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T3TSUO	Posted - 2003.10.04 10:27:00 - [1] I was podded and killed the other day by two people. There names were Cloud Alexander and Arkad,one was in a battleship the other a Thorax.They were both camping out a jumpgate as I approached they killed me. So what? I hear you say. Well the thing is I was in a Shuttle. Not much of a threat there is it? Yet the moment I arrived I was killed without mercy. This isn't piracy it's out right murder. So I'm asking can players try and use a code of honor system and if your gonna camp jump gates all day try and pick on something that matches your skills. Fisherman throw the stragglers away you know
j0sephine	Posted - 2003.10.04 10:52:00 - [2] ... Did you try to call parlay? I don't see how you can complain about not following the code, otherwise... :s
1of1	Posted - 2003.10.04 10:55:00 - [3] Quote: ... Did you try to call parlay? I don't see how you can complain about not following the code, otherwise... :s Heheh!
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2003.10.04 11:01:00 - [4] Two points: (1) Your shuttle has a cargo hold of 10m3. You could've been carrying a thousand original battleship blueprints, that's one big chunk of loot for the pirates. (2) Well done, you've spotted what most of us have known since the day we started in EVE. A lot of so-called pirates aren't pirates at all, they're just killers. A great many people think "PvP" means "beat the crap out of people who can't possibly defend themselves against you, and pretend it makes you big and hard." So far there's no sign of CCP doing anything to stop them. _______ "Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age."
Valeria	Posted - 2003.10.04 11:10:00 - [5] Killing shuttles is usually very profitable. I've gotten everything from battleship skills to ship blueprints from them. Keep it up, kids. Your 425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun perfectly strikes some nublar, wrecking for 1155.0 damage.
Relentless	Posted - 2003.10.04 11:44:00 - [6] Understand the players who choose piracy/PK as their game role. They are mainly griefers and spoilers whose game enjoyment stems from their ability to sour it for others. You can't expect 'honour' from the dregs. I do think that pirates are important to the game because of they provide a random, changing, player-driver threat. But be aware of the sort of people who are drawn to the profession, and don't expect any sort of consistency or fair play. They will lie outragously, they will cheat stupidly, and they will blow up shuttles and pod the occupants to show how brave and manly they are. To be fair, there are a few pirates who take the role seriously, and who actually see themselves as improving the general gameplay. But they comprise a relatively small percentage, and there's no way to tell upfront which sort you're dealing with. In general it's best to treat pirates as natural disasters. Avoid them whenever you can, and accept the loss when you can't. Dealing with pirates, or expecting anything resembling honourable behavior from them just leads to further losses.
Moph	Posted - 2003.10.04 12:02:00 - [7] Show them no mercy, because you will receive none
T3TSUO	Posted - 2003.10.04 12:11:00 - [8] Well it was my first day back after a 2 month break and I expect some lame players out there but to kill me?
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2003.10.04 12:16:00 - [9] Quote: I was podded and killed the other day by two people. There names were Cloud Alexander and Arkad,one was in a battleship the other a Thorax.They were both camping out a jumpgate as I approached they killed me. So what? I hear you say. Well the thing is I was in a Shuttle. Not much of a threat there is it? Yet the moment I arrived I was killed without mercy. This isn't piracy it's out right murder. So I'm asking can players try and use a code of honor system and if your gonna camp jump gates all day try and pick on something that matches your skills. Fisherman throw the stragglers away you know Don't worry, someday tlbc will up and say they aren't pirates anymore, and u will then just have to pretend it never happened, or be considered ebil for hunting them down... err wait.. a pirate corp would never do that.. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Athule Snanm	Posted - 2003.10.04 14:22:00 - [10] Nah, that'll never happen... _______________________________ Doomheim - EVE's only hygiene!
Main	Posted - 2003.10.04 15:22:00 - [11] Edited by: Main on 04/10/2003 15:22:50 Edited by: Main on 04/10/2003 15:22:33 A few people in eve do run by a code of honour, i am one of them. I have never broken my word to anyone, even to my enemy, and never attacked an unarmed person - unless they are suspected of spying for my enemies or trying to enter a region of space uninvited. Main Everlasting Vendetta Veteran Member of the Stain Alliance
Valeria	Posted - 2003.10.04 15:27:00 - [12] Well, carebears started transporting valuable goods in shuttles in an attempt to pass pirate blockades unharmed. It worked for a while I suppose but now it's common knowledge that if you see a shuttle in un-secure space it's bound to have millions worth of cargo. Who's the unhonorable? Your 425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun perfectly strikes some nublar, wrecking for 1155.0 damage.
Luc Boye	Posted - 2003.10.04 15:33:00 - [13] Well you can always turn off autopilot and warp back if the gate is camped. If you really need to pass, try paying for it -- 2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage.
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2003.10.04 16:05:00 - [14] Maybe they killed you just 'cause you were the d00d, I know I would... Convert Stations
Devoknight	Posted - 2003.10.04 16:31:00 - [15] Quote: Well, carebears started transporting valuable goods in shuttles in an attempt to pass pirate blockades unharmed. It worked for a while I suppose but now it's common knowledge that if you see a shuttle in un-secure space it's bound to have millions worth of cargo. Who's the unhonorable? Cargo Scanner perhaps. Buy one, use one, before assuming the shuttle carries anything but air. Just because you got a shuttle doesnt mean you hold tons of good BP's. Player might be on his way to a station that has a ship he has bought or alike. Blunt dumb assumption is the way of the narrow minded...
NPDefender	Posted - 2003.10.04 16:39:00 - [16] Edited by: NPDefender on 04/10/2003 16:43:55 I know some pirates(at least they joined the pirates), and they have honor, but most of them have left, the rest are just the a class of thugs that get off on killing small pets, and kicking little kids and steal thier candy. or bye some of their comment kill them if it was legal(still can't believe that guy puts that at the bottom of each message). "Idiots make us rich. Some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill them." Quote from Falnaerith Caldari Occassus Republica This type of person is what now rules. Is this because CCP likes them or is them?
Luc Boye	Posted - 2003.10.04 16:47:00 - [17] Well I wanted to be a trader to start with. Then I discovered that ppl are masking good sell/buy orders, so you had no chance. Nobody is complaining about them now does it? -- 2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage.
Setec	Posted - 2003.10.04 17:11:00 - [18] Edited by: Setec on 04/10/2003 17:15:11 There are two possible scenarios when somebody approaches in a shuttle: 1. They're carrying something valuable, in which case they will be very upset about being shot, and the pirate may very well profit from blowing them up. 2. They're not carrying anything valuable, in which case they have no conceivable reason to be very upset at the destruction of their shuttle, unless they stick around to get podkilled and they're dumb enough to have no clone. I'm willing to bet that the retarded author of this thread was trying to sneak something valuable past the pirates in his shuttle, foolishly thinking he was the first to come up with the idea, and when his trick didn't work he whines about the "honor" of the pirates. Also, what makes you think that they should only attack things that pose a threat? Pirates attack things that might be profitable, and that can include shuttles. Do miners attack asteroids because they pose a threat? No. Do pirates attack indys and shuttles because they pose a threat? No. Would you rather those pirates blow you up in a shuttle that poses no threat, or a battleship that cost you 10,000 times as much and does pose a threat? Would you be happy that they blew up your battleship because, hey, at least they had honor? The only thing that's dishonorable here is your creation of this silly whine thread. It's bad to speak your mind when your mind isn't very good. It can only bring ridicule. You are extraordinarily stupid and whiny, and it's best to keep that sort of thing to yourself. Just sit back quietly and leave the talking to people who know things. By the way, yesterday was my first day back after a roughly two month break, and eight people tried to kill me. I had fun. Don't expect sympathy, you bozo. :P ___________________________________________ Space Invaders website: http://www.si-corp.net
Ezra	Posted - 2003.10.04 17:25:00 - [19] A shuttle in low-sec space can either be: Carrying millions worth of megacyte/ship BPs/skills Spying/scouting - How could they know that you didn't have 10 friends in battleships (BIG THREAT) right behind you with full knowledge of the pirates' capabilities and numbers? Carrying nothing and perfectly innocent. Almost always one of the first two categories. Cargoscanning takes time and does not detect spies. Therefore, typical pirate policy is shoot first ask questions later. I would do the same in their shoes. ------------ Ezra Cornell pe0n, Xanadu Corporation
Jael Markinsen	Posted - 2003.10.04 20:42:00 - [20] Welcome back Setec!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.10.04 20:45:00 - [21] I hope you remembered to set skills training, Setec. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Valeria	Posted - 2003.10.04 20:50:00 - [22] Quote: Cargo Scanner perhaps. Yeah, i'm so going to waste 4 slots just to cargoscan morons flying in non-secure space in unarmed shuttles. Three Webifiers to hold it down long enough to cargo scan it (takes quite a while), right? I'll change my load-out right away. Your 425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun perfectly strikes some nublar, wrecking for 1155.0 damage.
Nootami	Posted - 2003.10.04 21:18:00 - [23] Setec you had me worried that you had left Originally by: Cortex Reaver [22:39:59] [Oi]Nootami1 joined channel [22:40:02] [Oi]Nootami1 quit Oh,look! Someone joined for a whopping .3 seconds! -CR
BrazHos	Posted - 2003.10.05 07:20:00 - [24] Im stuck on the shuttles carrying millions of megacyte and battleship BPs?? (Carrying millions worth of megacyte/ship BPs/skills) Is there some secret way to load millions of megacyte? and people go to 0.0 space in shuttles to buy 1000 BS BPs? Those kind of remarks sound like excuses to me as a justification to pod someone. Not that you need a reason.. but you dont need to come up with lame choices like those to say "its" the reason. Be honest! You pod people because you can and want to! For no other reason than it gives you some kind of twisted pleasure at causing someone else some anguish, however pitiful or painful, even if its just a game. Some people make it their lifes purpose to step on others to make themselves feel bigger/better/faster.. regardless of whether you want to play their way or not. Thankfully, karma has a way of dealing with them in time. ********************************************** Coming Soon to a Sector near You** May be hazardous to your ship so Be Warned!
Asmodia	Posted - 2003.10.05 07:26:00 - [25] Quote: Im stuck on the shuttles carrying millions of megacyte and battleship BPs?? (Carrying millions worth of megacyte/ship BPs/skills) Is there some secret way to load millions of megacyte? and people go to 0.0 space in shuttles to buy 1000 BS BPs? Those kind of remarks sound like excuses to me as a justification to pod someone. Not that you need a reason.. but you dont need to come up with lame choices like those to say "its" the reason. Be honest! You pod people because you can and want to! For no other reason than it gives you some kind of twisted pleasure at causing someone else some anguish, however pitiful or painful, even if its just a game. Some people make it their lifes purpose to step on others to make themselves feel bigger/better/faster.. regardless of whether you want to play their way or not. Thankfully, karma has a way of dealing with them in time. I must agree Podding has nothing to do with piratcy. Maybe to warpscramble the pod and get money. The rest is only a powertrip of ppl. Only legtim podding is in war to make more finacal damage or to get the bounty. ------------------------------------------------ CEO of Spectre Syndicate - Curse Alliance ------------------------------------------------
Homo Erectus	Posted - 2003.10.05 08:15:00 - [26] It's easier to be a poser than a pirate in this game.
Relentless	Posted - 2003.10.05 09:36:00 - [27] Gak, what a moronic troll post Setec. Not that I agree with this thread. It's ridiculous to expect a code of ethics from pirates/PKers. But you might try catching up on your patch note reading, so that your whiney rationalization is at least informed.
Jojin	Posted - 2003.10.05 09:53:00 - [28] The only thing I see wrong is the label assigned. The individuals who destroyed the shuttle and killed the pilot are not Pirates (looting and plundering) they are just Killers. Though it is a dark path just to be a killer, there should be nothing wrong with it. The NPC pirates at the gates work under the exact same methods; kill anything that comes near. Asking for CCP to correct or somehow prevent the players from playing a role similar to that of a NPC character does not make much sense. It seems the root of the posting is to vent the frustration felt from being destroyed and to gain comfort and support from other players. Sorry for your loss, but I am sure you will recover.
Valeria	Posted - 2003.10.05 10:21:00 - [29] Actually it's pretty much impossible not to pod someone when you use missiles. If a pod actually makes it out alive it's just luck. You might think it's a bit silly using missiles against a shuttle, but if that's the only offensive modules you have equipped... Your 425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun perfectly strikes some nublar, wrecking for 1155.0 damage.
Aelius	Posted - 2003.10.05 10:46:00 - [30] How things are in EVE doesn't let Pirates do better than kill. are we going to put a cargo scanner instead of a shield booster? i dont think so. and sometimes the only time we got is to target and kill. EVE is a universe made with carabeans in mind. i try whenever possible to use a code of honor but EVE gameplay makes it very very hard. i appologise to my victims but EVE rules dont let me do better. Selling Raven BPC ME20 3M at Yulai 1st Station

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