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Vaugue
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Posted - 2006.07.15 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: Vaugue on 15/07/2006 16:03:56
I am having a problem with jump clones and it's not making any sense. I was in a starter NPC corp for the last 6 months. I was a mission runner for the caldari navy for almost a year. My current standing to the caldari navy without connections is 9.67. I have the skills to have 2 jump clones.. 1 of which i installed in a Caldari Navy station in Sobaseki Lonetrek region. When i instaled this one i was in the caldari provisions corp
Now just 3 days ago i joined the [ISSN]. Today I go to instal a jump clone and the caldari navy says it doesn't like me.. SAY WHAT? So which standing allows the use of jump clones personal or corprate standings? Why was I able to instal them prior to joining [ISSN]? It says in the FAQ i need a +8 standing with the corp that owns the station.. well last i checked 9.67 was higher than 8...
*If* the answer turns out to be that both standings need to be 8 or higher well that's a bunch of crap because people can join a jump clone corp for money and get their jump clones with 0 standing.. so why does my personal 9.67 get me nothing just because i joined a corp with lower CN standing? The clone is for ME not my corp.
Any information would be nice thanks.
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Drunken Claptrap
Ganksters Paradise
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Posted - 2006.07.15 16:15:00 -
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It's Corp standing, and yes it does suck. Should be personal standing.
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Vaugue
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Posted - 2006.07.15 16:58:00 -
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Edited by: Vaugue on 15/07/2006 16:58:46
well like i said i was able to use jump clones before i joined ISSN and was in the noob corp. Personal standing should work.. and it obviouly did before i joined ISSN unless all noobs have access to jump clones with no effort, just because they are in an NPC corp? Being biast to me because i join a player corp isnt exactly fair... i mean come on 9.7 is almost perfect standing..
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Deja Thoris
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.07.15 17:33:00 -
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It's corp standing, not personal standing.
Go to one of the ISS stns and install a jumpclone, fly back to the station you want to leave a clone in and jump back to ISS. Voila, you have a clone where you want it.
Rinse and repeat.
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Vaugue
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Posted - 2006.07.15 19:38:00 -
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Edited by: Vaugue on 15/07/2006 19:43:10
still doesn't explain why i could instal a clone prior to joining ISS..
If you are a member of an npc corp your personal standing works. Like i said BEFORE i joined ISSN i could instal jump clones at any CN station with my 9.7 standing and being in an NPC Corp (Caldari Provisions).
If you are part of player corp personal standing means nothing and its based on corp standing. So because the other 200 members of the corp dont have high standing *I* suffer for this even though I have busted my ass for the navy and obviously have near perfect standing.
this looks like an unfair double standard to me...
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Mike Yagon
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.15 20:04:00 -
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There are more differences between the NPC corps and the player corps. For example, you can't wardec NPC corps, and NPC corps can't shoot at their fellow corpmembers without Concord attacking them.
Jump clones are apparently a team effort. It took me and my corp a while to get our own jumpclones. And now we have em we guard em valiantly from people joining with the incorrect standings. 
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Vaugue
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Posted - 2006.07.15 23:04:00 -
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Edited by: Vaugue on 15/07/2006 23:10:33
So i guess all noobs in Caldari Provisions can get jump clones without earning standing.... Still a bunch of bull**** that my personal status is useless and penalized because i joined a player corp.
People don't seem to be reading that i COULD install jump clones with my personal status prior to joining a player corp when i was in the npc corp.
So why should it be any different now that i joined a player corp??
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Vaugue
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Posted - 2006.07.15 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: Vaugue on 15/07/2006 23:09:44
ugh double sorry ...
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K'racker
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Posted - 2006.07.16 15:09:00 -
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have you checked the standing of CN toward Caldari Provisions? if it's 8.0 or better perhaps that's why you could install a JC then not due to your personal standing at all.
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CamMan
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.16 15:36:00 -
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 Originally by: Vaugue
Edited by: Vaugue on 15/07/2006 23:10:33
So i guess all noobs in Caldari Provisions can get jump clones without earning standing.... Still a bunch of bull**** that my personal status is useless and penalized because i joined a player corp.
People don't seem to be reading that i COULD install jump clones with my personal status prior to joining a player corp when i was in the npc corp.
So why should it be any different now that i joined a player corp??
I thought it was corporation standing and personal standing both need to be above 8.0.
And I am not sure but i imagine that the caldari noob corps would have perfect standings with caldari stations, so when your personal standing is above 8.0, you can go back to the caldari noob corp and put a jump clone in a caldari station.
It would be far easier for you to create a jump clone at an ISS station, fly out to the caldari station that you want a jump clone at, and then clone jump back to your ISS clone. That would leave a jump clone at the caldari station.
I am surprised ISSN didnt take 30 seconds to help you out and explain it.
Originally by: Bender
Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
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Vaugue
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Posted - 2006.07.17 15:59:00 -
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Edited by: Vaugue on 17/07/2006 16:00:09
Originally by: K'racker
have you checked the standing of CN toward Caldari Provisions? if it's 8.0 or better perhaps that's why you could install a JC then not due to your personal standing at all.
if this was the case then any noob from day 1 (with the skill at a meager lvl 1) could install jump clones... maybe this is worth a test..
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Chakademus
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.17 16:13:00 -
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wrong noobs cant do that.
Personal standing applies when you have no alliegance to corp (in an npc corp)
Basically if you have standing with a corp they like you they will let you keep a few clones laying around, if you join a corp that they've never heard of or who work for an opposing npc corp they get annoyed and dont let you install new clones. If you continue to work for them and your corp doesnt do stuff to annoy them you can get your corp standing up with out too many problems
Stop moaning leave your corp install a new jump clone and rejoin your corp, im sure they will understand. oh and i read somewhere that the standing has to be 8.0+ without connections skills to get jump clones.
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Cletus Graeme
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Posted - 2006.07.18 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: Cletus Graeme on 18/07/2006 12:41:51
I think u need 8.0 (natural/unmodified) personal & corp standing towards the corp that u want to install the JC at.
NPC corps usually already have this level of standing with other NPC corps in their faction.
E.g.
State War Academy or Caldari Provisions have 10.0 standing with Caldari Navy cos they are all NPC courses in the same faction (i.e on the same side)
So, if you are in SWA/CP & want to install a CN JC then u only need to get your personal standing to 8.0 or above as the corp standing is already high enuf.
In contrast, player corps have to *earn* a high standing with NPC corps. The player corp standing is the average of that of all its pilots so unless this is 8.0 or greater you will not be able to install jump clones.
This is why it makes sense to get a few jump clones BEFORE u leave your noob NPC corp. However if they do get destroyed u won't be able to re-install them again for the same reasons as above.
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Zakgram
Apocalyptic Raiders
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Posted - 2006.07.18 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Cletus Graeme
I think u need 8.0 (natural/unmodified) personal & corp standing towards the corp that u want to install the JC at.
Check.
Originally by: Cletus Graeme
In contrast, player corps have to *earn* a high standing with NPC corps. The player corp standing is the average of that of all its pilots so unless this is 8.0 or greater you will not be able to install jump clones.
Having got 8.5 standing with Peace and Order, I quit my corp and created my own. My personal standing remained at 8.5 but the corps was down at 3.6... with me being the only one in the corp. I've read elsewhere that it takes time to have the corp standings normalise but after a DT it hadn't changed, so I resigned my new corp, and immediately could create clones back in the NPC corp.
So - advice - get your standing high, quit your corp, create clone, rejoin. Don't waste your isk creating your own corp unless you intend to keep it for a while for some reason [i.e. not for jumping]
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Capo Ferro
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.07.19 03:07:00 -
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from what I've been told.. if you make your own corp, that corp takes on 1/2 your personal standings. so you can't just make your own and get JC's.
Originally by: Zakgram
Originally by: Cletus Graeme
I think u need 8.0 (natural/unmodified) personal & corp standing towards the corp that u want to install the JC at.
Check.
Originally by: Cletus Graeme
In contrast, player corps have to *earn* a high standing with NPC corps. The player corp standing is the average of that of all its pilots so unless this is 8.0 or greater you will not be able to install jump clones.
Having got 8.5 standing with Peace and Order, I quit my corp and created my own. My personal standing remained at 8.5 but the corps was down at 3.6... with me being the only one in the corp. I've read elsewhere that it takes time to have the corp standings normalise but after a DT it hadn't changed, so I resigned my new corp, and immediately could create clones back in the NPC corp.
So - advice - get your standing high, quit your corp, create clone, rejoin. Don't waste your isk creating your own corp unless you intend to keep it for a while for some reason [i.e. not for jumping]
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D Spectre
Empire Assault Corp
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Posted - 2006.07.21 00:53:00 -
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Ok, here's the deal. You need a Personal AND Corp standing of 8.0 in order to install jump clones. The skill Infomorph only matters if you already have this standing. Since ALL noob corps are just that, nood corps, they already have a standing of 8.0 or higher with all the other corps in Eve. Therefore, if you are in a noob corp, both Personal and Corp standings are high enough. If you join another Player Corp, then you don't have that standing anymore and can't create jump clones.
I got around this by leaving my corp, having Infomorph trained to 2 and I installed a Jump Clone in a CN station. This meant that I now had 2 seperate clones (the jump and the one I was in). I left the CN station in my current clone and parked it somewhere else. I then jumped the the jump clone in the CN station and created another one. This left me with three clones. I use one as a training clone (I have all of my +3 implants in it for times I'm away from the game and want to train skills) and I have a PVP clone that has no implants so, if I lose it, I fall back on my Contract Clone. The third is a spare in case I find something to do with it.
Since you always have to keep your Contract Clone up to date, I don't see the need for having any more than 1 or 2 extra jump clones unless you have yourself spread all over the universe. And really, you can only jump once every 24 hours.
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Isip
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Posted - 2006.07.21 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Cletus Graeme
However if they do get destroyed u won't be able to re-install them again for the same reasons as above.
Isn't the ONLY way for a jump clone to be destoryed if you destroy it yourself? So this is not likely to be an issue.
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