A rousing call to arms for a cause as rotted as the corpse of the man who launched this war of Caldari aggression. The State built its strength on the mercenary motives of its worst profiteers and its basest charlatans. That, and the intervention of one defeated Nullsec powerbloc after another seeking to lick their wounds and thinking the Gallente to be easy prey.

Now, we see those same nullsec vultures abandoning the pitiful remnants of the State Protectorate, and joining our ranks with turned cloaks and a rack full of warp core stabilizers. Pathetic, really.

You clearly don't know me. Hell, ask just about any of the other Caldari who frequent the IGS.

I do not hate the Caldari. To hate is an irrational act that puts one on a path that ends in the destruction of one's self with far more certainty than the destruction of the object of one's hatred. So I do not fight to see the destruction of the Caldari State, or its People. I fight in defense of the Federation. I fight in the name of its Citizens who face the threat of annihilation with every waking day.

When the Caldari offer peace, when they recind their threat of devastation against Gallente homes, I will welcome that day. Until then, the State will pay the price for their tyranny in blood.

Excerpt: Personal Log; Rinai Vero

You clearly don't know me. Hell, ask just about any of the other Caldari who frequent the IGS.

Lady, I'll do whatever you want me to do if you give me copious amounts of Mindflood.

I do have to admit, this post by Diana Kim is one of the most well written she's ever made. It's actually quite impressive of a speech. Granted, I refused to listen to it in her actual voice, but it's still an impressive speech for her.

You know what's more impressive?

What isn't mentioned in the speech. Not even once.

I do have to admit, this post by Diana Kim is one of the most well written she's ever made. It's actually quite impressive of a speech. Granted, I refused to listen to it in her actual voice, but it's still an impressive speech for her.

She must have hired a speechwriter.


As I have said before, this proxy war is meaningless. Capsuleers are only fighting over border worlds and even if they take them all, aren't allowed to push the front, and they aren't really assisting the navies since they aren't in a state of open hostilities. It's all just a game by CONCORD to keep capsuleers occupied.

Too long didn't read.

I see gallenteans still can't respect neither other cultures, nor other heroes, just because they were fighting for their people, who were oppressed by gallenteans.
And neither gallenteans respect facts, forgetting that Caldari attacked them because of outrageous gallentean racism towards Caldari population on Caldari prime and unability (or lack of desire?) of Gallentean police force to protect Caldari peoples.

A lecture on cultural respect from someone who's very reason for being is the complete destruction of another culture.... Funny world we live in....

As I have said before, this proxy war is meaningless. Capsuleers are only fighting over border worlds and even if they take them all, aren't allowed to push the front, and they aren't really assisting the navies since they aren't in a state of open hostilities.

This has, more or less, also become my view. In order to actively participate with any meaning, a capsuleer must either use it simply as a day job, be bored out of their minds, or fueled by enough vapid hate that they can be convinced they are still fighting for something greater than themselves. If a genuine war were to erupt, daily patriots on both sides would pause their entire lives and come rushing out to defend their own. Until then, it is just another day job for those that enjoy it.

For those of us who seek some connection to the State, it is all we have, Jace. Unless you consider butchering hordes of hapless Gurista in highsec to be, in any way, a favour to the Navy.

I can understand that position. As for me and mine, the connection has begun to be made through business and friendships more than warfare - proto or otherwise. I have been out of the capsule for several months handling the details and logistics of switching my parent Mega. It takes a significant shift in viewpoints to take that step, commit to that decision.

I do not criticize Patriots for their enduring values, merely the tendency to shun those who do not join them in the territorial disputes.

On a side note, it has been a long time. I hope our paths cross sometime soon. Much has transpired.

I'm glad to hear you doing so well. I well remember the shock of having to transition from Suuvee to Kaalakiota. It's a shock to the system. A lot of things to relearn.

Either you don't understand me, or you're lying to save face.

Allow me to refresh your memory.



Perhaps you should keep such vitriol off your public profile if you're going to protest claims of warmongering nationalism, hmmm?

When the Caldari offer peace I will meet them in friendship. Until then I meet them in space.

[I'm supposed to be what? Ashamed that I have said publicly and repeatedly that when the Caldari offer peace I will meet them in friendship? Until then I meet them in space.

I'm fairly sure that once Jinari's hurt feelings subside, she'll realise I was talking about being a combat pilot and not an industrialist.

I don't go around calling for the destruction of the State or the Caldari people. I don't call Caldari culture evil and corrupting.

True enough, Jace. If I thought militia service was worth a damn, I'd be involved myself.

Within the same breath contradictions abound. This must be some of that legendary Gallentean double-speak I hear so much about.

I think Mindflood is illegal in the State.

I however can help you in regard to our... distribution channels. Drop me a mail, dear.

Honestly I'm amazed to witness so much attention on the thing. I wrote it several years ago before the Battle of Caldari Prime. Perhaps some of the references are better suited to that context than they are to the present day. I'm sure I can find something equally as titillating to your sense of outrage in my recent logs.

Dear Diary,

Today I was a warmonger and my brother was boring. Then I was kidnapped by Dragonaurs never to be heard from again. It was the best day ever.

Excerpt, Personal Log: Rinai Vero

This sentiment is an illustration of what my initial post was meant to address. It seems to me that the Caldari Militia has very few Caldari patriots among its ranks these days. For years they have been buoyed by Nullsec opportunists, Mercs, and profiteers. They welcomed this influx and exploited it, now their strength has rotted away.

Unfortunately the FDU is now rife with these same scum. We will need to be vigilant not to share the same fate as the Caldari.

A lecture on cultural respect from someone who's very reason for being is the complete destruction of another culture.... Funny world we live in....

This has, more or less, also become my view. In order to actively participate with any meaning, a capsuleer must either use it simply as a day job, be bored out of their minds, or fueled by enough vapid hate that they can be convinced they are still fighting for something greater than themselves. If a genuine war were to erupt, daily patriots on both sides would pause their entire lives and come rushing out to defend their own. Until then, it is just another day job for those that enjoy it.

I've never been part of the militia and yet I feel rather deeply connected to the State. I've set up manufacturing lines, laboratories, hauled staggering amounts of materials and finished products through-out the State and outside of it. I've reached my hand into the waterfall of ISK and taken my share, commensurate with my efforts and investment.

I'm supposed to be what? Ashamed that I have said publicly and repeatedly that when the Caldari offer peace I will meet them in friendship? Until then I meet them in space.

I have told you SEVERAL times already, that I don't WANT to destroy gallentean culture, but only to quarantine it from infecting healthy cultures, but nooo~
What enters one your ear leaves immediately from another, without leaving anything in your stiff soaked with gallentean propaganda brain.

JAIJII GO HOME and take your filthy democracy with you. Sit there tight, not trying to take our worlds and don't tell us what to do in our worlds. Only then we will offer you peace.

While at least one gallentean occupant will reside on Caldari soil, gallenteans will keep dying.

So, the Federation must not be destroyed?

and as long as you keep killing Gallente citizens, the Federation will keep responding aggressively. There's a pattern here somewhere, see if you can find it.

Bonus round: give a reasonable approach to solving this problem. ( destroying the Federation is not reasonable. You simply don't have the manpower or military might to do it.)

In other words, doing whatever you wanted, while insulting Caldari heroes and stopping supplying the war effort of whole Caldari nation.
You wasn't just part of militia.
You wasn't part of the State.

Federation must be destroyed. But the Federation is an agressive ppower-hungry dehumanising fascist political entity, that has committed lots of military crimes.
Gallentean culture is... well, it is a way how gallentean live their lives. It may actually lack culture, and it is instead soaked with individualism, hedonism, lechery and indecency, but it is their lives. What they do on their worlds is neither my, nor other Caldari business.

Of course, until they start bringing their crap to our doors. And if you want to try to do this too, prepare your nose for meeting with Caldari jackboot!

Puts isk in the wallet and feeds the crew though.

In a sense, Diana is right. The Gallente continuously seek to seize the worlds of Black Rise whilst holding onto their own bloated territories. There is a cause there, for those who desperately need one. Sure, Concord ensures that it's a war that can never be won, and their generous pay days mean that the profiteers outnumber the patriots, so that the sides waver and twist continuously, but there are real people out there and real territory changes hands - enough that there's a semblance of purpose.

Those worlds, that are in warzone, are Caldari worlds. There live, or lived Caldari people and Caldari families have their home.
In the State, we all are kirjuun, and we fight for each other, and help each other. If the calamity comes to home of one Caldari, others will help. We fight for the good of the many. And this is Caldari way.

Those, who believe that this is just "proxy" war, and that these worlds are "not important", they are not Caldari, they are jaijii, whose homes, hearts and souls are far away from Caldari domain.

Caldari will keep fighting, until the last remnants of gallentean occupants will be gone completely from all the worlds of Caldari people.

my sweet diana kim...you and I should make a 24h love ride in a 0-G Chamber...it would get some tension out of you...We Gallenteans dident forget Tibus Heth`s iligal attack on gallentean space. And the liberation of oure homesystem from your occupation forces. We allways give you a hand in friendship, but you Caldarians spit on it. Your race is so pafetic. instead of pooring trillions of isk towards battleship productions, spend that amount on good housing and some freedom and liberty.

I can't hear you over our amazing uniform standard of housing, education, healthcare and quality of life.

I can't hear you over our amazing uniform standard of housing, education, healthcare and quality of life.

Come now Pieter, we both know conditions in the State weren't exactly reminiscent of a Paradise of Milk & Honey before Heth's war. Structural economic problems threatening those programs exist in the State, and persist today. Its why Ishukone was negotiating for a history making level of economic partnership with the Federation before the disaster at Malkalen.

I'm sure you also recall that the Federation extended that same offer to Heth, and what his reply was.

We should all remember that there have been grievances on all sides, but there have also been noble efforts towards cooperation.

As for the efficacy of the CEWPA War, we Gallente learned a harsh lesson when the State Protectorate was able to conquer and hold the entirety of Federation territory within the Warzone. We have no desire to see history repeat itself with Provist thugs imposing communications blackouts and whole worlds being auctioned for economic exploitation. I for one have no tolerance for the free exercise of basic democratic franchise being denied to my fellow Citizens again. So I will fight to control as much of the warzone as possible, and fight to see the State Protectorate is kept on the run and their capability to threaten Gallente security stamped out.

Be assured, if there are abuses of authority in Caldari systems as a result of FDU occupation I will speak out against those. I will take action against those in the Federation who undermine our ideals by oppressing others.

It's necessary to remember his early successes when we denigrate his later failings - you know that I was one of the first to speak out about those, Rinai.

"Stopping supplying"? Sweetie, the sheer amount of ships and ammunition I've delivered to the warzone and STPRO staging areas in particular is rather likely to be far in excess of the amount of ships you've destroyed. When not delivering there, I've delivered to the biggest market the State has to offer, Jita. (Where, by the way, I pay significant amounts in tax.)

I think SuuVee (who got me into the pod in the first place) considers my capsuleer career to be a rather sound investment.

Reminds me, I should expand my portfolio. Perhaps half and half SuuVee and minor endeavors.

So you do wish to destroy Gallente culture. The Federation is as intrinsic to Gallente culture as God is to the Amarr culture. You can't destroy one without destroying the other. So much for respecting other cultures huh?

I can't disagree with this. I can at least hold some grudging respect for men and women like Diana Kim who fight out of a sense of duty to their nation and wish to protect said nation, even if I feel the methods are misguided.

It would be incorrect to say that I think the worlds are unimportant. I would very much prefer Black Rise not be under threat by Federation aligned groups, but the war as a whole is a sham. CONCORD isn't going to allow anybody to actually permanently secure those systems for the State, and the war front constant moves back and forth in a clearly delineated area. You can't sue for peace by putting pressure on the other party by driving into their space because you can't cross the lines CONCORD has drawn in the sand. Given that, this "war" has no hope of actually achieving anything.

I can't disagree with this. I can at least hold some grudging respect for men and women like Diana Kim who fight out of a sense of duty to their nation and wish to protect said nation, even if I feel the methods are misguided. Unfortunately most of the combatants are mere profiteers, and while I wouldn't go so far to say mercenaries are bad (they serve a purpose and at least some can be somewhat honorable individuals), it's something of a raw deal for the inhabitants of those systems who have to change their flag every other week just because a great many individuals think it's a good way to gain money and entertainment.

I can agree that I would much prefer the Federation not try and gain influence in Black rise, but if I am not mistaken, that theater also contains nominally Gallente systems, and the State has no more business being there than the Federation has to be in Caldari systems.

"Storm Wind"

Why does that term ring a bell? I can't quite pin it down though....

It is not CONCORD's duty to defend these systems after their occupation will be lifted, it is Caldari duty.
What we could achieve, is to push out gallentean occupants from our worlds, and this should be our goal number one. The second goal would be to maintain patrols and defending our colonies from further attacks by gallentean occupants.

Caldari shouldn't rely on CONCORD, because we are soldiers, all of us. And we will be securing these systems, not CONCORD.

For some people, it might seem to be "impossible burden" to keep defending our territories, and I can say only one thing about these peoples: Shame to them!

I feel like this : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2906627#post2906627 should be a perfect addition to your portfolio, so everyone would know that by dealing with you, they are dealing with traitor of the State.

I never said we should rely on CONCORD. In fact I would very much prefer it is CONCORD would stop interfering all the time. Supposedly they exist to mediate peace between the empires, but not only have they repeatedly failed at that mission, they are the ones who set up the proxy war and had the empires create capsuleer militias, and I see no signs of them stopping it.

The State should secure its own borders; my point was that CONCORD is deliberately making that a nearly impossible task by encouraging and legitimizing invasion, and preventing State forces from permanently securing the area.

Yes, it should be part of my portfolio. One of the proudest moments of my life, in fact. Standing true to the ideals of the State and my parent Mega, when the State itself was in a situation where it most certainly weren't adhering to the same ideals and principles. My State rose to the occasion and purged the corruption, much in part to those who knuckled up.

My own contributions to the Heth debacle were exceedingly minor given that I am a very small fish in a very big pond, but this little fish stood tall that day, alongside a lot of good men and women - citizens all - who finally couldn't bear seeing their State tore down like that any more.

It's a pity you never rose to the occasion. I think the State could use someone like you if only you had ever woke up from your mad little dreams.

Only in the Federation can one talk of fighting for freedom while realizing the manifest destiny of its military industries to restrict liberties and spy on its own citizens in the name of security.

It sounds an awful lot like you're assuming the other governments don't do this....

Loyalty to the State means amongst other things protecting it from its enemies. Those without, and those within. Heth became an enemy of the State...

It sounds an awful lot like you're assuming the other governments don't do this....

The State, generally, doesn't talk of 'fighting for freedom' except in limited cases. We're also very up front as to limits on liberties and privacy.

It's not the actions, Claudia, it's the hypocrisy.

I find it odd the talk of treason when I at least was given a standard Caldari State issued corporate Clearance Document upon being registered under the auspices of CONCORD. The description of which exists in SCC databases as:

These documents clear the holder from numerous by-laws and responsibilities within the Caldari State and abroad.

They are issued to capsuleers, who typically operate above the law and are accountable to few people. All this document does is formalize that reality, and as such, is entirely redundant and pointless.

As such it logically follows that any Caldari capsuleer granted their Clearance Documents operating within the CONCORD regulatory framework cannot ever be held to the legal charge of treason in any form whatsoever insofar as they are not held accountable to the laws of the Caldari State or a Corporate Court.

This certainly diminishes any accusations of treason on the IGS against a Caldari capsuleer as being nothing more than, "I disagree with your opinion, therefore you are a traitor (somehow)."

Publius Valerius: "There are two great powers in New Eden: One are the forces of freedom and the others are the forces of order, and both sides fought against each other until finally the forces of evil triumph."
Gallente empyrean: "What you talking about? The forces of freedom triumph."
Publius Valerius: "Thats is exactly what I meant."

-Publius Valerius in a discussion about empyreans.*

I'll admit the Federation isn't living up to its reputation as a bastion of liberty, but it is still a nation where we have the right to get angry and do something about it. Not bow our heads to corporate overlords or an emperor and take it. We still have the choice, and in light of having the Caldari drop a titan on our heads without warning, we choose to endure the hypocrisy for the moment.

At the risk of repeating a conversation that we've all heard and participated in FAR too often, that Titan came there because the Federation brought it there, Claudia. How they ever thought they could get away with stealing the Homeworld of a sovereign people beggars belief.

Look at what the Matari did to get their Home back. Why did you think we wouldn't get as far for ours?

At the risk of repeating a conversation that we've all heard and participated in FAR too often, that Titan came there because the Federation brought it there, Claudia. How they ever thought they could get away with stealing the Homeworld of a sovereign people beggars belief.

Look at what the Matari did to get their Home back. Why did you think we wouldn't get as far for ours?

I don't recall any Intaki threatening to blow up entire planets when the Caldari sold off our home to the highest bidder.

I find it odd the talk of treason when I at least was given a standard Caldari State issued corporate Clearance Document upon being registered under the auspices of CONCORD. The description of which exists in SCC databases as:

These documents clear the holder from numerous by-laws and responsibilities within the Caldari State and abroad.

They are issued to capsuleers, who typically operate above the law and are accountable to few people. All this document does is formalize that reality, and as such, is entirely redundant and pointless.

As such it logically follows that any Caldari capsuleer granted their Clearance Documents operating within the CONCORD regulatory framework cannot ever be held to the legal charge of treason in any form whatsoever insofar as they are not held accountable to the laws of the Caldari State or a Corporate Court.

I don't recall any Intaki threatening to blow up entire planets when the Caldari sold off our home to the highest bidder.

Just sayin', there were more options than "give up" and "kill everybody and everything if we don't get what we want (and maybe still do that anyway if we do get what we want)".

Okay, damn you, we'll have this conversation AGAIN then...

Of course Heth was the first man to order an orbital bombardment of Caldari Prime, right? Oh no, wait... I believe the Federation ordered and carried out weeks long bombardments, didn't they? Of civilian targets. Shooting down unarmed freighters crammed with civilians.

In any case, the Senate sold off Intaki to the highest bidder when they made it part of the CEWPA warzone, not the Caldari. The fact that your Homeworld is placed in such a ridiculous position is certainly NOT the fault of the Caldari State

You do your State a disservice by denying it recognition of the independence and agency it has fought so hard to achieve for itself.

You do your Federation an equal disservice when you deny it control over which of it's systems it gave up to the CEWPA carousel.

And this is the problem. Everyone says that things would improve if we just talked but, frankly, some of you have the emotional maturity of a blueberry scone. Perhaps Diana is right - one big war to settle it for once and all.

Yeah. Big wars have tended to end grudges and lead to great stuff. I mean, just look at... oh...

People are making the mistake of assuming those in charge are just as infantile as those involved in this particular discussion.

Bet they are, they're just not as public about it...... Except the Senate, they can get downright juvenile on the debate floor.....

In the case of the great patriotic war?
Unity, Integrity, Independence and Sovereignity.
This can, without doubt, equally be used outside the context of this thread to describe a certain rebellion.

Everyone says that things would improve if we just talked but, frankly, some of you have the emotional maturity of a blueberry scone.

This criticism brought to you by the man who praises the pain and suffering inflicted upon people defending themselves and others from genocidal invaders, and who advocated on behalf of said genocide in pursuit of making sure the right pieces of cloth are planted on a very specific body of dirt.

The difference between your people and mine, dear boy, is that when my people were told to fire from orbit on civilian targets, they said 'No.'

Now, if you would start thinking logically yourself, you would realize that part "accountable to few people" signifies coverage of the statement, and, obviously, these "few people" aren't authorities in the State.

However, unlike outcasts as yourself, there are still many peoples who hold their citizenship papers and still serve the State and not their little egos. When you hold citizenship paper, it makes you accountable to the corporation that issued the said paper, and thus you will answer to laws of the parent corporation as a paper holder.

You have said in the past that the reclamation of Caldari Prime, nothing more nothing less, was the only goal of the Caldari. You're wrong; which is a shame, because that would have been a very reasonable goal. The Caldari got a taste of conquest and they liked it. They wanted more, and Heth lead them on to believe they deserved it and they could take it. I'm sure I don't need to tell you that ambitions of claiming the whole of Luminaire were not exactly kept discreet.

The reclamation of Caldari Prime is the only thing that kept the State united over our two centuries of existence.

I'd actually recommend heading down there sometime. I was privileged to be able to visit the Kaalakiotas before a titan fell on them, but there's plenty more places on Home that are worth the visit. It's a big planet. Even if you're not a spiritual person, it's nice to feel some kind of connection to the place.

I'd actually recommend heading down there sometime. I was privileged to be able to visit the Kaalakiotas before a titan fell on them, but there's plenty more places on Home that are worth the visit. It's a big planet. Even if you're not a spiritual person, it's nice to feel some kind of connection to the place.

Pingeluns, I tell ya. I'd advocate nuking from space, but they already dropped a titan on them and it didn't work, so I'm staying where it's safe. In space. With the blasters and the missiles and the smartbombs and reasonable stuff.

I can understand that sort of connection, but as a born and bred spacer, I doubt any dirtside location holds much for me other than several thousand new pathogens and weird fauna. I trust all my inoculations, but I can't really see myself coping well on a planet without tightly controlled atmospherics and life support systems.

Also, Pengulins. Oh yeah, I remember those freakish monsters from the last time they were linked.

...are you talking about the small flightless waddling birds that eat fish?

... you are fscking with me.

This is me nopeing the hell out of this thread.

The important thing to remember is that the Megacorps are amoral first
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They're out to turn a profit, and will do everything they legally can and, often, whatever the illegally can get away with without regard specifically for morality
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"nice guy" Ishukone.
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The reason I have so much respect for the Mens Reppola administration

Actually, both my corporate citizenship and clearance documents are issued by Kaalakiota Corporation. I am only authorized as a citizen of the Caldari State when I issue specific requests for such recognition, usually only when I am required to enter a Kaalakiota corporate enclave whereupon it is reinstated for the duration of my time spent within such territory. In all other cases as a capsuleer operating under the legal jurisdiction of CONCORD and the DED my Kaalakiota Corporate Citizenship remains rescinded as per issued clearance documents by Kaalakiota. As a CONCORD-DED regulated capsuleer I would exist only in the Caldari State as what is in effect an individually incorporated limited liability corporation registered to the SCC.

As such:

1. I can only be charged with treason under the Kaalakiota corporate criminal codes at a time and place when I am reinstated as a Kaalakiota citizen on Kaalakiota territory.

2. In my operations as an SCC registered corporation under CONCORD-DED regulations I could hypothetically be brought before the Caldari Business Tribunal. I cannot however be charged with Treason as a corporation as it remains a criminal charge under Megacorporate criminal codes not the Company Law of the Caldari State.

Upon such elaboration, my earlier statement that accusations against a Caldari capsuleer of treason are diminished to the point of being laughable I believe still remains valid. Because a Caldari capsuleer granted their clearance documents is legally not an individual or corporate citizen liable to criminal prosecution as such. But only hypothetically as a company of which, "Treason" forms no part of CBT Law.

Even in the scenario in which a Caldari capsuleer may be legally charged with treason under a Megacorporate criminal code this would have to involve their reinstatement of corporate citizenship, while being on corporate territory and the charges brought forward by an authorized corporate officer.

Since no CONCORD-DED capsuleer on the IGS is empowered to act on the behalf of a Megacorporation as a member of a police-investigative or criminal prosecution section then yes, any accusations or allegations of Treason remain as I said, the province of personal opinion devoid of any real or actual authority.

Can't say I have much attachment to a planet I've never even seen with my own eyes, and will probably never set foot on. The State is many things to me. A rock is not one of the primary ingredients as far as I'm concerned.

The reclamation of Caldari Prime is the only thing that kept the State united over our two centuries of existence. It's our rallying cry, our mythology and religion is bound around the physical characteristics of the planet.

I think at this point in time Caldari Militia and it's mother empire should cut its loses and vacate Black Rise. They have no clear objective in that region.

I think at this point in time Caldari Militia and it's mother empire should cut its loses and vacate Black Rise. They have no clear objective in that region.

I just want to know who the hell Kim-baka paid to ghost write this piece. It sure didn't come from her addled mind.

I think at this point in time Caldari Militia and it's mother empire should cut its loses and vacate Black Rise.

They already have, along with Isoma and Ieyama.

Face it, you Caldari fedos. The Federation has won and conquered your puny militia. You stood no chance against their might. Ahahahahahaha!

We didn't want those systems anyway?

More like it's become impractical to hold them. And a waste of time to try, quite frankly, when our preferred combat style is to patrol them looking for targets. Do you want to 'orbit butan' for hour upon hour? I don't!

Let the horde of profiteers do that for whichever side they happen to be flying for this month.

Fair enough. Not my playground to roll around in.

There are two ways of making money in the warzone, Jinari. The first is to carefully and dilligently patrol within military complexes, trying frantically to stay awake for hour upon hour.

The second is to climb into your frigate, light the rear end and ride fire to where the green pinatas await. Then you hit them with your Caldari stick of Heiian and Tech Two loot comes spilling out.

You missed a fairly common third option that does not require being a member of either militia.

To be fair, we hunt pirates in the warzone too. More common than Feddies, half the time. But do pirates actually make money? They usually fly ridiculously blingy ships.

Frankly, it has always been impractical for a militia to hold systems in my opinion. This is the underlying problem with the proxy conflict. Militias are inherently inefficient and less effective, which makes holding systems largely pointless if there is no end in sight to the conflict. If there was a possibility of it ending, you can bet that people on both sides would come flooding out of the woodwork to be involved. But until then, it is just an incredible waste of time to try to organize such an inefficient force for temporary benefits.

This is a necessary war for both the State and Federation, but not for the cause of any real ideology, but rather that it satisfies certain interests of corporations on both sides of the conflict that wield significant power and influence. It is a mutually advantageous scenario for those that can grasp its benefits, and while I do not believe there will be a conclusion of the conflict in the short term, I can take solace in the fact that its further escalation would be detrimental to the interests of those involved, and those with power, that it should not occur.

Having particular economic benefits does not mean that it is a 'necessary war.' The economic resources involved could theoretically be applied elsewhere and reap similar benefits.

If the profits of war outweighs the costs of peace, then war should be pursued.

You are making an assumption about the relative cost-benefit ratio of the resources currently invested in the war being used elsewhere in peacetime.

And you were unable to outline your theory. Because the real investments of the CEWMPA conflict by its participants remain minimal so long as the majority of cost is carried by CONCORD freelancers and military contractors.

I never claimed to have a theory. My original post had nothing to do with economics. After your response, I have been merely pointing out your assumptions.

Perhaps my initial, shorter response I had in mind to your initial post would have made things clearer:

It is also just an incredible waste of time to try to organize those who profess the pointless platitudes of peace on the IGS so long as they fail to realize the actual reality of the CEWMPA conflict between State and Federation.

I agree that trying to organize virtually any opinion is pointless from the standpoint of results. Capsuleer opinion has very little impact in any particular direction. People do it for ideological reasons, not practical ones.

Nasty throat infection you've got there.

Besides, we already returned. Past tense. It's "Haajakin Taalen" now.

I think at this point in time Caldari Militia and it's mother empire should cut its loses and vacate Black Rise. They have no clear objective in that region.

I just want to know who the hell Kim-baka paid to ghost write this piece. It sure didn't come from her addled mind.

Frankly, it has always been impractical for a militia to hold systems in my opinion. This is the underlying problem with the proxy conflict. Militias are inherently inefficient and less effective, which makes holding systems largely pointless if there is no end in sight to the conflict. If there was a possibility of it ending, you can bet that people on both sides would come flooding out of the woodwork to be involved. But until then, it is just an incredible waste of time to try to organize such an inefficient force for temporary benefits.

Knowing this, I remain more than willing to watch and participate in deaths of millions under the CEWMPA war in the short-term when in the long-term it secures the strength and strategic interests of Kaalakiota, Wiyrkomi, Lai Dai and the wider State.

I am aware of how the system works. As I said before, I was merely pointing out some of your assumptions. Just as you have now once again assumed that the conflict is necessarily in the long-term strategic interests of the State. Maybe it is, maybe it is not - but you are merely assuming that it is purely because it has certain economic benefits. This says nothing about the possibility of economic and strategic benefits of the conflict being over.

Economic benefit translates into real power, both military and political -- that is not an assumption, that is fact.

anti-gallentean wharblegarble

I can just imagine Ms. Kim waking up in her hangar, walking over to use the toilet, accidentally stubbing her toe on the desk, and hopping around screaming "HELP!! GALLENTEANS ARE ATTACKING ME AGAIN!!!"

The amusement of her banality has long since worn thin. I have had her transmissions blocked for months. I must say it makes things much easier to not have to continually skip past her spam.

I can just imagine Ms. Kim waking up in her hangar, walking over to use the toilet, accidentally stubbing her toe on the desk, and hopping around screaming "HELP!! GALLENTEANS ARE ATTACKING ME AGAIN!!!"

It is also a fact that no event or circumstance is so simple as to contain nothing but economic benefit. There is always opportunity cost, political ramifications, and other factors at play. It is not as simple as you portray it to be.

Now I'm imagining Kim checking her ventilation ducts, drawers and closets for sneaky Gallente gutter runners.

Are you really that naive to fall for such blatant gallentean propaganda?

I don't know whats worse, hearing this same tired sword rattling or the fact that the first person to respond to it appears a Federate doppelganger of Ms. Kim

I hope for the Gallentean's sake I'm wrong.

Maybe we will, but not before all gallenteans there will be destroyed and send back in body bags.

Death to occupants!

Perhaps the Senate should start signing agreements with regional and local governments just like Intaki back when the Caldari had full control of the war zone.

Confirming Kim doesn't check her ventilation ducts for Gallente.... Yet. The video cameras I installed prove it.

Perhaps the Senate should start signing agreements with regional and local governments just like Intaki back when the Caldari had full control of the war zone.

How about you come to me to see yourself that there are no cameras?
At least, after I close and lock you there, I will know for sure that I have a gallentean in a ventilation duct.

Confirming Kimmy now checks her ventilation ducts.

Is that all you gallenteans can do? Crawl into bathrooms to spy?...

Nope. We can also juggle, stand on our heads and gargle peanut butter whilst singing the Caldari national anthem backwards in Jove, and party.... At the same time no less.

In other words: nothing useful or significant.

Sure, why not? No need to get into debates about our useful skills, your penchant for cognitive dissonance renders that kind of thing pointless...

More like ABSENCE of useful skills, that you hide under typical groundless immature gallentean insult.

And you hide behind groundless, ignorant assumptions.

My assumptions, unlike yours, are based on six years of close inspection of galletntean species and reflecting on their behavior!

Through a narrow glass put through several layers of filters.

Incorrect, I don't use your, minmatar, approach.

Why am I not surprised Kimmy completely rejects the basics of critical thinking?

Why am I not surprised Kimmy completely rejects the basics of critical thinking?

Because it's been plainly obvious from the very beginning?

In a word? Irritation.

It seems likely that giving in to your vexation further propels the irritant.

Entertainment in my case.

It is unfortunate that you are so facilely regaled.

Why would that be unfortunate? Many things amuse me. Would it be better that I was angered by her ignorance instead?

Why am I not surprised Kimmy completely rejects the basics of critical thinking?

Why would that be unfortunate? Many things amuse me. Would it be better that I was angered by her ignorance instead?

I would like to thank everyone, who came to help the State in the time when your help was needed the most.
It is always good to know, who were the real Caldari, and who are just pretending to be.

Today we have liberated Asakai from gallentean occupants, but many other systems are still under gallentean oppression. We all are looking towards the moment, when they will be pushed back to Villore or even further.

But for now, the War of Caldari people continues, and we must keep doing what all Caldari must do:

TO FIGHT.

Awesome job on that. We'll let you know when we want it back.

Awesome job on that. We'll let you know when we want it back.