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JAF Anders
Quantum Cats Syndicate Repeat 0ffenders
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Posted - 2014.08.14 16:18:00 -
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http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/size-matters-introducing-burner-missions/
While playing against bots isn't a new idea, I'm hopeful that this idea will catch on. It has the potential to give some capsuleers a taste of a tough fight and spark an interest in PvP. It's also possible that players will simply rock-paper-scissors the whole concept and learn very little beyond that.
Make no mistake, changes in Faction War complexes have created a vacuum for this type of content and I might have to fix my sec status / roll up a new character to run these.
+1 Fozzie, +1 Rise The pursuit of excellence and stabbed plexing alts. |

Shipwreck ThunderStar
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.14 16:43:00 -
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I love the idea of Burner missions.
What I don't like is having to sort through "traditional" lvl 4 missions to get to them. I fly frigates almost exclusively, and it would be nice to be able to run these at leisure rather than having to wait for the random mission to drop. |

Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
313
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Posted - 2014.08.14 16:45:00 -
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+1
First step in the right direction for PvE with hints of PvP. Are you sure your issues aren't elsewhere ?! |

Tyrendian Biohazard
Ubiquitous Hurt Exodus.
326
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Posted - 2014.08.14 16:50:00 -
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This definitely gets a +1 from me. I don't do a lot of PvE, but it has grabbed my interest.
Now, if they could just mix up the fits a bit. Make a brawly blaster DD in one, rail DD in another. Sometimes the dram does EM damage, sometimes explosive. Just to give some more variety. My twitch stream to help new players: http://www.twitch.tv/biohazrd51
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Phaade
Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF
232
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Posted - 2014.08.14 16:56:00 -
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Its awesome, but I still have to grind out garbage level 4s to find a fun mission. That sucks. |

Elfi Wolfe
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.14 17:26:00 -
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+1
And I hope this works out and spreads to other missions. "Please point to the place on the doll where the carebear touched you." |

Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2014.08.14 17:49:00 -
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I will definitly be doing these. +1 Disclaimer: My opinion does not necessarily reflect that of my corp or alliance. My opinion is my own, and if you don't like, that is your problem. |

Steven Shen
Scorpions Pirate Force Fraternity.
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Posted - 2014.08.14 18:05:00 -
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+1 Good idea. I will add a worm into my mission ship hangar. I expect much more changes for the pve part of our universe.
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Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
1182
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Posted - 2014.08.14 18:26:00 -
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I havent done missions in forever, but i might make a run back to highsec just to try this out. |

Tengu Grib
Happy Fun Fun
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Posted - 2014.08.14 18:29:00 -
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If I have to farm lvl 4's to get the occasional burner mission, I'll never do them. And most mission runners are running at least cruisers, but mostly BC's and BS's, so that model would mean dragging a frigate around with you on the off chance you happen to get a burner. I could actually see people just dropping the mission and asking for a new one so they don't have to have frigates around.
+1 to the concept, but please CCP, let it be trough a separate agent, or offered separately from the same agents. Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever. SolidX > i'm an alt IRL Guilty conscience? Buy a mining permit today. www.minerbumping.com |

Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.08.14 18:50:00 -
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Tengu Grib wrote:If I have to farm lvl 4's to get the occasional burner mission, I'll never do them. And most mission runners are running at least cruisers, but mostly BC's and BS's, so that model would mean dragging a frigate around with you on the off chance you happen to get a burner. I could actually see people just dropping the mission and asking for a new one so they don't have to have frigates around.
+1 to the concept, but please CCP, let it be trough a separate agent, or offered separately from the same agents.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4912365#post4912365 "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |

Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2094
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Posted - 2014.08.15 02:18:00 -
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Tengu Grib wrote:If I have to farm lvl 4's to get the occasional burner mission, I'll never do them. And most mission runners are running at least cruisers, but mostly BC's and BS's, so that model would mean dragging a frigate around with you on the off chance you happen to get a burner. I could actually see people just dropping the mission and asking for a new one so they don't have to have frigates around.
+1 to the concept, but please CCP, let it be trough a separate agent, or offered separately from the same agents.
Oh you poor thing, he're a cookie and a blankie. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Lothras Andastar
Associated North American Lovers of Dolphins
69
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Posted - 2014.08.15 07:00:00 -
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One of two things will happen: 1) They will not be easily exploitable (In the "exploit this forest for resources" meaning of the word) and thus will be run once then never again. 2) They will be such a massive isk fountain that no-one will do anything ever again.
There is no middle ground. Because the Legacy Code has too much Psssssssssssssssh, nothing will ever get fixed until CCP stop wasting money on failed sparkle MMOs and instead rewrite the entire backend of EvE from scratch. |

erg cz
Sliperer
107
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Posted - 2014.08.15 07:57:00 -
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Shipwreck ThunderStar wrote:
What I don't like is having to sort through "traditional" lvl 4 missions to get to them. I fly frigates almost exclusively, and it would be nice to be able to run these at leisure rather than having to wait for the random mission to drop.
I am a typical carebear, who runs L4 missions as main fun in EVE. I do other PVE stuff as well, when I feel like it, but my PvP experience is almost zero. Most probably I will need some help learning how to deal with this kind of PvP simulation. At least in the beginning. So you do not need to do any normal sec missions at all. Just check some "help my mission" channel or something like this and help PVP newbees like me ho to deal with real threats. Actually I maybe even contact you in game directly, if you do not mind, when I get some Burner fun in my way ;) I run missions in southern Sinq Laison.. |

afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
264
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Posted - 2014.08.15 11:35:00 -
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Lothras Andastar wrote:One of two things will happen: 1) They will not be easily exploitable (In the "exploit this forest for resources" meaning of the word) and thus will be run once then never again. 2) They will be such a massive isk fountain that no-one will do anything ever again.
There is no middle ground.
1) I cannot see a sane fit that a worm wont whip up and down the grid. If it can challenge a worm in solo combat, not much else has a hope in hell.
2) Given they are interleaved with existing level 4's, that is improbable. We may see more people move to blitzing I guess. |

James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
70
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Posted - 2014.08.15 13:10:00 -
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Tyrendian Biohazard wrote:This definitely gets a +1 from me. I don't do a lot of PvE, but it has grabbed my interest.
Now, if they could just mix up the fits a bit. Make a brawly blaster DD in one, rail DD in another. Sometimes the dram does EM damage, sometimes explosive. Just to give some more variety. So far, all we have is the teaser and the proof of concept on something many many players have said they want. They said if these are successful, then they have plans for more. Nor does anything say they won't do something basic like switch ammo types between missions, just that you will be informed of which ammo to tank against, similar to how every pirate faction has a typical damage profile. That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did. |

Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
662
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Posted - 2014.08.15 13:20:00 -
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Shipwreck ThunderStar wrote:I love the idea of Burner missions.
What I don't like is having to sort through "traditional" lvl 4 missions to get to them. I fly frigates almost exclusively, and it would be nice to be able to run these at leisure rather than having to wait for the random mission to drop.
You don't? You just fly around several L4 agents and decline missions.
Rowells wrote:I havent done missions in forever, but i might make a run back to highsec just to try this out.
And why High sec and not Low sec? |

Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1191
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Posted - 2014.08.15 13:40:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:
And why High sec and not Low sec?
from dev blog :
Burner Missions pit you against a single enemy NPC. This NPC is an extremely powerful frigate with stats based on those of a player flying a pirate frigate with officer/deadspace gear, pirate implants, and command links. All of these NPCs use warp disruption, and most of them use scramblers that turn off microwarpdrives the same way player scramblers do.
They will require blingy fit that most people won't want to run in low sec. |

Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
662
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Posted - 2014.08.15 16:26:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:
And why High sec and not Low sec?
from dev blog : Burner Missions pit you against a single enemy NPC. This NPC is an extremely powerful frigate with stats based on those of a player flying a pirate frigate with officer/deadspace gear, pirate implants, and command links. All of these NPCs use warp disruption, and most of them use scramblers that turn off microwarpdrives the same way player scramblers do. They will require blingy fit that most people won't want to run in low sec.
I ... see. Very revealing. |

Fourteen Maken
Interstellar Holding ltd.
138
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Posted - 2014.08.15 17:51:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:
And why High sec and not Low sec?
from dev blog : Burner Missions pit you against a single enemy NPC. This NPC is an extremely powerful frigate with stats based on those of a player flying a pirate frigate with officer/deadspace gear, pirate implants, and command links. All of these NPCs use warp disruption, and most of them use scramblers that turn off microwarpdrives the same way player scramblers do. They will require blingy fit that most people won't want to run in low sec.
Dam these missions would be good in low sec, if they could be run in reasonably cheap navy or t2 frigs with pvp tackle fit it would mean more people flying solo and I'm sure taking a few fights along the way to break up the boredom of PVE.
If it works well they should consider putting them in low sec too, and let them be run in common Tech2 PVP set ups. |

Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
663
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Posted - 2014.08.15 18:04:00 -
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Fourteen Maken wrote:Dam these missions would be good in low sec, if they could be run in reasonably cheap navy or t2 frigs with pvp tackle fit it would mean more people flying solo and I'm sure taking a few fights along the way to break up the boredom of PVE.
If it works well they should consider putting them in low sec too, and let them be run in common Tech2 PVP set ups.
From the Dev Blog:
Quote:Burner Missions will be available from the normal level 4 security mission pool, issued by agents across highsec, lowsec and nullsec space.
^^ |

Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
237
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Posted - 2014.08.15 18:55:00 -
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Phaade wrote:Its awesome, but I still have to grind out garbage level 4s to find a fun mission. That sucks.
Well, just search for a corp with a lot of level 4 agents, then go around and ask/decline until you get a burner mission. But don't worry, CCP already promised more of them, up to cruiser sized later on and maybe their own dedicated agents with some sort of restriction attached like epic arc missions. |

Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
316
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Posted - 2014.08.15 19:02:00 -
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Well, I wouldn't worry, probably over 80 or even 90% of L4 mission runners in High Sec haven't trained past racial frigate level 3 - there are going to eb a lot of people bruning and then offering them up for fleet or asking for help...
And imagine all the gankers in Osmon waiting for the SoE runners to get one, watch the palyer frig blow on 200.000 D-Sccan and warp in an gank the rat -¦-¦
Lots of content coming...
I can remote rep the rat without getting flagged right     Are you sure your issues aren't elsewhere ?! |

Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
237
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Posted - 2014.08.15 19:07:00 -
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Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:Well, I wouldn't worry, probably over 80 or even 90% of L4 mission runners in High Sec haven't trained past racial frigate level 3 - there are going to eb a lot of people bruning and then offering them up for fleet or asking for help... And imagine all the gankers in Osmon waiting for the SoE runners to get one, watch the palyer frig blow on 200.000 D-Sccan and warp in an gank the rat -¦-¦ Lots of content coming... I can remote rep the rat without getting flagged right    
Don't forget they have sleeper AI, which targets enemy ewar and reps first. So hopefully your gank frig is up to the task.  |

Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
316
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Posted - 2014.08.15 19:13:00 -
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Well, got all racial and AS CO small weapons etc to 5 ..... and they target reps even directed at them.. never tried that ?! Are you sure your issues aren't elsewhere ?! |

Komodo Askold
No Code of Conduct Fluffeh Bunneh Murder Squad
176
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Posted - 2014.08.15 20:04:00 -
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That's a really awesome idea. It will surely refresh the missioning experience and might interest more people into PVP. If anything, I would suggest the Burners to have randomized stats and tactics. Some sort of modular PVE content. Apart from that, a big +1 from me. |

Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
663
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Posted - 2014.08.15 20:35:00 -
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Komodo Askold wrote:That's a really awesome idea. It will surely refresh the missioning experience and might interest more people into PVP. If anything, I would suggest the Burners to have randomized stats and tactics. Some sort of modular PVE content. Apart from that, a big +1 from me.
Alternative scenario: Mission runners try them and realize just how much of a nuisance PVPesque PVE is and don't do them again. Some might do them every now and then for a laugh or an occasional adrenaline rush. I only see a very tiny minority that might think about venturing more into PVP after playing such missions. |

Fourteen Maken
Interstellar Holding ltd.
138
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Posted - 2014.08.15 20:36:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Fourteen Maken wrote:Dam these missions would be good in low sec, if they could be run in reasonably cheap navy or t2 frigs with pvp tackle fit it would mean more people flying solo and I'm sure taking a few fights along the way to break up the boredom of PVE.
If it works well they should consider putting them in low sec too, and let them be run in common Tech2 PVP set ups. From the Dev Blog: Quote:Burner Missions will be available from the normal level 4 security mission pool, issued by agents across highsec, lowsec and nullsec space. ^^
Sorry must've misread it, I'm half asleep here.
Anyway I don't think I want to start grinding lvl4's in low sec just to get a few burner missions now and then, which is a shame. High sec doesn't need dedicated agents for them, but I think low sec would benefit from having a few agents who only give this type of mission. |

Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
237
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Posted - 2014.08.15 21:28:00 -
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Fourteen Maken wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:Fourteen Maken wrote:Dam these missions would be good in low sec, if they could be run in reasonably cheap navy or t2 frigs with pvp tackle fit it would mean more people flying solo and I'm sure taking a few fights along the way to break up the boredom of PVE.
If it works well they should consider putting them in low sec too, and let them be run in common Tech2 PVP set ups. From the Dev Blog: Quote:Burner Missions will be available from the normal level 4 security mission pool, issued by agents across highsec, lowsec and nullsec space. ^^ Sorry must've misread it, I'm half asleep here. Anyway I don't think I want to start grinding lvl4's in low sec just to get a few burner missions now and then, which is a shame. High sec doesn't need dedicated agents for them, but I think low sec would benefit from having a few agents who only give this type of mission.
If I read CCP's plans correctly, they want to add more and more burner missions over time, including slowly heavier targets up to cruiser missions.
So nothing speaks against dedicated agents later on, with some sort of restriction to prevent farming. (Something like 7 missions per week/agent)
Overall, the entirety of New Eden proftis from this fresh, new system of missions. Their decision to add them to High, Low and NullSec was a good one and I expect dedicated burner agents to likewise be spread over all of New Eden. |

Komodo Askold
No Code of Conduct Fluffeh Bunneh Murder Squad
176
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Posted - 2014.08.16 09:47:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Komodo Askold wrote:That's a really awesome idea. It will surely refresh the missioning experience and might interest more people into PVP. If anything, I would suggest the Burners to have randomized stats and tactics. Some sort of modular PVE content. Apart from that, a big +1 from me. Alternative scenario: Mission runners try them and realize just how much of a nuisance PVPesque PVE is and don't do them again. Some might do them every now and then for a laugh or an occasional adrenaline rush. I only see a very tiny minority that might think about venturing more into PVP after playing such missions. In my opinion, that's a quite pessimistic view. Not all mission runners are as PVP-aversed as it seems. Myself, I run missions and other PVE activities just to fund my PVP and other activities (and because it's fun on itself).
I wonder about the name of these pirates, "Burners". I wonder whether we'll get a chronic along with the expansion...
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