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Sabriz Adoudel
Deliberate Destruction of Spaceships
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Posted - 2014.08.18 11:02:11 -
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I am intrigued to know who is doing so, and what they are planning.
But someone (I am guessing the CFC) are buying certain things in economy warping alliance supply levels.
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K Raz
Crysonian
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Posted - 2014.08.18 11:05:42 -
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And what items might that be? Not enough info to make this a tinfoil-worthy thread. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Deliberate Destruction of Spaceships
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Posted - 2014.08.18 11:24:40 -
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K Raz wrote:And what items might that be? Not enough info to make this a tinfoil-worthy thread.
I noticed a particular meta 4 module that I know the CFC (and other entities) have spiked the price on before go up, and looked at the other things you'd usually use alongside that module, and saw a dramatic price rise on something that the CFC have been known to spend a half trillion on in the past.
I'll state what it is once I've had time to corner the market.
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Maeltstome
Twisted Insanity.
The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.08.18 13:09:15 -
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INB4 Phased Muon damps and Ishtar hulls.
Either that or Meta 4 Tracking computers for the megathrons. |
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2014.08.18 13:58:13 -
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I'm pretty sure this is Cetus ECM Bursts for the resurgence of the ECM-bursting smartbombing RHML-FOF-Scorp doctrine. |
Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland
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Posted - 2014.08.18 18:44:12 -
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Gypsio III wrote:I'm pretty sure this is Cetus ECM Bursts for the resurgence of the ECM-bursting smartbombing RHML-FOF-Scorp doctrine.
Curses! You figured out our new Pipe-Bombing ECM-Bursting Scorpion DiscoCat doctrine! Dammit! Now we have to go back to Drakes!
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lord xavier
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.08.18 23:27:09 -
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Considering the potential war some entities are planning for. I am not surprised in the small rise in some doctrine ships and modules. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Deliberate Destruction of Spaceships
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Posted - 2014.08.18 23:28:13 -
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Maeltstome wrote:INB4 Phased Muon damps and Ishtar hulls.
Either that or Meta 4 Tracking computers for the megathrons.
Not sure I'd fit Phased Muons to an Ishtar, but to each their own.
Phased Muons are actually a good 40% below historic average prices and 70% below previous spiked prices, although that should be no surprise given that they were nerfed just enough to go from great to just good.
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Maeltstome
Twisted Insanity.
The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.08.19 15:32:34 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Maeltstome wrote:INB4 Phased Muon damps and Ishtar hulls.
Either that or Meta 4 Tracking computers for the megathrons. Not sure I'd fit Phased Muons to an Ishtar, but to each their own. Phased Muons are actually a good 40% below historic average prices and 70% below previous spiked prices, although that should be no surprise given that they were nerfed just enough to go from great to just good.
It's mostly about getting scrubs into fitted ships - and Damps in general are becoming very popular on all PVP ships to try and slow down the crazy ammount of logi these days (most fleets are 1:3/1:2 logi:Dps.) |
lord xavier
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.08.20 00:56:33 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Maeltstome wrote:INB4 Phased Muon damps and Ishtar hulls.
Either that or Meta 4 Tracking computers for the megathrons. Not sure I'd fit Phased Muons to an Ishtar, but to each their own. Phased Muons are actually a good 40% below historic average prices and 70% below previous spiked prices, although that should be no surprise given that they were nerfed just enough to go from great to just good.
Depends, if you have 100 ishtars on field, using the ability of 100 ewar slots and splitting them up so certain targets get x amount of damps, x amount of TDs, can do alot of painful damage. Especially if you are talking 40-50 damps being spread across some logis.
But, spreading 50 damps across logi takes competence from the pilot in the ishtar. Then the FC setting up different "groups" before hand to hit "a certain tag" on a ship. So when they see the tag they immediately put the designated EWAR on it. |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.20 08:01:48 -
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In the CFC, the typical rule for Ewar is to pick an appropriate target close to your name on the alphabet. It's a quick n'dirty way to get ewar spread across the enemy fleet without trying to organize a 50-man damp queue while also running a fleet battle.
Of course the typical CFC line member has a hard enough time doing one thing correctly so maybe you can get away with more involved strategies with pilots who are actually competent. |
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
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Posted - 2014.08.20 09:08:19 -
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Maeltstome wrote:INB4 Phased Muon damps and Ishtar hulls.
Either that or Meta 4 Tracking computers for the megathrons.
I thought it was Meta 4 Mag Stabs since they don't have WUG 4 yet
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lord xavier
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
41
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Posted - 2014.08.20 10:24:55 -
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Voyager Arran wrote:In the CFC, the typical rule for Ewar is to pick an appropriate target close to your name on the alphabet. It's a quick n'dirty way to get ewar spread across the enemy fleet without trying to organize a 50-man damp queue while also running a fleet battle.
Of course the typical CFC line member has a hard enough time doing one thing correctly so maybe you can get away with more involved strategies with pilots who are actually competent.
Oh, it is difficult with any fleet. The larger the fight gets the harder it gets as well. A 600+ local fight would be alot more difficult than a simple 30-50 vs 30-50. What I have done in the past was have a specific person do tagging for EWAR. That way the FC, BackupFC and the OMG We are running out of backup FCs were not calling out 6+ different targets at one time. That only calls for confusion and miss-broadcasting.
With using a dedicated tagger, that person can solely watch the EWAR targets (while hitting F1 on Primaries and keeping anchored up.) I would also designate a secondary EWAR tagger incase tagger 1 died, dc'd, self-destructed, got awox'd, AFK'd to take a bio.
It required additional willpower but it can turn the tide in smaller fights. When running a 600+ local fight, honestly 300 vs 300 EWAR really doesnt matter to hard where it goes. Especially if you just say "all Damps on the logis. Spread the TDs." and it will be pretty effective no matter where it goes.Some ships wont get hit touched by them but others wont be able to target farther than 2 meters or track anything smaller than a titan not moving. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Deliberate Destruction of Spaceships
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Posted - 2014.08.20 11:01:13 -
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I love the bizarre conclusions that people have come up with in this thread.
For what it's worth, I suspect it is the CFC that are purchasing the item in question, but that it is definitely not related to some failfit EWAR Ishtar doctrine.
The CFC aren't known for having the best doctrines, but they are definitely competent, and using RSDs on a non-bonused hull in a world of diminishing returns is one of the sillier ideas I have ever heard of.
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lord xavier
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.08.20 12:31:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:I love the bizarre conclusions that people have come up with in this thread.
For what it's worth, I suspect it is the CFC that are purchasing the item in question, but that it is definitely not related to some failfit EWAR Ishtar doctrine.
The CFC aren't known for having the best doctrines, but they are definitely competent, and using RSDs on a non-bonused hull in a world of diminishing returns is one of the sillier ideas I have ever heard of. Who said anything about just the CFC adding EWAR to their combat ships that don't have specific bonuses to them for that said EWAR? This has been a practice for quite some time. I remember quite clearly fitting TDs and Damps to all my Apocs/Geddons/Maels back in the day.
As I said in my initial post. Not only is the CFC staging for war at the moment but so is N3. See Kadeshi titan loss in fountain, literally halfway across eve from their own space. Fountain being a closer staging point to the CFC than Tenerifis is. Goons are close to home where as the South is not, meaning they have to restock and resupply in a deployed environment as all their assets are at the other end of space. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids
Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2014.08.21 19:03:35 -
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A number of Meta 4 support modules are being purchased. I assumed it was just another attempt to doctor a short term spike for cash outs.
With so much glut in the market buying stuff up in 'huge' volume is cheap. Meta 4, T2 salvage, there are thousands of items that have no demand in the war theater. I buy these things in stacks every so often too but I do it on the assessment that they might prove useful to me one day.
Meta 4 Heat Sinks for example. I have more than I would ever use assuming I ever found myself using them. |
lord xavier
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.08.22 04:44:54 -
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Ocih wrote:A number of Meta 4 support modules are being purchased. I assumed it was just another attempt to doctor a short term spike for cash outs.
With so much glut in the market buying stuff up in 'huge' volume is cheap. Meta 4, T2 salvage, there are thousands of items that have no demand in the war theater. I buy these things in stacks every so often too but I do it on the assessment that they might prove useful to me one day.
Meta 4 Heat Sinks for example. I have more than I would ever use assuming I ever found myself using them.
Meta 4 Shield, Armor, Damage mods, EWAR, Weapons and -some- PG/CPU items have a large role in a warzone. Not everyone has the ability to use T2 of everything. So, it is better for them to have a M4 than having a terrible fit or even worse empty slots. The demand is not so big on damage mods because of the M4 Ballistics. People are still use to suggesting damage mod kills first before even suggesting Cybernetics 1. Though, M4 Plates, M3-M4 Shield Extenders, Meta EWAR, Meta Props. They are all largely used for fitting. There are so many M4 items that are the same as T2, or just barely worse for a much nicer fitting requirement. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids
Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2014.08.22 17:32:14 -
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lord xavier wrote:
Meta 4 Shield, Armor, Damage mods, EWAR, Weapons and -some- PG/CPU items have a large role in a warzone. Not everyone has the ability to use T2 of everything. So, it is better for them to have a M4 than having a terrible fit or even worse empty slots. The demand is not so big on damage mods because of the M4 Ballistics. People are still use to suggesting damage mod kills first before even suggesting Cybernetics 1. Though, M4 Plates, M3-M4 Shield Extenders, Meta EWAR, Meta Props. They are all largely used for fitting. There are so many M4 items that are the same as T2, or just barely worse for a much nicer fitting requirement.
You could always tell when something was being used in a doctrine and when it wasn't. Most stuff was and is selling at reproc and the rest would sell much higher but still below T2. Then there is the rare exception from older times, like the Balmer Series disruptor that still sells above T2 because it has a favorable fittings variable allowing it to replace T2 on certain fits.
I'm still convinced that any large scale purchases of Meta 4 is manipulation but it's possible someone wised up and made a fleet from the stuff. It will only be one wave fleets, not doctrine because as the markets are showing, Meta 4 doesn't replace very fast and it took a long time and a lot of dry years to see the volumes reach the levels they are at.
Another possibility is, they are being grabbed up because we have yet to see Industrial adjustments concerning Meta and manufacturing. Over the years you see symptoms of some people knowing things long before the rest of us. Long before Test server published data. Short version, we can speculate, some don't need to. |
Hemmo Paskiainen
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Posted - 2014.08.22 21:28:24 -
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Its purely a sympthome that 0.0 has scaled up too much. Yay! Blobfun! (#Sarcasm)
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mynnna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.23 02:32:03 -
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We only typically pick up a few hundred of anything at once and any of our fits that do have to use meta 4 usually only we themselves needing one or two of the module. Not enough to really move a market very much.
But as long as people are throwing out insane theories, I propose that someone is planning an Ishtar doctrine that will use Geckos. That volume spike 
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