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Mikesnail
mUfFiN fAcToRy
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.07.14 20:07:00 -
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I have some serious concerns about concord. And th'e would like to share them and hear ye views also.
Currently concord is a single ruling entity that all states answer to. This opens up all kind of questions as t' the integrity of their management. Corruption could very easily be taking on a large part of the system, and we would never know.
For this reason, i belive states should stand up and force the disbanding of concord.
Instead of concord, each state should use their own navies to police their space. Each state would then have control over whether a war is justified to take place in their space. This would allow small corperations that are harrassed by larger combatant corps to take safe haven in different states.
Ultimately i believe a pilot should have a security status for each state, this is however the most frowned upon suggestion, but a suggestion all the same.
Also, i believe concord's methods of justification are also somewhat out of date. I believe an outlaw should be from -2 or worse. Far to many pirates get away with a great deal because of the current concord setup.
I would be very interested to hear your views on concord, and i can only hope that concord does not sensor this.
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Leon 026
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.14 21:16:00 -
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Edited by: Leon 026 on 14/07/2006 21:16:40
CONCORD is not a dictatorship, however, they do breach State sovereignty on a regular basis.
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Eris Davion
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Posted - 2006.07.14 21:38:00 -
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 Originally by: Mikesnail
I have some serious concerns about concord. And th'e would like to share them and hear ye views also.
Currently concord is a single ruling entity that all states answer to.
Except that Concord doesn't make the rules, as a true 'ruling entity' would; it is simply tasked with enforcing them according to the terms under which it was (jointly) founded.
I'm not sure what methods exist to ensure that it remains accountable and appropriately transparent in it's methods and policies, and I'm sure that much could be done in those areas. But I still think it's better to have an impartial organization beyond the four major 'empires,' than to have the state of total war that we were threatened with prior to it's formation.
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Elrianmk2
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.14 21:44:00 -
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The states, all have thier own navies in order to deal with local incidents. Putting concord under the control of the member states, would in essance merely be increasing the navel pressence of the various states. These assets would then be used according to each states goals rather than the general goals that concord currently works to. I know that you and many other's who have low standings would love to be able to come shopping in high sec again, but you see here is the thing. You decided on a course of action. Dont try and change a system that works and works as it is supposed to cause you cant get to do the things you want. One thing i would like to see though is more proactive actions on the part of the various members states navies in protecting thier citzens from those who would inflict harm on them.
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Hulemand
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.17 13:42:00 -
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I aggree with Mr. Mikesnail on this. CONCORD - and the customs officers - is the very reason why I left empire. Trying to be a humble businessman just minding my own, I got stopped at almost every damn stargate by these CONCORD bastards, accused for doing this and doing that. Even one time a very impudent CONCORD officer clearly dropped some contrabands - some bluepills he called it. He told me to pay him 5 million right away or he would shot down my ship and get me arrested, what gives, typical CONCORD bastards thinking they own the entire galaxy.
I say dissolve CONCORD and leave it to the local navy units to keep control of their space!
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.17 13:48:00 -
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Ultimately i believe a pilot should have a security status for each state, this is however the most frowned upon suggestion, but a suggestion all the same.
This is an idea I personally find very interesting.
However, the major problem here is that it would not only give more power to the local states, but it would also allow pirates to escape law very simply by changing hunting grounds when it starts to get too hot in one place. How do you plan to respond to that problem?
I also agree on the security status system being out of date. I'd start from something like shooting at people of negative security status lower than your own not causing security status hits to correct that one. I think that system would have kept most of our pirate hunters from gaining their current troubles with the law.
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Nautark Mniachei
Ubiqua Seraph
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2006.07.17 15:18:00 -
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Pirate Coalition? And you're saying you have some serious concerns with Concord, yes?
Most interesting.
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Za Po
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 15:51:00 -
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How would national law enforcement create less corruption? It would be quite the opposite.
If we left the job to national armies, it would get even uglier than it is now as politics get into the mix. Minmatars would get -10 in Amarr at first offense, while CalNav-friendly pilots would be let off with a fine after popping Gallenteans for fun in State space. The end result would be a drastic reduction of free exchange of goods and ideas among the empires, with a net loss for everyone. And let's not mention how handy it would be for certain types - move abroad, start a new life, leave the thousands you murdered behind, and be protected by your new home's Navy.
Of course, as a member of a "Pirate Coalition", I shouldn't be surprised that you'd propose a system that would make illegality much easier, while trying to present it as an improvement. 
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Arron S
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:18:00 -
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Edited by: Arron S on 17/07/2006 17:22:34
Edited by: Arron S on 17/07/2006 17:20:38
Edited by: Arron S on 17/07/2006 17:19:22
I support CONCORD and their actions. They are whats going to bring Order to Chaos what ever the cost is. I future of peace is more better then a future of war.. Which most of you seem to all want. If your sovereignty threatens the peace, you do NOT deserve to have it. I would rather see the EVE under control of CONCORD then to see another Caldari Prime Happen.
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Mahavy Seth
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.18 22:04:00 -
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Have you all ever noticed that peoples that rise these problems and ask to disband "police" and disrupt "rules" are always minmatars?
May be their freedom mean: freedom to kill and massacrate...
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Sidyous
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.18 22:19:00 -
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Actually I find that Concord regularly interfere with Amarrian business and are more likely to help a bunch of terrorists than a well organised group of law abiding Amarrian citizens.
Perhaps they fear us.
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Dutarro
Kydance Radiant Industries
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Posted - 2006.07.18 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: Dutarro on 18/07/2006 23:00:43
Isn't it obvious that CONCORD is a puppet of the Jove Empire? We are all, in reality, living in Jove-controlled space, patrolled by the all-powerful CONCORD fleet on their behalf. And no, I am not just talking about "safe" empire space.
The security status system and CONCORD rules of engagement are not meant to protect the innocent, they are a tool by which the Jovians can conduct unethical experiments into the nature of human behavior. Most interesting of all to the Jovians is violence, especially non-consensual violence, thus we have the 0.0 security rating assigned to vast regions of space. It's not that CONCORD is unable to project power into those regions -- they operate the stargates there for goodness sake! The real reason 0.0 space exists is as a laboratory for the Jovians to study the cruelty of human beings toward our own kind.
So yes, let us throw off the shackles of CONCORD and the Jove Empire! Place security policy in the hands of our own empires and their capsuleer communities, where it belongs.
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Murukan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.18 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Dutarro
Edited by: Dutarro on 18/07/2006 23:00:43
Isn't it obvious that CONCORD is a puppet of the Jove Empire? We are all, in reality, living in Jove-controlled space, patrolled by the all-powerful CONCORD fleet on their behalf. And no, I am not just talking about "safe" empire space.
The security status system and CONCORD rules of engagement are not meant to protect the innocent, they are a tool by which the Jovians can conduct unethical experiments into the nature of human behavior. Most interesting of all to the Jovians is violence, especially non-consensual violence, thus we have the 0.0 security rating assigned to vast regions of space. It's not that CONCORD is unable to project power into those regions -- they operate the stargates there for goodness sake! The real reason 0.0 space exists is as a laboratory for the Jovians to study the cruelty of human beings toward our own kind.
So yes, let us throw off the shackles of CONCORD and the Jove Empire! Place security policy in the hands of our own empires and their capsuleer communities, where it belongs.
How much drop are you on?
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Chinger
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 00:00:00 -
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Concord was created in order to bring peace between the 4 races. Lowering Concords power means the empires must compensate, and with too much power in the hands of the empires, all it would take would be a few war mongers to set off a conflict. An Amarr invasion of the Minmatar Republic? A crusade led by the Caldari State to retake Caldari Prime? In my opinion, Concord as it is now isnt too bad.
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Tsual
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.19 20:09:00 -
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Talking about this under the watchfull eyes of CRC - that are a part of Concord mind you - achieves exactly what?
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Eldo Davip
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Posted - 2006.07.19 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Tsual
Talking about this under the watchfull eyes of CRC - that are a part of Concord mind you - achieves exactly what?
Ah, I was about to raise this point.
Talking about Concord under our eyes! Hope you are aware Concord enforces Galnet as well. 
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andoni cane
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Posted - 2006.07.20 02:14:00 -
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i agree it is a super orginization that could destroy all the nations if they do not get their long range communications taxes. they sit there is their ships and watch over us like gods. they will kill all of us if they could profit from it. we should destroy concord before they destroy us.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.20 08:44:00 -
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Talking about Concord under our eyes! Hope you are aware Concord enforces Galnet as well.
So far, in my experience, CONCORD has allowed discussion and criticism, and even heard some (though arguably not enough) of it. The ability to without fear of retaliation discuss problems in front of those whose problems they are is usually considered a good sign...;)
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Mike Yagon
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.20 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Murukan
Originally by: Dutarro
Edited by: Dutarro on 18/07/2006 23:00:43
Isn't it obvious that CONCORD is a puppet of the Jove Empire? We are all, in reality, living in Jove-controlled space, patrolled by the all-powerful CONCORD fleet on their behalf. And no, I am not just talking about "safe" empire space.
The security status system and CONCORD rules of engagement are not meant to protect the innocent, they are a tool by which the Jovians can conduct unethical experiments into the nature of human behavior. Most interesting of all to the Jovians is violence, especially non-consensual violence, thus we have the 0.0 security rating assigned to vast regions of space. It's not that CONCORD is unable to project power into those regions -- they operate the stargates there for goodness sake! The real reason 0.0 space exists is as a laboratory for the Jovians to study the cruelty of human beings toward our own kind.
So yes, let us throw off the shackles of CONCORD and the Jove Empire! Place security policy in the hands of our own empires and their capsuleer communities, where it belongs.
How much drop are you on?
He's Amarr, I bet they're just looking to blame the Jove on everything since they got beaten at Vak'Atioth. 
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.07.20 16:53:00 -
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CONCORD dies the day the empires stop feeding them the ISK they need.
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Dutarro
Kydance Radiant Industries
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Posted - 2006.07.22 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Mike Yagon
Originally by: Dutarro
Isn't it obvious that CONCORD is a puppet of the Jove Empire? ...
He's Amarr, I bet they're just looking to blame the Jove on everything since they got beaten at Vak'Atioth.
On the contrary, the Jove-CONCORD tie is supported by real evidence, not just bitterness over the military debacle to which you refer.
You may have noticed that a certain notorious pilot is now employed by DED ... if you know to whom I refer, this so-called 'conspiracy theory' should seem much more plausible
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.22 21:48:00 -
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For those of us who don't care and shoot any Concord employee who strays across our gunsights, who is this guy?
Concord are targets. They're not corrupt; they're just a big fat bullseye to lure the pirate hate away from the Empires.
You're all blind to the true nemesis in our galaxy: The Empire.
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Mitsurugii
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.25 14:39:00 -
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Disbanding concord and giving power to faction navies? Obviously the increased funding going into navies,and not concord, would create massively larger fleets, how many states can honestly say this "Law enforcement squadron"in their navies would not be tempting to rapidly deploy into a combat navy "if the need arose", this course of action would certainly escalate the threat of massive invasion fleets, and probably speed up the long threatened final war. A tad apocalyptic maybe, and who`s to say concord would`nt go quietly, and maybe even become a new faction themselves?
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