I'm pretty sure they all do more damage now with 5 guns then they did back when they had 6+ guns. You just need to train Command Ships V.

Since they are basically HACs on steroids I really don't see anything wrong with this.

I don't know how you fit your CS, but Snuff's Absolutions do tank comparable damage levels as Legions and deal better DPS.

Well, if they would be able to deal the same damage with just 1 damage module and could fit the same tank as back then, their would have been nerfed into the ground to compensate. Or of the stats would have stayed the same, we now would have CS Online.

Well right now its Ishtar/zealot online. The amount of CS flown even when they were at their previous levels was a very small percentage to begin with. And they are becoming even smaller due to skills changes + Re balance. Solo CS pilots were very hard to come by and these ships really took skill to master, or you would easily be dead.

Best example of the good ol days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OczW5xGy_g

CS are underwhleming for their risk vs Reward, needs a slight buff to get back to the top. Where they belong

It is only Ishtar/T3 online, because they are good and every big player in the game and urged their players to train for them. If CS were good, every big player in the game would have urged their players to train for CS. And to be fair, the Absolution is better than the Legion or at least equal; the Astarte is very well capable of doing PVE and PVP alike comparable to Tengu/Proteus and Ishtar. Nighthawks allow for very interesting small fleet setups. The only thing that's "bad" about the CS is their lack of agility, which makes it tiresome to fly them.

Awww, the old Nighthawk. I miss the Ferox Nighthawk.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/63891-Astarte-PVP.html pre-patch with x1 mag stab

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/69989-Astarte-1K-DPS-52k-EHP.html post patch with x3 mag stab..

1033 with x1 stab vs 1033 with x3 stab

Extra gun :(

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/18027-Absolution-PVP-freak.html pre

https://null-sec.com/hangar/?dna=22448:2364;3:3520;5:23089;5:2456;5: post

816 vs 624 with x3 heats
:/

Same for every other combat CS, although I am glad the fleets are at the same levels now.

Command ships, like t3s, get silly when you bother to get the bling out. 100k HP and 1500 DPS out of an astarte, which matches cruiser speeds. 6k DPS tank on sliepnirs. Nighthawk turn into bricks of insane shields.
I'd still love to get the extra turret, just pointing out that these, like t2 battleships, should be being used for fights they will win and thus shinied accordingly.

Since that second fit also mounts to medium neuts in addition to all that gank I don't see a problem here.

Still not enough Tank to accompany all that gank.

So how about more tank and more gank?

[Astarte, New Setup 1]

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Explosive Hardener II

Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
10MN Microwarpdrive II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II

1119 DPS with heat and a larger active tank than the old one. Oh and its faster too.

Boil it down and this request is basically for CBC's to be given more direct PvP utility when they aren't using links that fits in line with T2 ship progression.

Care to throw your chip in the hat for a set of T2 Heavy Assault BC's?

Although unnecessary as we have them right in front of us I'm game. Can I get my missile Ferox back..?

After dabbling around in the command ships even more. I feel like they are very underwhelming ever since the re balance. I'd suggest bringing back that extra turret slot for every command ship out there and adjust pg/cpu accordingly.

You're either sacrificing way to much tank for more dps, or way to much dps for tank. Even with links I don't think these ships keep up to other options.

Easy fix to put them back to where they belong at the top of the subcap pedestal.

If you're not using a command ship for the links, you should probably be flying something else. The damage that the ship generates is secondary to the fleet bonuses it provides.

People want a T2 BC that puts front-line combat first over links. They'll continue to try to use CBC's to do this until an alternative is presented, and continue to post suggestions like this as long as they find that CBC's are found wanting in this area for their expense and risk.

I agree, CBC's are fantastic as they are as CBC's, that's why I say we need something other than CBC's to fill the role that people are trying to push CBC's into competently filling that they're only half-intended for.

They're going to be waiting for a while. The area between ABC, T3, Command ships, HAC's, and battleships is tiny to non-existent.

Putting anything into that void is going to make something near obsolete.

I'm pretty sure they all do more damage now with 5 guns then they did back when they had 6+ guns. You just need to train Command Ships V.

Since they are basically HACs on steroids I really don't see anything wrong with this.

I think the op's point was that there was a difference between combat command ships and fleet command ships before a particular patch, I forget which. One of them had all the link bonuses while the other had guns. Also before said patch there was no reason to use a fleet command ship because t3s were better at it.

I would like to see the line between the types of command ships redrawn.

They're going to be waiting for a while. The area between ABC, T3, Command ships, HAC's, and battleships is tiny to non-existent.

Putting anything into that void is going to make something near obsolete.

[quote=Ersahi Kir]

Oh, and I still want to see some Combat Engineer BC's from ORE too.

Not sure what you mean by that but the idea I get from its is all about anchorable turrets.

Stats something along this line for a single turret:
Anchors anywhere. Only functions while the owner is on grid. Attacks anyone not in fleet or reps anyone in fleet. Must be 10km away from each other.
100 ish dps
1 minute anchor time
functions for 15 minutes and then shuts down. Can be recharged like normal reanchoring.
30k ish ehp.
Range and tracking vary by type.

Also the possibility of ewar, logi, and mining turrets

As for the ship that does this I have no idea about its stats except that it has no guns or drones.

Just an idea I'm throwing at a wall and looking for what sticks.