:00 - [2] Interesting. My alt put 2 jobs on yesterday with no wait. I think you may be overstating the problem, or understating your efforts. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
La Voute	Posted - 2006.07.13 14:09:00 - [3] Edited by: La Voute on 13/07/2006 14:09:16 There are multiples ways to overcome such difficulties. Some people offer services to research BPOs for you. Or, you can build a POS and then do the research from there. With that second option, you won't even be bothered by the waiting time, the POS will be yours to control. BTW, if you think this is a fast paced game where you can jump in, and think you can survive alone in 2 weeks, your wrong. This is a MULTIPLAYER game and you should learn from the more experienced players, and tag along them. La Voute
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.07.13 14:11:00 - [4] I put my Covetor BPO in a slot with 7 days' wait in a system a few jumps from Jita in The Forge. So I highly doubt you searched "every single region" when I found a 7 day slot in the most popular region in the game . Prigogine Technologies also offers a research service which will not only do it with no wait, but will also do it at up to and over 25% faster speeds. --Proud member of the [23]-- -WTS Nanotransistors, Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II-
Telemicus Thrace	Posted - 2006.07.13 14:13:00 - [5] Low sec labs tend to have shorter waits, at least they did the last time I used one. Or as suggested build your own lab. >> RECRUITING <<
Hamnd	Posted - 2006.07.13 14:14:00 - [6] Edited by: Hamnd on 13/07/2006 14:15:17 Literally... just checked every single EMPIRE region this morning with them. Not one space. I challenge you find me one now :D All they have done in 3 weeks of (use this term VERY loosely) 'play' is fly around in a shuttle looking for a single lab slot. Just one.... between them.... how is that fun? And thus they have quit. They think I am a liar when I told them a science/industry char was a viable way to play the game :/ I dont think building a POS is a viable option for 3 week old players either is it?
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.07.13 14:15:00 - [7] Originally by: Hamnd I dont think building a POS is a viable option for 3 week old players either is it? Did you read what I said about Prigogine Technologies, who offer a POS research service? --Proud member of the [23]-- -WTS Nanotransistors, Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II-
Arcticblue2	Posted - 2006.07.13 14:17:00 - [8] I find on regular basis short times.. when I need it, and if you think THAT was stupid then think of how it used to be.. 30 slots in various stations, no que because someone always putting their shuttle bpo into it to keep it for later use. Sometimes had to buy you a researchslot for like 10-15 million and then there was the scam... where you tought you had bought one and got scammed Trust me... it is far far better now. ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor.
Tas Devil	Posted - 2006.07.13 14:17:00 - [9] Originally by: Hamnd Literally... just checked every single EMPIRE region this morning with them. Not one space. I challenge you find me one now :D All they have done in 3 weeks of (use this term VERY loosely) 'play' is fly around in a shuttle looking for a single lab slot. Just one.... between them.... how is that fun? I dont think building a POS is a viable option for 3 week old players either is it? Reviving an old problem that is fundamentally fixed is lame... Besides, there is no way you checked all of EVE regions this morning flying around in a shuttle with a 3 week character... You probably checked 3-4 regions and decided you had enough and are extrapolating your findings to apply to all of EVE's empire regions... As DS mentioned and I can corroborate this... Lonetrek has a number of slots available for less then 1 week waiting time in the ME research category... no waiting time at all in PE or copying slots... Being lazy is not a valid reason for decrying this game... The best Laugh ever ... Credit goes to Killer8 for this ! Oh and apparently the mods tell me there is bad language on his site so beware kids :)
Hamnd	Posted - 2006.07.13 14:19:00 - [10] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Hamnd I dont think building a POS is a viable option for 3 week old players either is it? Did you read what I said about Prigogine Technologies, who offer a POS research service? I did... I am guessing it aint free and these guys havent had the opportunity to make a dime. It's too late... they are gone. My point being there is no reason to make it so unessecaryily awkward, difficult and frustrating. Its crap design flat-out. If someone decides to be a combat person... they dont have to survey the whole universe pointlessly looking for something to shoot at... Its stupid things like this that give eve a bad name.... and this is coming from a 4-5 year vet of the game (alpha & beta included!)
Tabet Saens	Posted - 2006.07.13 14:20:00 - [11] Edited by: Tabet Saens on 13/07/2006 14:24:14 Every region?!? Me thinks you are exaggerating. Because just last night, I put a bpo in research with a 4 day wait. On average though, I tend to have to wait 7-8 days. And this particular system is hisec as well. go figure! edit: Essence was the region, btw.
Hamnd	Posted - 2006.07.13 14:22:00 - [12] Reviving an old problem that is fundamentally fixed is lame... Besides, there is no way you checked all of EVE regions this morning flying around in a shuttle with a 3 week character... You probably checked 3-4 regions and decided you had enough and are extrapolating your findings to apply to all of EVE's empire regions... As DS mentioned and I can corroborate this... Lonetrek has a number of slots available for less then 1 week waiting time in the ME research category... no waiting time at all in PE or copying slots... Being lazy is not a valid reason for decrying this game... You shouldnt so presumptious as it makes you look very pompous and occasionally silly ;) 3 people, split up, in shuttles can very easily check every region in the whole universe with a few hours (bar gate ganks in 0.0) We checked approx 33 regions empire and surrounding. As far as any 3 week old char is likely to be able to get to!!
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.07.13 14:22:00 - [13] Originally by: Hamnd Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Hamnd I dont think building a POS is a viable option for 3 week old players either is it? Did you read what I said about Prigogine Technologies, who offer a POS research service? I did... I am guessing it aint free and these guys havent had the opportunity to make a dime. Of course its not free. But if they don't have the cash to pay for slots, how will they pay for BPOs? And why can't they buy pre-researched BPCs on escrow? Originally by: Hamnd It's too late... they are gone. My point being there is no reason to make it so unessecaryily awkward, difficult and frustrating. Its crap design flat-out. Its not bad design, its supply and demand. Originally by: Hamnd If someone decides to be a combat person... they dont have to survey the whole universe pointlessly looking for something to shoot at... In many ways, quite often they do. Originally by: Hamnd Its stupid things like this that give eve a bad name.... and this is coming from a 4-5 year vet of the game (alpha & beta included!) By the same logic, do you think that something is "wrong" with real life because gold costs hundreds of dollars an ounce? --Proud member of the [23]-- -WTS Nanotransistors, Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II-
Freyer	Posted - 2006.07.13 14:23:00 - [14] Well, I donÆt normally reply to whines but here I am. I have never once seen a lab slot with over 2 weeks in it. Maybe it's because I donÆt leave my region often but when it comes down to it, you canÆt have checked every region because as soon as I saw your post I went to where I do research with some at 4 DAYS! Might I add I only do research in empire as well. Tell me IÆm pretty
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.07.13 14:25:00 - [15] Originally by: Hamnd You shouldnt so presumptious as it makes you look very pompous and occasionally silly ;) 3 people, split up, in shuttles can very easily check every region in the whole universe with a few hours (bar gate ganks in 0.0) We checked approx 33 regions empire and surrounding. As far as any 3 week old char is likely to be able to get to!! Something tells me you forgot to sort the labs by "amount of time remaining", or you sorted backwards. Because considering I was staring at 9 day slots this morning in Essence, I don't see how your post can be true in any way, shape, or form. --Proud member of the [23]-- -WTS Nanotransistors, Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II-
Hamnd	Posted - 2006.07.13 14:26:00 - [16] Dark you are just being argumentative. There is never ever a lack of something to shoot at. You know it!! Be it players, belt rats, agent missions, complexes, etc I lent them the money for their first two BPO's a 1000isk I coulda lent them too ;) Thats it though ... its as far as they have got! 3 weeks of watching autopilot and where has it got them. They are literally laughing at the game... I wonder why!
Smagd	Posted - 2006.07.13 14:28:00 - [17] Edited by: Smagd on 13/07/2006 14:32:52 Originally by: Avon Interesting. My alt put 2 jobs on yesterday with no wait. I think you may be overstating the problem, or understating your efforts. But was that in Empire, like the OP was looking for? Edit: Originally by: Tabet Saens Every region?!? Me thinks you are exaggerating. Because just last night, I put a bpo in research with a 4 day wait. On average though, I tend to have to wait 7-8 days. And this particular system is hisec as well. go figure! Oh okay, lucky you there. My personal wait is about 4 days in an unfashionable low sec system somewhere, so I'm not too bothered esp. since the BPOs go in for pretty long anyway. It's bringing them back out in one piece that's the interesting bit. Fly far -- When I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally. Thukkers do
Hamnd	Posted - 2006.07.13 14:29:00 - [18] Edited by: Hamnd on 13/07/2006 14:28:50 Double post
Hamnd	Posted - 2006.07.13 14:29:00 - [19] Guys - prove me wrong... feel free .... go find a slot in any region that a 3 week old non-combat char could get to. Tell me how it would be an argument to call them now and say GUYS GUYS GUESS WHAT!!!!! THE FUN IS BACK!!!! ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS GO AND SIT AT THIS STATION FOR 9 DAYS AND HOPE YOUR FINGERS ARE FASTEST!!! Don't think it will bring em back somehow.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.07.13 14:29:00 - [20] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 13/07/2006 14:28:57 Originally by: Hamnd Dark you are just being argumentative. There is never ever a lack of something to shoot at. You know it!! Be it players, belt rats, agent missions, complexes, etc There's often a lack of something to shoot at which gives both good loot and is possible to take down with your current ship. Ask any pirate. Originally by: Hamnd Thats it though ... its as far as they have got! 3 weeks of watching autopilot and where has it got them. They are literally laughing at the game... I wonder why! Why? Because they're too closed-minded to consider alternate methods? How about putting some BPOs into a 4 day slot and then during those four days using BPCs to build? --Proud member of the [23]-- -WTS Nanotransistors, Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II-
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.07.13 14:30:00 - [21] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 13/07/2006 14:30:34 Originally by: Hamnd Tell me how it would be an argument to call them now and say GUYS GUYS GUESS WHAT!!!!! THE FUN IS BACK!!!! ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS GO AND SIT AT THIS STATION FOR 9 DAYS AND HOPE YOUR FINGERS ARE FASTEST!!! Um dude... you can queue your jobs... you don't have to wait until the slot is open And in the meantime, build with BPCs. You can find them on escrow for extremely low prices. --Proud member of the [23]-- -WTS Nanotransistors, Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II-
Jobie Thickburger	Posted - 2006.07.13 14:30:00 - [22] I suppose your talking about ME slots here, as I've seen PE and Copy slots open all thet time in Domain. Research isn't a viable way to make money in eve. Its a good way to increase profits, but not to make them. Their mistake wasn't not being able to research anything, It was taking on researching BPOs after 3 weeks into the game. Any BPO that these players should be able to afford won't get much benefit out of Research (what, you'll cut 100isk off of the cost to build a 1nm afterburner?). Shoot, the only value in a BPO is for Mass, Mass, MASS production, I personally own a number of ammo/frig/weapon bpos, but when I need Mods and such, I can normally find a well researhed, lotta run, BPC on Escrow. The best way to move up the researhcer/industrialist chain would be to focus on mining, and manufacturing using Well researched BPCs off of Escrow. You can normally find Large gun BPCs there, for a large number of runs, and well researched, for under 1mil. (the one I have has 200 runs, Maxed researched, and the gun itself sells for 1mil/ea). You will have to stick with a method like this for quite a while, untill you have the extra funds to begin buying more important BPOs, such as Cruisers/BCs/BSs/Nice ship Mods/ETC..., By the time you can afford this, you/your corp should be able to construct a small POS for researching out of. There's no real money to be made in Copying BPCs, Mabey in researching them and reselling them, dunno, haven't tried it. Most BPCs I would think are made by people while the actual construction is going on from another copy. (IE, You make 5 run for self, then start it on making 5 runs while you build the other ships) Anyhow, Sorry to the OP that yall didn't enjoy your experiance in Eve. Best of luck elsewhere I suppose. CEO - MGTTG
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.07.13 14:30:00 - [23] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 13/07/2006 14:30:56 ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Avon	Posted - 2006.07.13 14:30:00 - [24] Originally by: Smagd Originally by: Avon Interesting. My alt put 2 jobs on yesterday with no wait. I think you may be overstating the problem, or understating your efforts. But was that in Empire, like the OP was looking for? In Empire, yes. In high-sec, ultra crowded, high demand, Empire, no. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Freyer	Posted - 2006.07.13 14:31:00 - [25] I do hate to point this out for you, but you can stack jobs with researching! Which mans you put it on and it get started as SOON as the last one is done. Tell me IÆm pretty
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2006.07.13 14:31:00 - [26] Originally by: Hamnd Thats it though ... its as far as they have got! 3 weeks of watching autopilot and where has it got them. They are literally laughing at the game... I wonder why! Babbling buffoons MOOCIFER Emerald/Alpha Oldtimer
Avon	Posted - 2006.07.13 14:31:00 - [27] Originally by: Hamnd ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS GO AND SIT AT THIS STATION FOR 9 DAYS AND HOPE YOUR FINGERS ARE FASTEST!!! Um, you know how slots work, right? The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.07.13 14:31:00 - [28] Originally by: Smagd Originally by: Avon Interesting. My alt put 2 jobs on yesterday with no wait. I think you may be overstating the problem, or understating your efforts. But was that in Empire, like the OP was looking for? There are actually plenty of slots in 0.0 and in low secs. Oh well, heard this phrase from someone a long time ago, "no guts, no glory". ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.07.13 14:33:00 - [29] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Hamnd ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS GO AND SIT AT THIS STATION FOR 9 DAYS AND HOPE YOUR FINGERS ARE FASTEST!!! Um, you know how slots work, right? Apparently not. --Proud member of the [23]-- -WTS Nanotransistors, Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II-
Tharrn	Posted - 2006.07.13 14:33:00 - [30] I have just checked Domain and there were plenty with queues of less than ten days. In one region. Now recruiting!

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