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Stelteck
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Posted - 2006.07.16 21:04:00 -
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using WW2online carrier base air force equipment to find ideas for new weapon, i think the current set of weapon in EVE lack a real anti-BS frigate weapon.
How about a sort of citadel torpedo *****ble on good frigate ?
Something with short range (10km, perhaps 5km). Causing terrible amount of damage on BS. (Like citadel torpedo. High damage, BS type explosion radius).
The launcher shall be one shot only. You have to reload after each fire.
Last, the amo must have a very high cargo size. For example, 100m3 each charge, in order not to allow a frigate to have more than 1/2 as reload.
You must not fit more than one on a frigate, so the grid and CPU consomption must be quite high.
A good idea may be to forbid the utilisation of this weapon by anything else than frigate T1 or T2.
We may also create a dedicated type of frigate ship that can use this weapon, such as heavy bomber.. something like that.
This weapon will have two big beneficial effects :
- First, it will make frigate far more active and dangerous during big fleet operation. Frigate will have the ability to strike and run. (Currently, they strike, orbit to scramble or disrupt and DIE..)
- Second, it will greatly enhance the role of the fleet support. Destroyers, anti frigates cruisers will then be an essential part of a big fleet. It will make fleet battle and especially long range fleet battle far more interesting.
Eve shall leave World war I combat style between huge line of long range sniper battle ship.
Time to enter World war II.
Stelteck.
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Cathandra
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Posted - 2006.07.16 22:23:00 -
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It's already way to easy for cheap-ass frigates to gang-bang battleships.
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Reggie Stoneloader
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Posted - 2006.07.17 03:50:00 -
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I don't like it. Too many rules.
What's the excuse for not letting cruisers carry two or three of these things? Why can't battleships have half a dozen of them? WHy are they so beefy? Heck, BS-class anti-BS missiles (torpedoes) aren't that powerful.
The idea's come up before, and it always sounds like an anti-battleship win button.
If you ask me, this is a free ticket to 1.0 suicide ganking. A Kestrel could carry three spare rounds for one of these things, and would get a bonus to damage, since it's a missile. Ten ships, each costing 300k, fully equipped, could wreck any hauler, transport ship or battleship anywhere in the galaxy. Heck, fifteen or twenty of these dang things could blow up a freighter before it warped away, and wouldn't even need to warp scramble it.
You could outlaw them in high-sec, or not let them target industrial ships, or forbid trial accounts from training for them, or require the pilot to get a special Concord license to use them, or... Or you could just not put them in the game.
Too many rules, not enough fun. If you want to kill a 100-million isk battleship with a 300k-isk ship, bring friends or a whole lot of T2 stuff and level 5 skills.
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Ellaine TashMurkon
Em Pack
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2006.07.17 09:28:00 -
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And there are bombers alreday.
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Strikeclone
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 11:24:00 -
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if they removed all the "make frigs invincible" battleship nerfs then i would love to see frigates and destroyers being able to mount cruise and torps again like the good olde days, but alas assault frigates tanking lvl 10 complexes so the battleships can live long enough is here to stay :(
personally i want to see smaller weapons take up only a fraction of a battleships high slot so that i can mount maybe 4-10 small rails in a single high slot on my raven, then lets see those damned gallente AF come closer :P
Strikeclone
Celer Et Audax
Caldari Prime will be ours again!
Hoist Battle Ensigns
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Maya Rkell
Corsets and Carebears
Whips and Chains
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:48:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 17/07/2006 12:49:02
 Originally by: Ellaine TashMurkon
And there are bombers alreday.
No, the "stealth bombers" are only useful for ganking FRIGS. (yea, silly isn't it...)
Strikeclone, I'm sure you want simplistic BS domination. For the rest of us...
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Ellaine TashMurkon
Em Pack
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:51:00 -
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why so? 4 stealth bombers shuld have firepower of a single raven, no? :)
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Maya Rkell
Corsets and Carebears
Whips and Chains
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:57:00 -
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And if they're spotted, they have about 1/10 the survability. Given people are the real limited resource of this game, it's easier to use a tackler (or two) and a cloaked Raven.
Oh, plus cloaks are silly-expensive.
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Strikeclone
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.18 08:20:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Strikeclone, I'm sure you want simplistic BS domination. For the rest of us...
Erm, no.
You did see the little ":P" at the end of that obvioulsy sarcastic comment about multiple frig guns per battleship high slot......
I would like to see some of the balance restored, but by reducing frigate damage against larger targets in the same way larger ships have had their damage against smaller targets nerfed for game play bal. I am not going to hijack this thread with ideas how, as i have already posted them else where here.
Strikeclone
Celer Et Audax
Caldari Prime will be ours again!
Hoist Battle Ensigns
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Cathandra
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Posted - 2006.07.18 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: Strikeclone
that obvioulsy sarcastic comment
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Maya Rkell
Corsets and Carebears
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Posted - 2006.07.18 12:43:00 -
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No Strike, if a large gun hits a smaller frigate it still does full damage. The basic premise is ENTIRELY incorrect.
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Filan Fyretracker
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Posted - 2006.07.18 14:30:00 -
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a tier 2 destroyer would be better, made to only fit a Torpedo launchers. "Torpedo Boat Destroyer". big killable with little effort but if it makes its mark its gunna blow up something expensive.
then have a Tech 2 version that launches Citadel Torpedos, with huge bonuses for them but no resistances bonus.
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