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Hiram Alexander
Seraphim Securities
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Posted - 2011.11.22 17:33:00 -
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Crucible (at the time of writing this) is only seven days away, and I haven't looked forward to an expansion of EVE as much as this since it was only seven days 'til Apochrypha... but... :(
I've been posting away on the Test-server Feedback forum for the past three days, because you've 'nerfed' the new Warp-tunnel effect, by no-longer distorting the Sun as you fly towards/past it... and after chatting with an FX programmer today, on Sisi, I'm concerned that it looks like you've 'rationalised it away' as it were...
Kind of like the way you seemed to rationalise-away the old Cyno effects, when you replaced them with the warp-bubble-effect from WH's...
Cyno effects, and even engine trails, are now making a comeback because (in essence...) awesome special effects are 'awesome.' --- Even just look at how popular the new 'Missing shots'-effects are.
The Art Director has already said that it'd be a simple enough matter to switch it back on, so please... go for it.
Seeing a Solar body being visually ripped and torn during warp might not be 'realistic' but it's bloody good. |
Paragon Renegade
Solar Arbiters
121
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Posted - 2011.11.22 17:38:00 -
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I don't want to sound like a CCP suckup, but this is really a moot point compared to the positive changes.
The only dissapointment I have is that there is no longer Red & Blue Shift.
Red & Blue Shift made me happeh
(Edit; not so much "Moot" as a point, more as unimportant [hence moot lol], it would still be neat to have)
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.22 17:47:00 -
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No red/blue shft is a bug.
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Daedalus Arcova
Havoc Violence and Chaos
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.11.22 17:50:00 -
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Paragon Renegade wrote:moot point
Do you even know what this means?
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Hiram Alexander
Seraphim Securities
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Posted - 2011.11.22 17:50:00 -
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Paragon Renegade wrote:I don't want to sound like a CCP suckup, but this is really a moot point compared to the positive changes.
The only dissapointment I have is that there is no longer Red & Blue Shift.
Red & Blue Shift made me happeh
Moot point? Fair enough... I don't want to down play any of the positive changes, because this expansion is shaping-up to be tremendous. Which is why I asked (chat log in other thread) how much work it'd be to switch the effect back on.
Apparently it'd be virtually trivial, so all I'm saying is please do it...
As for Red/Blue shift, that was (as far as I recall) acknowledged already as a bug, and as far as I can tell, it's actually back already - just a good sight fainter than it used to be... but even that could be 'rationalised-away'... not that it should. In my opinion at least, "Awesome FX are Awesome..." |
Logan LaMort
Black Rebel Rifter Club
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Posted - 2011.11.22 17:52:00 -
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I was disappointed when I loaded up sisi to find the new warp effect no longer distorted the sun, because it is an awesome warp effect and seeing it rip up celestial bodies is extremely cool.
The thing is, you only see planets occasionally during warp and for not that long, but the sun? Yeah you kinda see that the entire warp and it was pretty mesmerising to see it distorted throughout the entire warp.
Also engine trails, I like a lot, but why not during warp? I imagine it would be really cool visually to see them extend for infinity behind you as you take several seconds to cross light years of space. I think it would put emphasis too on just how fast you're actually going.
The main thing I dislike though is that CCP seem to make these artistic choices that are the complete opposite of what most people seem to agree on, on the forums anyway. |
Logan LaMort
Black Rebel Rifter Club
1116
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Posted - 2011.11.22 17:52:00 -
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Double post, delete please. |
Hiram Alexander
Seraphim Securities
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Posted - 2011.11.22 17:59:00 -
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Paragon Renegade wrote:
The only dissapointment I have is that there is no longer Red & Blue Shift.
Red & Blue Shift made me happeh
Just logged into Sisi to check that for you...
1. Log in, and find a bit of space that allows you to warp without having any nebula behind you.
2. Warp to something that's as far away as possible.
3. Look behind you as you warp...
4. As you approach your maximum speed, you'll notice space getting 'red-er' behind you. But not for long...
5. It gets blue in front, but that's not as easy to see because of the 'tunnel'... |
Paragon Renegade
Solar Arbiters
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Posted - 2011.11.22 18:03:00 -
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Daedalus Arcova wrote:Paragon Renegade wrote:moot point Do you even know what this means?
Grammar police! ONOE!
^And I agree, seeing things getting "Ripped" apart is really cool :D
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Leah Solo
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.22 21:35:00 -
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Hiram Alexander wrote:
Seeing a Solar body being visually ripped and torn during warp might not be 'realistic' but it's bloody good.
Lots of things aren't realistic in EVE..like wtf can our ship's camera drone get outside of warp bubble, and such. So for the sake of "awesome factor" I fully endorse bringing back the ripped sun effect!
+10
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Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
125
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Posted - 2011.11.22 22:29:00 -
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CCP, you really need to bring back the sun warp effect. it really is one of the best effects you guys have come up with. |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
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Posted - 2011.11.22 22:51:00 -
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Logan LaMort wrote:
Also engine trails, I like a lot, but why not during warp? I imagine it would be really cool visually to see them extend for infinity behind you as you take several seconds to cross light years of space. I think it would put emphasis too on just how fast you're actually going.
High-traffic systems like Jita would implode if engine trails were warp-persistent. Besides which, I think displaying engine trails and the warp tunnel is kind of 'overkill', graphics-wise. |
Handsome Hussein
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Posted - 2011.11.22 22:57:00 -
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I support this feature 100%.
Astrid Stjerna wrote:High-traffic systems like Jita would implode if engine trails were warp-persistent. Besides which, I think displaying engine trails and the warp tunnel is kind of 'overkill', graphics-wise.
No, Jita would not implode, but your client might.
Leaves only the fresh scent of pine. |
Solhild
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
88
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Posted - 2011.11.22 23:13:00 -
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Everything outside the warp tunnel need to be visually ripped about, makes more sense to exclude the sun from this?!
The effect of the sun in warp was great and needs to come back. Getting rid of it was simply a bad art decision, swallow pride and put it back in please. |
Ammzi
Imperial Guardians
Blazing Angels Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.22 23:14:00 -
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Leah Solo wrote:Hiram Alexander wrote:
Seeing a Solar body being visually ripped and torn during warp might not be 'realistic' but it's bloody good.
Lots of things aren't realistic in EVE..like wtf can our ship's camera drone get outside of warp bubble, and such. So for the sake of "awesome factor" I fully endorse bringing back the ripped sun effect! +10
+1, warp distortion is awesome!
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
528
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Posted - 2011.11.22 23:17:00 -
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Agreed, WARP THE SUN!!!  |
Captain Kyon
VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD
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Posted - 2011.11.22 23:26:00 -
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i miss this >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt4Au7vkM90 |
Bane Loppknow
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.22 23:27:00 -
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Warp ALL the things! |
Ifly Uwalk
Concentrated Evil
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Posted - 2011.11.22 23:34:00 -
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WAAAAAARP!!11!1eleven |
Hiram Alexander
Seraphim Securities
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Posted - 2011.11.23 13:31:00 -
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New build up on Sisi, but still no miracle fix.... CCP there're now 6 days left to save the Sun...  |
NaturalBeast
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.23 21:58:00 -
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I think the new warp tunnel looks fantastic. I usually alt tab to page 3 sunshine girl anyway.
Boobies > Sun |
Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises
The Silent One's
124
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Posted - 2011.11.23 22:03:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:No red/blue shft is a bug.
no, the red/blue shift is an actual thing that happens in real life. Its the same reason a car sounds different as it approaches you, and then passes and drives away. Because the sound waves are 'bunched up' as its coming at you, and the car sounds higher pitch/lounder... as it is driving away from yout he sound waves are more relaxed and spread out, causing it to sound quieter / lower pitch
The same effect happens to light waves |
Hiram Alexander
Seraphim Securities
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Posted - 2011.11.23 22:13:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:No red/blue shft is a bug. no, the red/blue shift is an actual thing that happens in real life. Its the same reason a car sounds different as it approaches you, and then passes and drives away. Because the sound waves are 'bunched up' as its coming at you, and the car sounds higher pitch/lounder... as it is driving away from yout he sound waves are more relaxed and spread out, causing it to sound quieter / lower pitch The same effect happens to light waves
I'd assumed that what he meant by that, was that the absence of the red-blue shift was a bug, not that the red-blue shift is an actual bug itself... I could well be wrong, though.
On that note though, I'm pretty sure someone said that the red-blue shift should really only apply to the light coming towards you, and given that you're warping at speeds far beyond 'light', you shouldn't actually be able to see anything 'behind' your ship during warp, as the photons could never catch up with your eyes (or camera drones...)
But, heck... I'm no scientist --- I just want CCP to switch 'sun-distortion' back on... It looked great, and using science or even pseudo-science to rationalise-away cool FX in an internet-space-submarine game, is a poor move in my book. |
Bienator II
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.23 22:15:00 -
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there is life after crucible. Don't force them to change stuff while being in the process of stabilization. The gimmicks can be tweaked in later patches after the main expansion.
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Hiram Alexander
Seraphim Securities
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Posted - 2011.11.23 22:24:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:there is life after crucible. Don't force them to change stuff while being in the process of stabilization. The gimmicks can be tweaked in later patches after the main expansion.
Don't get me wrong, it's not as if I'm requesting a complete rewrite... I wouldn't have posted this thread, if an FX programmer on the Art Dev team (who was working on trails at the time) hadn't asked the Art Director (at my request) -- how much work would it be, to switch the effect 'back on'?
Given that the answer was, in essence, hardly any work at all; this is why I'm here... because if this 'switch' doesn't happen now, while it's still easy, there's a very good chance it'll be left behind for years, or forgotten all together... |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
284
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Posted - 2011.11.23 22:26:00 -
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Posting in support. CCP, please distort.
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CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Surge Roth
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:18:00 -
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I'd like for this feature to come back as well. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
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Posted - 2011.11.24 03:59:00 -
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+1 for red shift and blue shift... that's cooler than the sun effect. (my takeaway from this thread)
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Amro One
One.
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Posted - 2011.11.24 06:15:00 -
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Next hes going to complain about the new BC shader effect. |
Emiko Luan
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
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Posted - 2011.11.24 06:47:00 -
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Please warp the sun, it was beautiful and I'm sad to hear of it being removed :<
+welcome to my world+
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