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Cohkka
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Posted - 2006.07.20 22:17:00 -
[31]
More fighting less smacking, that's my advice to BYDI. Maybe you'll get more contracts then...
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Nebuli
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.20 22:25:00 -
[32]
My god whats with all the damned flaming here, I'm totaly confused.
All the flaming to me boils down to "we are teh ownzorz MC and j00 arent ub3r like we iz" and "we are BOB and joo couldnt hurt us if contracted to"
Seriously guys stfu, BYDI are asking for contracts, if people wish to hire them for whatever it is they wish to hire them for whats the damned problem?
Everything doesnt revolve around alliances, POS and sov you know, theirs alot of people in empire as well, and alot a small merc corp can do that has bugger all to do with any alliance.
Say theirs a n00by mining corp getting hassle from some pirates, or randomly decced by someone or whatever, what do you suggest they do? give MC a call?
Seriously always had respect for BOB and also MC from fighting them and having some great fights against them, but this is just stupid, give it a rest and let them advertise for contracts if they wish to, its up to corps/individuals to hire them if they wish and shock horror NOT YOU.
That out of the way, good luck BYDI, and hope the future brings what youre looking for, and hire these guys have flown with them myself when they were in V and a top notch bunch of pilots.
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Dragerest
Total Warehouse Logistics
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Posted - 2006.07.20 22:27:00 -
[33]
swethren is that picture in your opening post of Oodin when you took he's barge aways from him? lets all get back on topic. enough ramblebobrambleMCrambleihavemoreWCSinmycorpthanmostalliancesramble.
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Swethren
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.20 22:30:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Nebuli *snip* That out of the way, good luck BYDI, and hope the future brings what youre looking for, and hire these guys have flown with them myself when they were in V and a top notch bunch of pilots.
Cheers mate
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Swethren
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.20 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Dragerest swethren is that picture in your opening post of Oodin when you took he's barge aways from him? lets all get back on topic
No, it's him crying cause I'm making him fly one while we don't have work 
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Logan Williams
Super Nova Cartel
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Posted - 2006.07.20 22:39:00 -
[36]
How much do you guys charge to grief people?
I've had this recurring desire to war dec a small empire mining/mission corp. Instead of killing them though, just find their mining systems. Fly in, warp scramble and then target jam them.
THEN, I fly in my industry guy and start mining the very rocks they're being jammed from. Convo follows.....
Logan Williams > see that guy over there....the one making isk from the rocks that you're not mining?
Random empire corp miner > Yeah??
Logan Williams > Wouldn't YOU like to be making isk too??
My miner in local chat > BOY, mining sure is nice with no competition!! Thanks, Logan...whoever you are.
Random empire corp miner > Well, yeah, I suppose.....
Logan Williams > Join me and you can!
************* END Dream Sequence *****************
I want to extort the people....not their isk.
Help me out??
Originally by: Logan Williams Cry CYVOK and let slip the geeks of diplomacy
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El Yatta
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Swethren FFS, could we all start flaming here!
Yes, empire mercs might not get payed as much as mercs corps/alliances that go into 0.0 and take down POS's and stations. Yes we might not have tha calibre of pilots and the ships you have. Quite frankly I'm happy that way.
Here's the low down. BYDI was a merc corp, BYDI had some awesome pilots who were really great guys. BYDI at one point stopped taking contracts. BYDI became stagment. Pilots got bored and left for greener pastures. I personally couldn't let BYDI die, so I came back to build it form back up from the ground. It was basically on the virge of disbanding.
Since I've come back, I've worked with Seargant S and oodin, to get the guys into gangs, get things happening, open the doors to new experience pilots to get things going. So far I've done well. The guys are amped to get going and I view BYDI as a new BYDI, starting from the groud up. If you look on the merc post in the Crime forum, I've only listed one contract as a past contract and thats the Sparta one, cause the old BYDI is gone and a new BYDI has risen.
So we are a new merc corp getting it's feet wet, we can't field dreads and carriers nor can we afford them right now. We will build team spirt with empire wars and the same time learning how each of us fly, finding weaknesses and pluging those holes. It won't be too long till you see us in 0.0, where we will continue to do our thing.
So please, forget what you knew about BYDI and base your opinons BYDI's actions, success and or failures from this point onwards. Some things will remain the same, alot won't.
Can we stop the pointless flaming?
Swethren
Wow, QFT.
As someone who's been in exactly the same position, 6 months ago when MF reformed, rebuilding a corp that at the end of its old life was not as good as it could have been, that had fallen apart and lost its name, into an new entity, I wish you guys the best of luck, and know that you'll do just fine.
As I tried to point out when I first posted in this thread (and I'm sorry if that helped kickstart the flaming), the smalltime market isnt dead, FAR FROM IT, and neither is what I'd call medium-time - capable of more than putting down the local 10-man pirate corp, but less than taking sovereignty and dozens of deathstar POS and all that alliance jazz.
Oh, and Drax, get a grip, the tinfoil hat stuff wasnt funny when it started, wasnt funny when Seleene used it to inflate his ego, and isnt funny now. Only serves to make MC look lame, which it definitely isnt. Respect works both ways, you know?
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Shaelin Corpius
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.21 04:17:00 -
[38]
Well just a little advice. Go find urself some work. We keep ourselves employed actively. We don't sit back and let the clients fall on our lap all the time, though it does happen.
Look towards current disputes that are around and offer your services to both sides. High bid wins and poof you got some work.
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Rasitiln
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.21 04:20:00 -
[39]
Originally by: El Yatta
the smalltime market isnt dead, FAR FROM IT, and neither is what I'd call medium-time - capable of more than putting down the local 10-man pirate corp, but less than taking sovereignty and dozens of deathstar POS and all that alliance jazz.
The man speaks the truth my mail box is constantly being spammed with war decs.....Im being griefed I say  Want to be a pirate? Join Sniggwaffe |

Golan Trevize
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.21 05:22:00 -
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Edited by: Golan Trevize on 21/07/2006 05:22:11 Im sitting here agreeing with alot of what BYDI are saying , what is this world coming too??, Keep it up pls. Empire contracts are far from dead ,a merc corp can be turning the tables in a empire war , the M-C have evolved/grown and can now do alliance deconstruction but we certainly have not forgotten our roots.
Golan Trevize Capital-Operations
The Gallente ideals of Freedom, Liberty and Equality will be met by the Amarr realities of Lasers, Armor and Battleships.
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Goldfingerz
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.21 09:40:00 -
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I find it amusing that your brief war dec on sparta was mentioned, as your corp where only to be found in and around jita, most sparta people at the time used the orvolle, cloud ring, fade route and hardly ever visited The citadel.
I guess my point is if you are contracted to war dec alliances, you are best off attacking the target on their main route into/out of empire or in their own space 
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Sarmaul
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.07.21 09:51:00 -
[42]
Just a thought, but if you're short of work look at the current wars going on in 0.0 and offer your services to both sides (and obviously ally with whoever pays most). When your short on contracts go -5.0 pirate hunting or wardec random pirate corps and have fun while training the new members.
Best of luck!
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Bosie
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Posted - 2006.07.21 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow arrogance mixed with a large ego = no clue
Good luck BYDI.
Bosie.
"There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is ENGLAND."
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Ugluuk
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 15:37:00 -
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Edited by: Ugluuk on 21/07/2006 15:43:48 It`s so funny to see Makeup man (Eyeshadow) whine and whine everytime a Bydi post comes up..
Bydi sucks, we were down in the dirt and must be the worst fighters bla bla bla and so it goes on..
Here is a little thing i found on the MC killboard:
BYDI vs MC - 109-158 in kills..
BS kills - 16-17 Hac kills - 7-4
This was the results from the war we had when we were a member of -V-..
Last time there was whining cause we used those results when we were in -V-.. MC is also an alliance so i see no difference, we just made the numbers more even by joining them..
Bydi lost most ships even tho we joined when war was half finished.. And also helped killing most and that says something about the fight spirit..
Eyeshadow is the nub who always came after me with 1 size bigger ship and his racial jammer asking for 1vs1 while my alt scanned his setup..
Sitting at 27km sending his drones after me..And then running when i undock with mwd,backups and 6 heavy energy neutralizers..
Makeup man is the most*****y mother ****** in Eve that certainly dont remember where he came from..
You got something to learn from Golan..
I on my part admit that my influence on BYDI weren`t the best.. But hey, i created the corp and formed it like i wanted..
I liked to be a merc, so we were mercs.. SUddenly i liked being gey like you and joined an alliance.. Then i wanted to be a pirate, and we became pirates..
Why change corp all the time when one corp does it all..
And dont be so angry at me cause i insulted you infront of your guys in local when you thought you had the best smack of the century thrown at me..
Im a little dirty nub and noobs smack better than tea drinking officers..
Now to be serious..
BYDI aint the corp it was..The old timers have left..I have left..
It`s a whole new corp and the guys rocks..
Like the MF guy says, people smack without knowing anything and i know BYDI will show results on the contracts they get..
Keep it up BYDI, the smack is just another reason to show people..
And small contracts are always there..Those who cant hire MC go for smaller corp`s cause sometimes they just want to annoy them, not make em disband..
http://bydi.digilo.net/forum/ Ugluuk has great hair and a nice pink hat -Dyvim |

Witch Doctor
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.07.21 16:02:00 -
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Ooooooook .... in the spirit of getting the thread back on topic:
Could the BYDI folks give some examples of their most recent contracts? Things like what the objective was, how the terms were structured, how many pilots were involved, the results, etc. I think that would help would-be employers understand your capabilities and maybe give some not-so-rich carebears some ideas of how they can use you for some limited engagements.
It seems to me that your target market are the mid-size corps that probably haven't hired mercs before. It may help to make them comfortable with what the process is and what they'll get for their isk.
Personally, I think there's a lot of potential out there for smaller empire contracts - there are quite a few infested low-sec systems that could use some pirate cleansing, and grief wars happen all the time. Best of luck to you guys.
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Golan Trevize
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.21 17:22:00 -
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Swthren keep up the sensible posting ...... Ugluuk .........Prolly a good thing for BYDI u left.
The Gallente ideals of Freedom, Liberty and Equality will be met by the Amarr realities of Lasers, Armor and Battleships.
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.07.21 19:16:00 -
[47]
Swethren's post is excellent. Bravo.
El Yatta, you were doing fine until this:
Originally by: El Yatta Oh, and Drax, get a grip, the tinfoil hat stuff wasnt funny when it started, wasnt funny when Seleene used it to inflate his ego, and isnt funny now.
M8, we didn't start it. It is funny from our point of view. So your opinion differs. So what? My ego is just fine without any tinfoil hattery. If it annoys you, imagine how we feel about it? If we didn't have a sense of humor about it... sigh. Just leave any personal crap out of it. It serves no purpose.
Ugluuk, your reading of our killboard is... interesting, but lends nothing at all to this discussion really. If I could, I'd lock you and Eye in a room together because both of you in a thread is never a good thing.  -
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Ugluuk
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Witch Doctor Ooooooook .... in the spirit of getting the thread back on topic:
Could the BYDI folks give some examples of their most recent contracts? Things like what the objective was, how the terms were structured, how many pilots were involved, the results, etc. I think that would help would-be employers understand your capabilities and maybe give some not-so-rich carebears some ideas of how they can use you for some limited engagements.
It seems to me that your target market are the mid-size corps that probably haven't hired mercs before. It may help to make them comfortable with what the process is and what they'll get for their isk.
Personally, I think there's a lot of potential out there for smaller empire contracts - there are quite a few infested low-sec systems that could use some pirate cleansing, and grief wars happen all the time. Best of luck to you guys.
I can post it tommorow from last contract
http://bydi.digilo.net/forum/ Ugluuk has great hair and a nice pink hat -Dyvim |

Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:06:00 -
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Just wodnering, why did bydi contact me threating me ot take my war dec of this other corp (citizens of earth) and when we said "**** off" yous didn't war dec us but instead left us alone? 
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Moghydin
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2006.07.21 21:17:00 -
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I think, Kaeten, it's because the contract agreement with Citizens of Earth was never reached in the end.
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oodin
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2006.07.21 22:20:00 -
[51]
kaeten.we never treatend you and you didnt say **** off!we was asked to dec you and decided it wasnt in our interest as we had other stuff to handle.they then asked if i could send a mail asking for you to retract so i said i dont think that will do much good but i can do that.then the moron sends me 200 mil and says he now bought our service so we have to come.wich you now of from other topics :)and that was that.
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Draximus Cane
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.07.22 07:07:00 -
[52]
Jeeez you guys take things waaay to serious!
Its a game room for everyone, BYDI wil lbe sucessfull if they get hires, and can co-ordiante the team, AND still keep it fun to lead and fun for the team
And MR Yadda Yadda, I will continue to use the bobissmc theme, when and where I see fit, I understand you may not think it's funny, but light relief is important to us as we are regually accused of being BOB,ISS,ASCN,(insert current flavour of the month).
You chose the small empire merc life, I chose the Alliance capable team, its just a different level of play
Drax
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Ugluuk
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 09:55:00 -
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Edited by: Ugluuk on 22/07/2006 10:05:28 Witch Doctor asked for last contract results/objectives so here goes..
Contract duration: 2 weeks Target: Universal Army,The Older gamers Members: UA was 160 TOG was 230 Place: Low sec
Bydi had 38 including alt`s..
Object: Harras them,Disrupt their Empire operations and get their pvp`ers into empire for 2 weeks
After 3 days it got expanded to include everyone in the area who attacked us with those guys in their "loose" alliance..
Bydi had the whole corp moved down there to participate in the war.. One guy didn`t show and did his own stuff so he left the corp on his own before we kicked him..
They used both dread and carrier against us so it was a hard contract but we did very good imo..
Result`s of war:
Kills and losses :
BS: 36 - 6
Hac: 6 - 2
BC: 17 - 4
AF: 4 - 1
Cov op: 2 - 1
Ceptor: 5 - 0
Cruiser: 18 - 5
Stealth Bomber: 1 - 2
Frigs: 52 - 9
Elite hauler: 1 - 0
Hauler: 4 - 0
Barge: 1 - 0
Destroyer 2 - 1
Pods: 29 - 1
Noob/shuttle 7 - 0
Fighter Drones 12 ________________________ : 185 - 32
War ended after 1,5 week as they stopped fighting back and also formed a real alliance.. Contractor was more than happy with the result.. After agreeing to cancel the rest of the contract we were gonna go back to take down their pos when we had qualified Dread pilots..
But Martinus Crimson left BYDI and got his new corp Contraband to go down and do it before BYDI managed to get enough people trained for dread..
Tnx mate..hehe
There was many good fights and lots of respect to Jaroswe and his guys for meeting us face to face many times..
http://bydi.digilo.net/forum/ Ugluuk has great hair and a nice pink hat -Dyvim |

Ugluuk
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 10:15:00 -
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To those who say it was best for Bydi that i left..
Ofc it is..
I have done my part..I wanted to make a corp people knew about..
The whole BYDI vs MC thing was a choice i did to get publicity for us..
We got hired once when we had 11 members.. 250 mill to attack MC..No one else wanted that but we took it cause it was good pr..
I got some pretty lame mails about where to go bla bla and i chose to follow up..
No disrespect to MC for what they have done and achieved and Seleene always got interesting stuff to post which i lub reading..
Bydi got known, those who fought us back respected us..
But it is funny to see it from my view..
I was in Reikoku and Snigg..I killed lots of people but no one outside BOb nad SNigg knew who i was..
Then Wild Rho told me..Soften up on the reputation mate.. Good guys dont get known, they die to be forgotten..
So i stopped being mr nice guy and forum *****d and got into argues..
Now people know who i am and i cant say i regret..
Only problem is, i stayed in the assh0le attitude so Golan is right..Best for Bydi that i left cause i love to argue..If icant i make something to argue about..
All i know is, on contract BYDI gives it all..And best of all.Im gone..
http://bydi.digilo.net/forum/ Ugluuk has great hair and a nice pink hat -Dyvim |

oodin
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2006.07.22 11:20:00 -
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you can never be forgotten as your crazy vids with insane setups are mandatory viewing for all new members ..ugluuk is not in our ranks anymore but the BYDI ticker is something we all fly under with pride.not because of ug,but because there are some truly great guys in the corp he once formed and we will continue to fly and die all in the name of fun www.bydi.org
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.07.24 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: oodin kaeten.we never treatend you and you didnt say **** off!we was asked to dec you and decided it wasnt in our interest as we had other stuff to handle.they then asked if i could send a mail asking for you to retract so i said i dont think that will do much good but i can do that.then the moron sends me 200 mil and says he now bought our service so we have to come.wich you now of from other topics :)and that was that.
so yuo took 200mill and didn't return it? 
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EvilNate
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.24 12:59:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Kaeten
Originally by: oodin kaeten.we never treatend you and you didnt say **** off!we was asked to dec you and decided it wasnt in our interest as we had other stuff to handle.they then asked if i could send a mail asking for you to retract so i said i dont think that will do much good but i can do that.then the moron sends me 200 mil and says he now bought our service so we have to come.wich you now of from other topics :)and that was that.
so yuo took 200mill and didn't return it? 
It was returned.
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Der Pfaffe
Karnival of Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.07.24 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
Originally by: El Yatta Edited by: El Yatta on 20/07/2006 17:30:36
Originally by: Eyeshadow
Not to mention small fry merc work is pretty much dead (if it was ever really alive). You gotta be able to hit alliances in 0.0 and do some real damage (kill cap ships/POS etc). Killing a few nubs in empire no longer cuts it in the merc business.
Be honest now, what would you know about that? You yourselves confess you dont do the small fry stuff any more, so I dont see where you get your opinion on that market from. There are literally dozens of newbie and small merc corps registering themselves at the merc thread each month - and I should know, I'm running it and struggling to fit them all into the very limited post character count, while still in alphabetical order! The small time market is overcrowded, not dead due to lack of interest.
It is the top end of the market, the killing POS/capships/really hurting alliances that is very slow, purely due to lack of competition and sizeable merc entities to take those jobs on, and counter them when they are.
Coz killing 3 months old nublets in empire doesn't make you neither well paid, nor famous and sooner or later good people will leave you and join other corps. Remember what happened to KIA while BoB "contract"... just because they could not bring it in 0.0 and could not hurt them in empire.
90% of "mercs" maybe get paid what wardec cost and not even 1 isk more, if that. And honestly, very very few merc corp can do something in 0.0 these days, and well established alliances will still escort freighters into and out of empire while mercs will just log/dock/hide/run for the hills at that time.
To conclude: mercs are waste of isk, unless if you have plan and hire MC.
Well you've left PA and joined BOB, but you still haven't got a clue. At some point in your eve career KIA must have really smacked your botty hard because it is still smarting as you somehow manage to drag them into every thread that mentions mercs and speak negatively about them. As for the infamous KIA-BOB contract, you again manifest your total ignorance of what actually happened. I'd suggest you speak with some of the older and wiser members of BOB before you spout your usual verbal diarrhea. You also seem to be under the impression that Mercs do it for the money. I very much doubt that any merc has done or is doing it for the money. They are doing it for the role play and the fun, (well I am )
As for "small fry merc work" being dead I would beg to differ. Our small merc corp have had some nice Empire and 0.0 contracts that have been great fun and quite well paid. Not all clients want you to go and destroy pos's or capital ships etc. Because that is what you do as merc corp/alliance doesn't mean that everything else is Bollix or not worthwhile.
As already mentioned we have also been contracted by alliances against alliances in 0.0. The client doesn't expect us to destroy the target but generally to cause as much mayhem and disruption as possible.
With a different account I was a member of BYDI when they were mercs the first time. They were professional then and did what they were what they were paid to do and I am sure it will be no different this time round. I wish them all the best.
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Sjoor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 14:05:00 -
[59]
So the op left bydi.
GL on contracts anyways.
Oh and always nice to fight ex-bydi members, being ex-bydi.
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EvilNate
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 15:42:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Sjoor So the op left bydi.
GL on contracts anyways.
Oh and always nice to fight ex-bydi members, being ex-bydi.
Sjoor
I am the OP, I traded my char.
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