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Kybane Atreides Malum Vir	Posted - 2006.07.20 23:49:00 - [1] Edited by: Kybane Atreides on 20/07/2006 23:49:54 I'm not sure if this has already been posted or not. It is hard for me to make up my mind. I'm leaning towards Wolf, but I hate not being able to web... Edit For belt pirating, usually solo ------------------------ Malum Vir Pirate Corporation Recruitment
Tecam Hund Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.20 23:53:00 - [2] Jaguar. Wolf is better with howitzers (despite the backwards bonus) and in a group.
Karistis Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.20 23:58:00 - [3] Edited by: Karistis on 20/07/2006 23:59:16 This is kind of an opinion question, so the answer you're about to get is rather an opinion as well (since I usually don't fly Minmatar and haven't pirated for several months now). :) For me, webbing was pretty essential for belt piracy unless my ship was fast enough (like a Rifter or Merlin) to fly circles around my target. Assault frigs generally can't go as fast as normal frigs, and if you can make them go that fast, the modules you use in those slots to increase speed may detract from your ability to deal damage, which is what the Wolf and Jaguar are designed to do. So, basically, if you can't make yourself go faster, make your opponent go slower, so you'll probably need a webber. However, I have known people in the past who have excelled with both ships, so you may want to ask a specialist, rather than an idiot like me! :) _________________________________________ 2005.01.17 22:04:22 combat Chackle [PUSY] perfectly runs from you, wrecking for 1500 cowardice.
Kybane Atreides Malum Vir	Posted - 2006.07.21 00:05:00 - [4] I'm a little confused since I'm away from home/game. The item DB says jag has 3 mids, but QuickFit says it has 4...Any help on this? 4 makes more sense ------------------------ Malum Vir Pirate Corporation Recruitment
Mesasone Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.21 00:11:00 - [5] It has 4 midslots... was recently upgraded from 3, guess CCP missed that on the website.
Kybane Atreides Malum Vir	Posted - 2006.07.21 00:28:00 - [6] How would you guys suggest fitting one? I know this isn't the place, but I figured it would be better than starting a new forum...Also almost everyone of the fittings in the forums are for 3 mid-slots. I was also told you armor tank a Jag, but all of the ones on forums just use a Shield Extender...Any help would be appreciated. ------------------------ Malum Vir Pirate Corporation Recruitment
Lady Marie	Posted - 2006.07.21 00:35:00 - [7] Jaguar, 3 200mm T2 / 1 Nos 1MWD / x2 20km Scram / Webber Armour Plate and Repairer
Wicked Wisdom	Posted - 2006.07.21 02:31:00 - [8] Originally by: Lady Marie Jaguar, 3 200mm T2 / 1 Nos 1MWD / x2 20km Scram / Webber Armour Plate and Repairer No. If youre using a Jag, use shield extenders...
Kybane Atreides Malum Vir	Posted - 2006.07.21 06:02:00 - [9] I don't like the idea that if I get jumped I don't have any defenses though... One more question, are the resists on the ship with frig 5 bonus put in or no? ------------------------ Malum Vir Pirate Corporation Recruitment
OrangeAfroMan Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas	Posted - 2006.07.21 08:40:00 - [10] Edited by: OrangeAfroMan on 21/07/2006 08:41:08 I'm not going to reveal my Jag setup but use extenders and MWD and 150mms. The rest is a secret Also mind you that the Wolf is amazing for popping inties and other frigs, especially in gangs. Gronsak is Tux's angry alt.
Vicarrah Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.21 11:27:00 - [11] Edited by: Vicarrah on 21/07/2006 11:28:17 [Edit - shouldn't this be in Ships & Modules? ] this is purely IMO, but for PvE.... Wolf + Arty's = nice alpha strike, good when you don't need much of an active tank (i.e. aginst laser based NPC's), difficult to fit well Jag + 280mm Arty's = good alpha strike, lowish DPS, faster, Again, difficult to fit well Jag + 250mm Arty's + Std Launcher = more DPS than 280's but lower alpha, much more fitting options. I'm flying the latter of these and I can quite comfortably handle almost any NPC spawn you can throw against me, but BS take a while to kill (if you can get past the tank) Jag ftw Vicarrah Tahiri
Phelan Boots Tactical Asset Reallocation Team	Posted - 2006.07.21 12:50:00 - [12] Edited by: Phelan Boots on 21/07/2006 12:50:20 I had no problems using a Jaguar without a webber. The setup I like to spam whenever something like this gets posted, is: High: 3x 150mm AC IIs 1x Small Nos Mid: 1x MWD II 1x Medium Shield Extender II 1x Kinetic Shield Hardener II 1x Warp Scrambler Low: 1x MAPC 1x Gyro II 1x Shield Power Relay Really the last two low slots are really up to the pilot, also some people like to swith out the kinetic hardener for a 2nd Medium Shield Extender, usually named as they fit better. Quote: info It's not a good idea to place an Exotic Dancer in a Giant Secure Container. The Exotic Dancer will not survive intact, if transported in such a container.
Pete Stalker Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.07.21 13:16:00 - [13] Solo: Jag, because it is immune to nos. Gang-Gankage: Wolf with 4x 280mm t2 Artys ______________________ o rly?
Coran Ordus Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2006.07.21 18:26:00 - [14] Originally by: Kybane Atreides I don't like the idea that if I get jumped I don't have any defenses though... One more question, are the resists on the ship with frig 5 bonus put in or no? The numbers on the site do reflect the frig 5 bonus. So when you get into one with frig 5, assault frig 1, the resists are the 75/60/40/60 (for shield), no additional bonuses. (i.e., no near-perfect immunity to thermal/em )
Foulis Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.21 22:53:00 - [15] jagabond ftw ---- Cake > Pie - Imaran Originally by: CCP Hammer Boobies
Serkis Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.21 22:56:00 - [16] Jaguar is alot more versatile although Wolf has better dps and speed.
Still Hart Aurora Empire	Posted - 2006.07.21 22:59:00 - [17] AC Jag with 2x T2 Med Shield Extender FTW! I haven't tried one out yet since I sold mine at 100% markup. I'm gonna wait for the prices to drop a bit then buy another for screwing around in low-sec. The passive tank on that thing is sick! _____________________
CJ Brown Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.21 23:00:00 - [18] Originally by: Foulis jagabond ftw Oh so very true What can Brown do for you?
Eximius Josari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.07.21 23:15:00 - [19] Fit it like a Super Rifter. Click Above
Eximius Josari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.07.21 23:17:00 - [20] Originally by: Serkis Jaguar is alot more versatile although Wolf has better dps and speed. Actually, Jag base speed is 30 m/s faster. And the Jag is lighter in mass. Click Above
Serkis Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 13:17:00 - [21] Originally by: Eximius Josari Originally by: Serkis Jaguar is alot more versatile although Wolf has better dps and speed. Actually, Jag base speed is 30 m/s faster. And the Jag is lighter in mass. Thanks for pointing that out, for some reason I was thinking about the Claw speed which is the ship I use for fast travel with 4 named overdrives
Talasan Apocalypse Enterprises Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.07.22 14:48:00 - [22] grrr alt
rapert	Posted - 2006.07.22 14:48:00 - [23] i prefer the AC jag to the wolf 10 times over
Helene Troi Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.22 15:53:00 - [24] More recently, Im leaning back to the wolf for its extra gun... To my surprise I found it to be a better mission runner!!! I always fit autos, if I need small artillery I use a destroyer, I also decided on fitting a tracking computer over a webber... Webbers are great but the thing is that I've never had a problem hitting anything in range... My favourite wolf fit is a toy for easier lvl 3 missions:- autos and rkt launcher AB and tracking comp sar, gyrostab, nanofibre, plate Its a thing of grace and beauty besides power. Its fast and the t2 autos hit well out to over 10k... (When things get tough fit small cap battery and armour hardeners) For fun in the Jag:- autos and rockets AB, med shield extender, tracking comp, ew gizmo gyrostab, PDU, nano (When things get tough fit shield boost and shield hardeners) Get both ships!!! The price of Freedom* is eternal vigilance...*

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