The most recent release significantly decreased the relative advantage of T2 BPOs, so it's much less of a problem than it used to be.

Grandfathered advantages simply is not a good concept if you're trying to perpetually attract new players.

I'm 2-3 weeks in and non-eve people ask me if they will always be disadvantaged against vets. I explain how the skill system works and that you will eventually catch up to an old vet for your chosen interest/specialty. I just found it odd to see a grandfathered advantage, thus the question.

Though from what everyone is saying, it's not a big deal anymore.

*sigh*

T2 BPO are irrelevant because you are limited in the amount that can be manufactured with one BPO.

Any item that the market is dominated by T2 BPO has such low demand that it is really stupid bothering to invent.

BPO owners don't have a choice what they manufacture. Inventors do.

Not into the whole market stuff myself so i've no insight into your second question but you might try looking at you "Transaction" tab in your wallet for more specific information on your sale ect.

2. If I find something that sells well for a decent margin, but I can't keep up production, is the best course of action to fully research the BPO, makes copies and then use these multiple copies to run several manufacturing runs at the same time?

What I do is buy multiple BPOs. I have one in research and one in production. I rotate them until they are all at the research level needed.

Copies are for invention or sale and nothing else, in my opinion. They also are a waste of build slots. Take a capital cargo bay for example. The max runs you can have is 5 on a copy. But you might need 70 for a freighter. With a BPO you can do as many runs as you can fit into the 30 day limit. So one or two build slots with researched BPOs compared to 14 build slots with copies.

I haven't done much industry since the expansion so keep in mind that all I've said above could have changed completely. Someone will be quick to point it out if I have.

Mr Epeen

Makes sense, thanks.

Next market anomaly that I need to figure is why I occasionally see some of my goods sell above my sell price. Happened about three times today - buying a single item (not the whole lot) at a premium of what I was charging. I wonder if this is just rookie mistakes.

What I do is buy multiple BPOs. I have one in research and one in production. I rotate them until they are all at the research level needed.

Copies are for invention or sale and nothing else, in my opinion. They also are a waste of build slots. Take a capital cargo bay for example. The max runs you can have is 5 on a copy. But you might need 70 for a freighter. With a BPO you can do as many runs as you can fit into the 30 day limit. So one or two build slots with researched BPOs compared to 14 build slots with copies.

I haven't done much industry since the expansion so keep in mind that all I've said above could have changed completely. Someone will be quick to point it out if I have.

Mr Epeen

You can get about 25% more throughput from your BPO if you copy it and build from the copies (at the cost of tying up a science slot as well as 1.25 production slots).

Basically someone tried to buy from another player, in the same station, who was charging a higher price than you. The market automagically supplies them with one of your items, if it's the lowest priced sell order, at a premium price.

Other people not having sell orders sorted by value often results in extra profit

Honestly, who cares why they do it.

All you need to know, op, is to buy up anything that is below build cost and sit on it until you have the skills to reprocess it efficiently. Or just flip it for instant profit.

Mr Epeen

That could work if you have your own POS.

Else you need to add the production loss of (the last time I copied) months to make the copies. I heard it's changed now, but there used to be a month minimum line in the copy queue in my system. I'll need to look into it some before I can give a better answer.

What i will say though, is that an empty lab slot is a wasted slot. So if you have one sitting idle go ahead and run copies. I'd just not put priority on copies over research. I mostly buy my copies anyway since it takes forever to copy freighter BPs for invention. And capitals are all I really build right now.


Mr Epeen

It has changed; copy time is almost always 20% faster than build time now.

I can, for example, make 200 runs worth of copies of a cruiser in about 16 days (non-POS) or 8 days (POS). Prior to Crius this would have taken 42 days (non-POS) and some waiting time as well.

Yeah I was checking it out just today. Thought I'd run some copying in a few spare slots that opened up.

What a pleasant surprise.

Mr Epeen

I've underlined the main reason, for some bizarre reason some people think that the minerals they mine are free, they fail to take into account the market value of those minerals, or the opportunity cost of gathering them.

Excellent question by the way.

I dump stuff in market without looking at prices. I make most of my ISK ratting in null/WHs, I use the more valuable drops, or give to alliance mates, and everything else I kind of blindly sell just to spend as little time in high sec as possible. Am I losing out on ISK, definitely, but I really don't spend more than 30 min or so docked in Jita before jumping back out of the area.

I spend my time pew-pewing for bounties, my alt grabs the loot, and the salvage is up to whomever in the corp wants it. That is my general plan.

I dump stuff in market without looking at prices. I make most of my ISK ratting in null/WHs, I use the more valuable drops, or give to alliance mates, and everything else I kind of blindly sell just to spend as little time in high sec as possible. Am I losing out on ISK, definitely, but I really don't spend more than 30 min or so docked in Jita before jumping back out of the area.

I spend my time pew-pewing for bounties, my alt grabs the loot, and the salvage is up to whomever in the corp wants it. That is my general plan.

Just another industry question - I realize now that I am wasting too much time micromanaging my industrial output. By that, I mean I am running jobs for 24 hours, throwing the product up, and then start up new jobs for the next day. I'm thinking that maybe I should just set up jobs for a week duration and then just deal with it once a week as opposed to seven times a week. Time is money after all.

Curious how the vet industrialists manage their runs so that it doesn't eat too much of their time.

Time is money indeed, but when you'll have a pile of 570 rifters in your hangar waiting to be sold on the markets, well, consider that to be money as well. ;)

Be aware you will create huge stockpiles. They'll immobilize your capital. You'll have no monies for minnies, and you'll eventually want to dump your stock faster than the market can absorb it, and drive prices down.

I'd say, try 3 days long prod lines and see how you stock up.

Actually, it's all about playing the trade bots.

Say.. you wanna buy a very large stock of "stuff" but don't have time for 0.01 isk war with buy orders. Then sell 1 piece of "stuff" and sell it cheap. In just minutes the market bots will react and try to undercut you, eventually the whole market will crash in just minutes. Did this many times, works like a charm. Also, this method works with the buy orders too when you wanna unload stuff but the buy order prices are too low. This game is literally infested with bots...

I have not detected any evidence of trade bots in Dodixie on the items that would most attract them (huge volume items).

0.01 ISKing bots make different errors to those made by humans. I've detected a lot of the mistakes humans make, and none that are best explained by bots.

I know *very* good ways to steal billions from anyone using a trade bot and have tried them with no success (other than the odd small quantity that is readily explained by it being a human seeking a quick sale).