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tiberiusric
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Posted - 2006.07.20 13:56:00 -
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hi,have just trained assault ships to 4 and small rail and blasters to t2.was wondering which is the most favoured assault frigate to use to pvp either solo or small gangs,and why.any race considered.
thanx
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Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.20 14:31:00 -
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The Ishkur is very popular for this, although the Harpy and Enyo are excellent too.
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babylonstew
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.20 14:33:00 -
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jag is teh pwn now 
kinda in love with mine at mo 
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.20 14:35:00 -
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Jagabond. I am looking for this BPO.
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Hal Drogo
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Posted - 2006.07.20 14:35:00 -
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Bearing in mind the rework on the minmatar AFs i would still point the Ishkur as the most promising ship i have flown.
However it requires a bit more skills imho considering at least drone interfacing 4 and combat drone operations 4.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.20 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: tiberiusric
hi,have just trained assault ships to 4 and small rail and blasters to t2.was wondering which is the most favoured assault frigate to use to pvp either solo or small gangs,and why.any race considered.
thanx
You can check the Crime & Punishment forum actually, i have a nice thread there with some statistics... not much, but a little. It includes all ships though.
Think it would be better in this channel actually. Going to request a move. 
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Talon Calais
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.24 03:39:00 -
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Edited by: Talon Calais on 24/07/2006 03:40:20
Ishkur solo:
2x ion
2x nos
AB
web
scram
SAR II
exp hardener
mag stab II
Drones: Mixed damage types T2 3x med, 2x light
Enyo Gang, this fits with AWU 4, hits for 100 per shot with higher skills.
4x Neutron II w/AM
1x Rocket launcher w/Phalanx or Thorn (if you have good missile skills the dps boost is acceptable)
AB
web/scram/cap recharger if you're not tackling
SAR II
3x Mag Stab II
1x T2 Light drone damage type that your launcher has.
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
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Posted - 2006.07.24 04:33:00 -
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Jag is fairly mean. There's a polethra of fits that work fairly well on it. Sadly, they're all close range...not sure arty would ever work on 1v1 frigateering.
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Foulis
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.24 05:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Jagabond. I am looking for this BPO.
yup.
and...
hehehe chsn ftw =D
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Matrices Sunbound
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Posted - 2006.07.24 06:21:00 -
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Jaguar is overrated as a solo platform. Useless optimal bonus for AC. And as with all AF, missing real bonus of "pre-applied resists."
Don't fool yourself, you cannot run around killing ratting BS with this ship unless the guy is an idiot and won't have backup for 10 minutes. It's still a frigate, with frigate limitations - weak firepower, easily jammed, easily droned, easily nossed. You might kill an ill-fitted cruiser or an interceptor that won't run, but even that is not guaranteed.
I 1v1 against a Taranis and I popped when he was in 20% structure. With two extenders, I don't think I hit him enough as he was orbiting me at ridiculous speeds and a ridiculous distance of ~300m. With one extender, I would have been dead far earlier in the game.
AF excel at NPCing and anti-support. As long as the Jaguar has the ******* stupid optimal bonus and as long as AF have no real 4th bonus they are otherwise inherently gimped.
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Cecil Montague
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.24 08:27:00 -
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The Retribution is great when paired with a maladiction or other long range inty.
On it's own though it does tend to suffer "I have you n.... oh you warped off. Pants!" syndrome.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.24 08:30:00 -
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"Pants!" is a REALLY cool exclamation.
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Serkis
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.24 08:47:00 -
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At the moment these are my top 3, Jaguar > Harpy > Ishkur. I would start with the harpy in your footsteps, it has great tank ability and nice dmg output plus some versatility setup-wise although it lacks speed compared to other AF¦s.
I¦m not sure others would agree but although you can fit 150mm rails I choose the 125mm because of better tracking and less fitting requirements.
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.24 09:17:00 -
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The Ishkur is a lovely ship, assuming you have high drone skills.
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Kyozoku
Loot
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Posted - 2006.07.24 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Cecil Montague
On it's own though it does tend to suffer "I have you n.... oh you warped off. Pants!" syndrome.
When you're having problems with stab monkeys it's fun to hop in a retri and them to death.
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Waragha
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Posted - 2006.07.24 10:30:00 -
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Imo all the assault ships are a bit slow(exception = jag) to use close range weapons. I would def go with the ishkur and some rails. Just try to stay out of harms way with it, if you are in a gang, let cruisers web and you can fit some ecm.
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Draugz
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Posted - 2006.07.24 10:56:00 -
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Enyo works great and doesn't require too much skilling.
One of my setups:
x4 t2 125mm w/Antimatter or Spike
x1 slot empty(no AWU yet)
Mwd, Scrambler
t2 Magstab, t2 SAR, t2 Adaptive nano plating, exp hardener/cpr.
t2 125mm's hardly miss and easily hitts for 60-90 without too much gunnery skills.
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Jogyn
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.24 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Matrices Sunbound
I 1v1 against a Taranis and I popped when he was in 20% structure. With two extenders, I don't think I hit him enough as he was orbiting me at ridiculous speeds and a ridiculous distance of ~300m. With one extender, I would have been dead far earlier in the game.
Try fitting a web instead of 2 extenders?
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EreB
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Posted - 2006.07.24 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jogyn
Originally by: Matrices Sunbound
I 1v1 against a Taranis and I popped when he was in 20% structure. With two extenders, I don't think I hit him enough as he was orbiting me at ridiculous speeds and a ridiculous distance of ~300m. With one extender, I would have been dead far earlier in the game.
Try fitting a web instead of 2 extenders?
/Signed....
2 extenders is too much ... too big sig radius for a frig.
Mwd Mshield Ext.II web 7.5k or
ABII Mshield Ext.II web 20k (not tested this but should work for bs tackling)
Also a Arty wolf + 2 webs = DEAD ceptors and most close range Afs. U just have to keep the Afs above 4-5k range... for the ceptors u let them come full speed and then when they turn to aproach u again with low speed u stop em(2 webs) and they are dead. no time to warp out no time to kill u. if they kill the mwd before they reach u ... stop them in the first pass either way they are dead.
For topic.. Ishkur if uhave maxed drone skills else Jaguar.
Jagabond is sweet nowdays
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EreB
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Posted - 2006.07.24 12:42:00 -
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Edited by: EreB on 24/07/2006 12:43:20
Originally by: Draugz
Enyo works great and doesn't require too much skilling.
One of my setups:
x4 t2 125mm w/Antimatter or Spike
x1 slot empty(no AWU yet)
Mwd, Scrambler
t2 Magstab, t2 SAR, t2 Adaptive nano plating, exp hardener/cpr.
t2 125mm's hardly miss and easily hitts for 60-90 without too much gunnery skills.
Mwd ? u sure ? i mean u will loose ur cap ASAP...
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Brother Tycho
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.24 12:53:00 -
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the Ishkur is the clear winner nos, takle and let drones do the work.
Now that the Vengance has lost its range Bonus its useless was alot better as a beam laser sniper even if beams have crazy fittings, at least there used to be one ship they were worth while fiting on.
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CB Cyrix
GeoTech
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Posted - 2006.07.24 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Brother Tycho
the Ishkur is the clear winner nos, takle and let drones do the work.
Now that the Vengance has lost its range Bonus its useless was alot better as a beam laser sniper even if beams have crazy fittings, at least there used to be one ship they were worth while fiting on.
The new vengence bonus is still to weak, needs to be 10% per level, after all its three guns. Its DPS is still low compared to all other assault frigs... If only it was 10% per level, people might start fearing it.
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Hellraiza666
Regeneration
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.07.24 14:31:00 -
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Enyo > all AFs.
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Brother Tycho
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.24 14:32:00 -
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if i was on the Dev team i woulda remade the vengance like this
2 low
4 med
5 high
4 launchers and 2 turrets
give it back its sheild hit pts and a flight time and EM dmg bonus with 5% cap recharge plus the other bonus to resists it get anyway.
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Grimpak
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.24 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Hellraiza666
Enyo > all AFs.
today I took a rail enyo into structure in my passive jagabond.
...too bad that that damned manticore was there too. I would've killed that enyo =|. instead I limped away and disengaged the enyo cuz they managed to break my 1800 shields with 65% avg resists jaguar =(
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Ismern
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.24 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Hellraiza666
Enyo > all AFs.
I owned an Enyo in my Ishkur. He barely took me into armor and I hadn't even initiated my repairer yet.
Ishkur -
3x 125mm Railgun II (Antimatter S)
1x Small 'Diminishing' Power System Drain
1x 1MN Afterburner II
1x Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor
1x Faint Epsilon Warp Prohibitor
1x Small Armor Repairer II
1x Energized Reactive Membrane II
1x Capacitor Power Relay I
2x T2 Medium Drones
3x T2 Light Drones
I've soloed against a battlecruiser. Unfortunately once he noticed he was losing he warped off as he had stabs.
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Talasan
Apocalypse Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.07.24 16:06:00 -
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jag and ishkur in my humble opinion
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Omega Bloodstone
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Posted - 2006.07.24 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Jag is fairly mean. There's a polethra of fits that work fairly well on it. Sadly, they're all close range...not sure arty would ever work on 1v1 frigateering.
Actually, Jag is pretty serious with 250's and 280 II's arties. I have had good success in 1v1 senerios. I had the same though thinking the AC was better but I have about the same win to loss ratio( mostly win AF vs AF, Jag is just plain nasty now ). If you have specialization to at least 4 and surgical strike 5 you can easily volly a ceptor with quake, if not put it to like 15% armor. Against other assult frigs one good hit and they tend to run from the 280 II's thinking this guy hits insane but not realizing how long its gonna be before another shot is fired.
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LeMoose
The Collective
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Posted - 2006.07.24 16:26:00 -
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guys dont be silly,
harpy with gist sb is da **** its > all frigs easy ( didnt say anything about price )
4x 125mm t2
1 em ward named
1 gist
1 20km faint
1 x5 web
2x magstabs II's
ive won enyos many times solo this way but never lost 
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CB Cyrix
GeoTech
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Posted - 2006.07.25 08:54:00 -
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Vengence has a reasonable tank, but being able to web + scram + tank means nothing when its damage is naff and its very slow. It also has cap issues with a 20km scram and/or a mwd.
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