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Sarkos	Posted - 2003.10.03 04:36:00 - [1] The Curse Alliance Declaration We of the separate and diversified corporations within the Curse Region, do hereby rectify and legitimize this document creating on this day the Curse Alliance. Comprised of many varied backgrounds and purposes, we bond ourselves together with this agreement to work for the betterment of the Curse Alliance in providing a more secure place of residence where all members are treated equally. Members corps will alter their corporation descriptions to indicate they are a proud member of the newly formed Curse Alliance. Curse Alliance Governing Body The Curse Alliance is governed by a council of CEO's in all member corporations. This Council sets all rules and ratifies any new policies. Curse Alliance Statement of Policy 1) As long as a state of war exists between the Stain Alliance and the Fountain Alliance against the people of the Curse Alliance, the Curse Region will be closed to non members, as a measure of safety for the innocents. 2) Once a time of peace exists, the Curse Region will be open to any individual or corporation with sponsorship by a member corporation of the Curse Alliance. 3) The Curse Alliance does not plan on extending it's control over any pre-controlled sections of space, with the sole exception of any that have targeted us for attacks. 4) No member of the Curse Alliance shall endeavour to engage in the practices of piracy as defined by 'griefing'. This is defined as extortion of money, camping any spot for the definite purpose of destroying or attacking any vessel for no other reason than monetary or sheer mischief gains. Upon proven culpability of such piracy, the responsible parties shall be subject to SEVERE punishment and/or expulsion from the Curse Alliance. Furthermore, reparations for damages may be provided. 5) All members of the Curse Alliance shall treat any other member with due respect. Combat between members is forbidden and any grievance shall be brought before the Council for a decision. 6) Currently, the Curse Alliance is closed for membership. Once the war has ended and the region stabilized, memberships can be submitted for a vote before the Council. Roster of alliance corporations will be forthcoming. For clarifications see:Reference Proud member of the Curse Alliance Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
Draximus Prime	Posted - 2003.10.03 07:39:00 - [2] There is just a minor problem with your peaceful intentions. Harbouring wanted criminals/pirate corporations who suddenly decide to be repent (at least until they have enough money to pirate again) does not give people a reason to believe a word you say. The victims of the pirate corporations (whom are now your bosom buddies apparantly) are not going to forget about it, and believe they will reform. Its pretty naive of you to think this. Until the victims get some sort of "payback" be that physical or monetary I dont think they will trust your alliance as far as they can spit a mouthful of Quafe (and what a waste that would be) As far as I know Oracle is/was a respectable corporation, but now you lay with terrorist and pirates in your new home.. you surely have gone down in many peoples viewpoints. Do the right thing and expell the pirate menace from your new home, and the SA would have no reason to destroy you. Now lets all hold hands and pass the peace pipe... ______________________ To dare in fields is valor; but how few dare to be throughly valiant to be true?
Leellu Multipass	Posted - 2003.10.03 08:01:00 - [3] Quote: Do the right thing and expell the pirate menace from your new home, and the SA would have no reason to destroy you. SA or some members of SA have always been looking for a reason to destroy, and kill people. Since the day one. In my veiw SA is no different than any other pirate corporation. So STFU.
Xenovetica	Posted - 2003.10.03 08:09:00 - [4] The humor here lies in the fact that the victims of the corporations included in the alliance now have even less of a miniscule chance of getting any sort've retribution that they've seen in their wet dreams. The effected should swallow their pride and consider themselves lucky that obvious members of this alliance are no longer pirating due to their involvement.
Xeris	Posted - 2003.10.03 08:10:00 - [5] I think the Stain Alliance has learned that we arn't going anywhere. Too lazy to get my sig changed
The Reclaimer	Posted - 2003.10.03 09:46:00 - [6] Quote: There is just a minor problem with your peaceful intentions. Harbouring wanted criminals/pirate corporations who suddenly decide to be repent (at least until they have enough money to pirate again) does not give people a reason to believe a word you say. The victims of the pirate corporations (whom are now your bosom buddies apparantly) are not going to forget about it, and believe they will reform. Its pretty naive of you to think this. Until the victims get some sort of "payback" be that physical or monetary I dont think they will trust your alliance as far as they can spit a mouthful of Quafe (and what a waste that would be) As far as I know Oracle is/was a respectable corporation, but now you lay with terrorist and pirates in your new home.. you surely have gone down in many peoples viewpoints. Do the right thing and expell the pirate menace from your new home, and the SA would have no reason to destroy you. Now lets all hold hands and pass the peace pipe... I don't see why our people cannot be afforded the same chance to change as fellow Stain Alliance members. I shall once again name two know pirate who operate under the Stain Alliance flag. Again sir I ask why is that it is ok for you to harbor "pirates"? I keep asking and the best I get is that usual dribble. It is straight-up hypocracy I will not stand for it. A civil discourse between any Stain member regarding this would be appreciated. As I understand it 1manarmy was mass, became pirate, quit Eve, came back is now not a pirate. Well, he killed a few of my friends in Eve. Am I due retribution? Well, I request repayment for all losses as Stain is harboring him and Zen0. I mean seriously where does it end? All this is is a John Ashcroft style label maker that is a sorry attempt to gain influence (or downright control) in Curse.
Ganja	Posted - 2003.10.03 10:18:00 - [7] Edited by: Ganja on 03/10/2003 10:20:58 Quote: Harbouring wanted criminals/pirate corporations who suddenly decide to be repent (at least until they have enough money to pirate again) does not give people a reason to believe a word you say. Those who are wanted, us, Sinister, are not poor. Majority of us have money ranging in the 300-600m in their wallet. I alone range over 1b. My point is: If we wanted to pirate again we could have easily never have stopped in the beginning. Theres not that much point in pirating, well.. IMO, just pvp'ing like we use to while FA/SA can just build up fleets and reimburse within an hour of destruction. No, we aren't going "good" for a short time, just so we can build up a stockpile of minerals.. whats the point? You run out at sometime or another. :) So the old saying goes, think before you spe.. er.. type?
TIvian	Posted - 2003.10.03 10:42:00 - [8] Quote: There is just a minor problem with your peaceful intentions. Harbouring wanted criminals/pirate corporations who suddenly decide to be repent (at least until they have enough money to pirate again) does not give people a reason to believe a word you say. The victims of the pirate corporations (whom are now your bosom buddies apparantly) are not going to forget about it, and believe they will reform. Its pretty naive of you to think this. Until the victims get some sort of "payback" be that physical or monetary I dont think they will trust your alliance as far as they can spit a mouthful of Quafe (and what a waste that would be) As far as I know Oracle is/was a respectable corporation, but now you lay with terrorist and pirates in your new home.. you surely have gone down in many peoples viewpoints. Do the right thing and expell the pirate menace from your new home, and the SA would have no reason to destroy you. Now lets all hold hands and pass the peace pipe... STFU!!! SA has NEVER cared about Pirates. they have killed peacful people just exploring SA territory. and never given an excuse. see your pod later (\_/) (O.o) (> <) Teh Uber Asheron's Call Bunny Booty WTFPWNZ you!!
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2003.10.03 10:58:00 - [9] Stain has been attacking the 'integrity' of corporations allied with us for a while now. This is mostly due to their failure to achieve victories against us in Curse. Hell, they had to call in Fountain to help them against what? 4-5 corps? Sad. Fountain and Stain 'harbor' many 'former' (I use the term loosely because I feel the way Stain/Fountain run their regions is not a far cry from piracy) pirates yet they go on some ridiculous rant about how SINC must be stopped. Truth is, Stain is bored. They need someone to fight, that happens to be us. Obviously, Stain wants an easier fight (all 20 of their corps vs SINC), so they try to split up our alliance with their spin doctoring and bullsh!t stories but the truth is the losers (aka Curse Coalition) already left and their forces are quite impotent and a non factor and the Curse Alliance is still very strong and not going anywhere. Anyways, I have no problem with fighting Stain or FOuntain, as I have no love for either. I however, really dislike the bullsh!t thrown our way constantly. You guys are bored, you have no one else to fight, so you gang up on us. That's fine, bring it, but atleast be honest about it. We welcome PvP, we'd leave this game in a heartbeat without it. Don't think you can pull a TTI on us or even a divide and conquer ploy on us because quite frankly, we aren't Venal. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Draximus Prime	Posted - 2003.10.03 11:00:00 - [10] SA care about having clear access to and from Stain, without pirates blockading the choke points there. Mmkay? ______________________ To dare in fields is valor; but how few dare to be throughly valiant to be true?
Draximus Prime	Posted - 2003.10.03 11:02:00 - [11] Quote: Truth is, Stain is bored. They need someone to fight, that happens to be us. Hmm.. how long has the SA been in Stain?? Hmm.. how long have you guys been in Curse?? Hmm.. seems like YOU need someone to fight. ______________________ To dare in fields is valor; but how few dare to be throughly valiant to be true?
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2003.10.03 11:10:00 - [12] Edited by: Jim Raynor on 03/10/2003 11:15:56 Quote: Quote: Truth is, Stain is bored. They need someone to fight, that happens to be us. Hmm.. how long has the SA been in Stain?? Hmm.. how long have you guys been in Curse?? Hmm.. seems like YOU need someone to fight. Actually, Stain began attacking us in FD-MLJ quite regularly. I asked them why they would bring 10-15 battleships to FD-MLJ and I was told by them 'we're bored'. So please, spin elsewhere, you have no facts. And FYI our negative security status made it impossible for us to attack Stain without a 3-4 around the world trip there. So obviously we were no threat to Stain, as we had no means to even GET there. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Draximus Prime	Posted - 2003.10.03 11:15:00 - [13] So why did you goto Curse, at the foot of SA territory. You cry like you are an innocent victim, when everyone knows you kill innocents for fun. Nobody believes your lies, so why bother spinning them. ______________________ To dare in fields is valor; but how few dare to be throughly valiant to be true?
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2003.10.03 11:27:00 - [14] Quote: So why did you goto Curse, at the foot of SA territory. Because Curse is the home of SINC since day 1 of Eve. We have over 15 corporate offices in Curse, we originated in Curse. It only made sense for us to be in Curse if we were to form an alliance, many of the corporations we are allied with in Curse now are either very very old allies or very very old enemies. Quote: You cry like you are an innocent victim, when everyone knows you kill innocents for fun. Oh, we aren't victims, I never claimed to be a victim. I was a pirate, and a damn good one. I'm sure there's plenty of hate for me in this game for that but it's okay, because I enjoyed being a pirate and I don't regret it, it was fun. As I said, I enjoy PvP, and I surely do not mind the fact Stain wants to fight us. I want to fight Stain. I don't like the fact Stain tries to undermine our alliance and isolate us so they can swarm us with their 20 corporations and claim some sort of victory. If Stain wants to fight Curse, then fight Curse. There's no need for mud slinging and bullsh!t. You want a peice of us? Come and get us, simple as that. Quote: Nobody believes your lies, so why bother spinning them. I'm a pretty honest guy actually. Where have I been untruthful? ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Draximus Prime	Posted - 2003.10.03 11:36:00 - [15] When you say you were a pirate. ______________________ To dare in fields is valor; but how few dare to be throughly valiant to be true?
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2003.10.03 11:39:00 - [16] Quote: When you say you were a pirate. When I say I was a pirate? Huh? ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Seer	Posted - 2003.10.03 11:50:00 - [17] I respect the right of any one to change - welcome are SIN. Unwelcome are Stain until they learn or lose ---------------------------------------------------
Merjan	Posted - 2003.10.03 12:11:00 - [18] Reclaimer what are you dumb F... or something? 1manarmy was MASS, then pirate, then quite and now come back. To rejoin corp he had to delete his character and start over. You can check it out by excersising Seacrh oprion from places and people. His new status is 0.0 And its not new alt either as two characters with same name can not exist. Now thats price to pay by dumb spokesman for CA. And think about it some more before posting replay. There are few pirate organization that operate under umbrella of CA. If you and them want to reform i suggest they delete their characters, remake them and use same name so taht we are assured they did delete pirate characters. If they are truly reformed they want mind starting over as they won't lose any industry, scinece or or some of the other releted skills. Only this time they might to chose what race battleship they want to fly as this time as reformed people they will have to specialize in productive area of the game and not only on pilot and gunnery skills (and what a poor implementation in game as i hear Sinister have pilots in stations not because they are afraid to get out but becasue they got nothing to fly and they don't like mining). Furtermore Jimmy and few others that don't fly that often anymore but have taked active role in whining on these post are very welcomed to start over and i will be glad to see that 0.0 status next to thier names again. So in closing Reclaimer you see what you have done. You opened Pandora's Box and let all evil loose. How? Well for one thing i doubt your sinister, RC, m0o, RUS and other guys will start over (you pulled in 1manarmy yourself and not me) and without that all you did here is **** against the wind. Now go home and dry yourself up and please don't post any more BS (not to be confused with battleship). In reply to guy from Oracle how come your CA guy still pirate and attack everyone in Catch. It contradicts your claim that they are not pirating anymore (they are not really anyway they are rather engaged in PKing) and that you don't want to extend into different regions.
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2003.10.03 12:22:00 - [19] Edited by: Jim Raynor on 03/10/2003 12:25:14 Quote: 1manarmy was MASS, then pirate, then quite and now come back. To rejoin corp he had to delete his character and start over. 1manarmy deleted his character because he was fed up with Eve. No one forced him to delete anything. He told me so, ask him for yourself before making sh!t up ok? Quote: There are few pirate organization that operate under umbrella of CA. Who? SINC? We don't pirate, ask the people who have visited Curse. More often than not they are destroyed by Stain forces or Curse Coalition forces, we just ask them to leave and inform them Curse is a war zone. Quote: If you and them want to reform i suggest they delete their characters, remake them and use same name so taht we are assured they did delete pirate characters. You're hilarious, really. I think Xen0 should delete his character, ok? Quote: If they are truly reformed they want mind starting over as they won't lose any industry, scinece or or some of the other releted skills. You're a comedian, really. Quote: Only this time they might to chose what race battleship they want to fly as this time as reformed people they will have to specialize in productive area of the game and not only on pilot and gunnery skills (and what a poor implementation in game as i hear Sinister have pilots in stations not because they are afraid to get out but becasue they got nothing to fly and they don't like mining). Too funny, yes. Let's all start over and lose 4 million skill points. Quote: Furtermore Jimmy and few others that don't fly that often anymore but have taked active role in whining on these post are very welcomed to start over and i will be glad to see that 0.0 status next to thier names again. I play daily.. Quote: In reply to guy from Oracle how come your CA guy still pirate and attack everyone in Catch. Proof please? Quote: It contradicts your claim that they are not pirating anymore (they are not really anyway they are rather engaged in PKing) and that you don't want to extend into different regions. Please, one shred of evidence is all I'm asking for. Certainly you have proof, right? ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Nirvy	Posted - 2003.10.03 12:49:00 - [20] Edited by: Nirvy on 03/10/2003 14:14:56 Quote: In reply to guy from Oracle how come your CA guy still pirate and attack everyone in Catch. It contradicts your claim that they are not pirating anymore (they are not really anyway they are rather engaged in PKing) and that you don't want to extend into different regions. Wow, SA declareed war on us, Are we expected to not retaliate? We didnt want this war, but now its on us, we aren't going to just sit back. Mercenary \| The Azath
Raith	Posted - 2003.10.03 13:09:00 - [21] Our Corp has been living in Curse for 3 months now in peace. We applied for membership to the CA and recieved no notification back or the decision - We have always been in backing of the CA and never been threatened by them when at gates etc so we have simply given members our best will and done anything we can to help them if it was needed. Although our corp is small there is nearly always someone online which is always going to provide valid useful information on the goings on inside EVE. I feel that its a slight bit unfair that we now can't feel safe in our own backyard because we're not members of the CA when all we have is feelings of respect for them as they are our neighbours. ________________________________________________________
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2003.10.03 13:12:00 - [22] Quote: Our Corp has been living in Curse for 3 months now in peace. We applied for membership to the CA and recieved no notification back or the decision - We have always been in backing of the CA and never been threatened by them when at gates etc so we have simply given members our best will and done anything we can to help them if it was needed. Although our corp is small there is nearly always someone online which is always going to provide valid useful information on the goings on inside EVE. I feel that its a slight bit unfair that we now can't feel safe in our own backyard because we're not members of the CA when all we have is feelings of respect for them as they are our neighbours. Talk to Leyla or Wolverina ok? You might have just gotten lost in the shuffle as Curse has been rather unstable until recently. Now would be a good time. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Asmodia	Posted - 2003.10.03 13:22:00 - [23] Quote: So why did you goto Curse, at the foot of SA territory. You cry like you are an innocent victim, when everyone knows you kill innocents for fun. Nobody believes your lies, so why bother spinning them. Sorry, i have no problems to believe what Sinster Corp says. Other corps like M3G4 are doing a change too. A look on the KOS of the SA would help to open your eyes. I think i am on it. why ? my former corp spoke with one of the SA maybe to join them. we started a small excusion to there. The guy was offline we got attacked by 'The Collective'. Attacked without asking or anything else. I dont want to start a list of all 'criminals' on this list but SA attacks everyone in Stain all other regions they have time to fly there. I dont want to say, Sinister is a'better' corp then SA but i can not see the diffences between their behavior. the only diffences are in the agumentations for killing ppl. ------------------------------------------------ CEO of Spectre Syndicate - Curse Alliance ------------------------------------------------
Raith	Posted - 2003.10.03 13:31:00 - [24] Thanks Jim, I have just mailed Wolverina. Hopefully something can be sorted out as we don't or ever had anything to represent us as a bad egg towards CA ________________________________________________________
Sarkos	Posted - 2003.10.03 13:58:00 - [25] In the past, Oracle has lost ships to Sinister, as has a lot of people. EVE encourages this, as many who saw that one trailer knows. Pirates add spice to a game, and help to add content. With time though, many people look at what they are doing and seek a change. Sinister is one such group. Since joining us, in Curse, I find myself able to lose my grudge as I witness first hand the cooperation and dedication to the Curse Alliance by their members. They are at every batle against incoming Stain ships, they organize alliance mining operations, help many learn PvP skills, and have given 110% in any alliance function. Seeing all of this, I have buried my grudge in the past, where it belongs. I am now glad and proud to have any of their members fly alongside of me in any operation. My respect for Sinister, their people and who they have now become has grown immensely. Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
Xeris	Posted - 2003.10.03 20:20:00 - [26] Quote: SA care about having clear access to and from Stain, without pirates blockading the choke points there. Mmkay? CA care about having clear access to and from Curse, without pirates blockading the choke points there in HED. Mmkay? Too lazy to get my sig changed
TIvian	Posted - 2003.10.03 21:40:00 - [27] Edited by: TIvian on 03/10/2003 21:43:04 Edited by: TIvian on 03/10/2003 21:40:22 Again I Fart in the general direction of Stain!!! YOU TELL LIES!! when I say SA has never cared about Pirates....I know from personal experience. Before joining the CA I was making excursions in and out of The Catch region from Faspera....and there where ALWAYS pirates at SA's front door. SA NEVER did anything to eliminate them. And I know why. because while I made excursions into SA no one ever tried to stop me. except the pirates at your front door......hmmmm I think its obvious that these "lone" pirates served SA well? and again I say you never did anything to stop them. PS Stain....The Hushz still own The Catch Region stay out of it. all your corps are KOS. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) Teh Uber Asheron's Call Bunny Booty WTFPWNZ you!!
Rxaom	Posted - 2003.10.03 22:18:00 - [28] Wow, all you chumps take yourselves very seriously. Most pirates are gang bangers who hide behind Battle ships, and numbers. I do find it funny that PKers claim to like PVP, and welcome a fight, when in reality they just want to attack people that have no chance of survival. The best part is most of the larger pirate corps think they have "1337 skillz." Now its time for the children to flame.
TIvian	Posted - 2003.10.03 23:24:00 - [29] Quote: Wow, all you chumps take yourselves very seriously. Most pirates are gang bangers who hide behind Battle ships, and numbers. I do find it funny that PKers claim to like PVP, and welcome a fight, when in reality they just want to attack people that have no chance of survival. The best part is most of the larger pirate corps think they have "1337 skillz." Now its time for the children to flame. Go home and suck your thumb Noob. you have no idea what the hell your talking about. I am nor have I ever been a pirate. and I have never podded anyone. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) Teh Uber Asheron's Call Bunny Booty WTFPWNZ you!!
Merjan	Posted - 2003.10.04 00:03:00 - [30] Tivian its not true that SA is not doing nothing about pirate blockades at the gate of Stain. They are fighting Sinister, RUS and m0o all proud members of CA.

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