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Suddenly Boom
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2011.11.22 14:06:00 -
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Wow, this is going to be fun, for me at least, not for the people getting destroyed. I can now effectively destroy any hulk or mackinkaw in empire space with one button, and it will only cost me about 30 million isk and the target loses 100-150 million isk. Even if they tank their barge to hell, it won't matter because a 2nd volley will finish them for sure and a 2nd volley is possible.
We can even gank targets on gates like freighters, indys, even faction fit ships. I don't know what someone was thinking when they decided to add 8 slot battleship weapons to cheap ships but GJ.
Hi-sec ganking is going to be easier than ever, even without insurance. Let the massacre begin. |

woe kitten
DaGi Inc.
15
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Posted - 2011.11.22 14:11:00 -
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Suddenly Boom wrote:Wow, this is going to be fun, for me at least, not for the people getting destroyed. I can now effectively destroy any hulk or mackinkaw in empire space with one button, and it will only cost me about 30 million isk and the target loses 100-150 million isk. Even if they tank their barge to hell, it won't matter because a 2nd volley will finish them for sure and a 2nd volley is possible.
We can even gank targets on gates like freighters, indys, even faction fit ships. I don't know what someone was thinking when they decided to add 8 slot battleship weapons to cheap ships but GJ.
Hi-sec ganking is going to be easier than ever, even without insurance. Let the massacre begin.
Your point is?  Life is a game. You either win or you lose.-á |

Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
63
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Posted - 2011.11.22 14:12:00 -
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I'd quibble over the figures a bit, but yep, thats more or less the size of it.
Crucible can't come soon enough, for me. (Well, at least until I can work my way through this surplus stack of suicide Tempests....) |

Eugene Spencer
Rodents of Unusual Size
19
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Posted - 2011.11.22 14:12:00 -
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The new battlecruisers will cost more than 30m ISK. I have a specific comb for my beard. |

Ptraci
3 R Corporation
170
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Posted - 2011.11.22 14:15:00 -
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Eugene Spencer wrote:The new battlecruisers will cost more than 30m ISK.
Industrial ships cost more than 150 million isk, too. Let's split hairs more. |

Cidwm
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2011.11.22 14:37:00 -
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ill be impressed (and possibly scared/very happy bunny) if the new Tier 3 battlecruisers came out and people sld them for battlecruiser prices! with there initial high demand by nearly anyone who wants to fly the latest ship, im expecting it to be closer to Battleship prices at the very least at first, and then decline and stablise over a few months |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
976
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Posted - 2011.11.22 14:41:00 -
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nothing cheaper than a titan should be able to kill a hulk ((( |

Scortched Merc
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2011.11.22 14:41:00 -
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I'm glad I only fly 2billion isk ships in High Sec. I'm Safe! E .-+ ` ' / -+. F Your tears fuel my internet spaceship. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
976
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Posted - 2011.11.22 14:42:00 -
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frekis cost like 40b and an autocane or even a thrasher will volley one, point? |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1625
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Posted - 2011.11.22 14:49:00 -
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So? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
976
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Posted - 2011.11.22 14:49:00 -
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when you mine high-sec gallente ice, you mine with HITLER |

Artisan Botanist
Hysteria Nexus
0
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Posted - 2011.11.22 14:55:00 -
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Andski <-- Why the 3 min timer should return
Well I guess it could be worse,.. *cough* Zagdul *cough* |

Serial Chi
Dust Bunnies 514
19
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Posted - 2011.11.22 14:57:00 -
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i wonder if there is gonna be a mass exodus of hulk pilots if they are losing hulks every other day as opposed to once every few months.
infact, i hope there is. ccp has only been asking miners to bend over and take it for ages now. look at that ****** new T2 mining foreman link, seriously 5% increase when ALL others get 18-25% increase????
ccp, like all companies only understands one thing: money aka the bottom line.
i think ccp fells to understand that most gankers dont care about isk, just causing grief to another player and this is making their pants wet. loss of insurance just means an hour more of lvl 4 missions on their alt, in the background.
i hope hulkageddon V and these new BCs starts a nasty chain reaction and forces ccp to either bring the exhumars inline with the new gank mobiles or lose a **** load of money when the more passive, non forum-using average miners start to let there subs go. |

Psychophantic
112
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Posted - 2011.11.22 14:58:00 -
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This is the part where you point out the easily mitigated consequences for the ganker.
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Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club Care Factor
10
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Posted - 2011.11.22 14:59:00 -
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100000 thread about the same issue..
Gankers will be there, they will pointlessly gank the ones that can't defend them selves and they will still not amuse anyone.
Considering there is an insurance payout change that they won't get any insruance - they will still lose more isk than they would if the insurance system was still working as it was.
So to sum it up to all the people crying / bragging about the new bc being the uber gankship - yes we know you'll get wet in bed because of that, but please, kindly shut up ^^ "Have you had your morning coffee?" -> the Coffee Lovers Brewing Club is recruiting! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=363976#post363976 |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
976
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:02:00 -
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high-sec miners will never be pleased until they can bot mine in high-sec without risk because they auto-reject all the honourable pvp requests |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
976
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:03:00 -
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suicide ganking is an honourable profession, nerfing it will be CCP's undoing |

Serial Chi
Dust Bunnies 514
19
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:04:00 -
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Andski wrote: all the honourable pvp requests
lol.... what game are you playing? |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
976
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:07:00 -
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Serial Chi wrote:Andski wrote: all the honourable pvp requests lol.... what game are you playing?
the game that highsec macrominers like the OP wish EVE was |

Roosterton
Eternal Frontier
154
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:09:00 -
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Serial Chi wrote:i wonder if there is gonna be a mass exodus of hulk pilots if they are losing hulks every other day as opposed to once every few months.
infact, i hope there is. ccp has only been asking miners to bend over and take it for ages now. look at that ****** new T2 mining foreman link, seriously 5% increase when ALL others get 18-25% increase????
ccp, like all companies only understands one thing: money aka the bottom line.
i think ccp fells to understand that most gankers dont care about isk, just causing grief to another player and this is making their pants wet. loss of insurance just means an hour more of lvl 4 missions on their alt, in the background.
i hope hulkageddon V and these new BCs starts a nasty chain reaction and forces ccp to either bring the exhumars inline with the new gank mobiles or lose a **** load of money when the more passive, non forum-using average miners start to let there subs go.
Just about any PVP fitted ship can kill a PVE fitted ship, regardless of their prices.
I've seen a 20mil Arbitrator take down a 1bil+ mission Vargur. Many times have an armor Hurricane killed an 800mil+ Paladin. I killed a ratting Tempest with a Drake awhile back. A good stealth bomber can regularly pop sanctum farmers in nullsec. Well-organized ops consisting of a few BC's can bring an unsuspecting highsec Incursion (worth 10bil+ in total) to its knees.
What's common with all these things? The victims aren't prepared. The mission runners getting ganked don't know how aggression mechanics work, so put themselves in a situation where they can get taken down. The ratting Tempest didn't know how to check d-scan, so it couldn't align out in time for my attack. Sanctum farmers in nullsec die when they're not watching their intel channels/local. Incursions get slaughtered if somebody cap transfers a guy with a flag without noticing. Even if your ship is worth 10x more than the person attacking you, if you're unprepared, you're in deep ****, simple as that.
Miners are NOT deserving of special treatment in this regard, nor should they be. You have multiple tools at your disposal to prepare for or avoid a suicide gank, such as:
A) Mine in a reclusive system with few people. B) Set d-scan to 1,000,000km, if you see destroyers or tornados on there, protip: They're likely coming to gank something, start warping out. C) Mine while pointing in the direction of a celestial object. D) If you suspect yourself as being a gank target, ship down to a much cheaper Coveter? They only mine about 10% less than a Hulk, and cost only 20mil. I doubt anyone would bother ganking it.
I could think of more, but this is sufficient to make my point, and I need to head off to school. Bye. |

Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club Care Factor
10
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:10:00 -
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Andski wrote:suicide ganking is an honourable profession, nerfing it will be CCP's undoing
If you really think that suicide gankers attacking industrial ships are "guided by a high sense of honor", you really must be a twisted mind there.
It's very far from honorable. It's not even legal (considering concord is both the law executor and judge), since you'r blown to bits just seconds after you gank someone... High sec ganking is a form of agression allowed by the game mechanic, that's all.
Don't mix terms. I know it is profitable, easy and by many considered fun... But so is kidnapping 7-year olds to sell them on the black market... "Have you had your morning coffee?" -> the Coffee Lovers Brewing Club is recruiting! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=363976#post363976 |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
976
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:12:00 -
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Dr Karsun wrote:Andski wrote:suicide ganking is an honourable profession, nerfing it will be CCP's undoing If you really think that suicide gankers attacking industrial ships are "guided by a high sense of honor", you really must be a twisted mind there. It's very far from honorable. It's not even legal (considering concord is both the law executor and judge), since you'r blown to bits just seconds after you gank someone... High sec ganking is a form of agression allowed by the game mechanic, that's all. Don't mix terms. I know it is profitable, easy and by many considered fun... But so is kidnapping 7-year olds to sell them on the black market...
please continue to compare blowing up people's pixel ships to real-life human trafficking, it's ~hilarious~ and we crosspost gold like that to goonfleet dot com |

Tear Miner
Republic University Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:13:00 -
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Roosterton wrote:Overinflated pvp knowledge
I heard you fly drakes.
Get.
Out. |

Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club Care Factor
10
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:15:00 -
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Andski wrote:Dr Karsun wrote:Andski wrote:suicide ganking is an honourable profession, nerfing it will be CCP's undoing If you really think that suicide gankers attacking industrial ships are "guided by a high sense of honor", you really must be a twisted mind there. It's very far from honorable. It's not even legal (considering concord is both the law executor and judge), since you'r blown to bits just seconds after you gank someone... High sec ganking is a form of agression allowed by the game mechanic, that's all. Don't mix terms. I know it is profitable, easy and by many considered fun... But so is kidnapping 7-year olds to sell them on the black market... please continue to compare blowing up people's pixel ships to real-life human trafficking, it's ~hilarious~ and we crosspost gold like that to goonfleet dot com
I'd advise you to learn to read properly. I've compared the phrases describing the activity to be similar. That doest not mean I've compared the two activities them selves.
And by all means quote me! But I'd like to have the quote marked with my name, I don't like people empty quoting. "Have you had your morning coffee?" -> the Coffee Lovers Brewing Club is recruiting! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=363976#post363976 |

De'Veldrin
Element 27 Intrepid Crossing
100
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:16:00 -
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The part I have never understood is why people think cost should be a balancing factor.
 Unsub or don't.-á I don't care what your reasons are, and neither does anyone else.-á Just click the button and go away - or don't. |

Russell Casey
One Ton Reverberation Project
101
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:17:00 -
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Andski wrote:when you mine high-sec gallente ice, you mine with HITLER
He's still mad about the speed nerf.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxqrFEjDswE |

Crias Taylor
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
76
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:17:00 -
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Are we using terrible high sec pubbie math where if, "I mine it, it is free." Market value I get like 75m with fittings.
Also, don't forget that insurance isn't paid out anymore if you suicide gank. |

BBJ Shepard
163
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:17:00 -
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Suddenly Boom wrote:Wow, this is going to be fun, for me at least, not for the people getting destroyed. I can now effectively destroy any hulk or mackinkaw in empire space with one button, and it will only cost me about 30 million isk and the target loses 100-150 million isk. Even if they tank their barge to hell, it won't matter because a 2nd volley will finish them for sure and a 2nd volley is possible.
We can even gank targets on gates like freighters, indys, even faction fit ships. I don't know what someone was thinking when they decided to add 8 slot battleship weapons to cheap ships but GJ.
Hi-sec ganking is going to be easier than ever, even without insurance. Let the massacre begin.
Please stop pretending to yourself you aren't a butthurt highsec miner, thanks! |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
976
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:17:00 -
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no meight, you made a comparison |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1625
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:18:00 -
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Serial Chi wrote:infact, i hope there is. ccp has only been asking miners to bend over and take it for ages now. look at that ****** new T2 mining foreman link, seriously 5% increase when ALL others get 18-25% increase???? Uh-huhGǪ
Harvester Capacitor Efficiency II: -2.5% (from -2% in the T1) GÇö 25% larger bonus. Laser Optimisation II: -2.5% (from -2% in the T1) GÇö 25% larger bonus. Mining Laser Field Enhancement: -5% (from -4.5% in the T1) GÇö 11% larger bonus.
GǪaccording to the latest dump. 
That said, you do understand that this will mean miners make less money on average, right? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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