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Gene Pool
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Posted - 2006.07.21 12:43:00 -
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Will the Eve-TV features, the broadcasts during the break be available for download or individual streaming at some point ?
CHeers Gene Pool
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spiralJunkie
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.21 12:49:00 -
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possibly, maybe, at a later date. i hope
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The pundits in the studio are talking , and despite not knowing what any of this means I am riveted |
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LeMonde
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Posted - 2006.07.21 12:50:00 -
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I can now say with fair certainty that there will be at least one DVD available for purchase. I can however not say when.
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Tao Han
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 12:51:00 -
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 Originally by: LeMonde
I can now say with fair certainty that there will be at least one DVD available for purchase. I can however not say when.
/me looks at wallet...
*Grow you bastard... GROW!!!
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Avon
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 12:54:00 -
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I hope when you say "for sale" you don't mean that some people will gain finacially, without renumerating those involved.
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spiralJunkie
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.21 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
I hope when you say "for sale" you don't mean that some people will gain finacially, without renumerating those involved.
what people 'involved' do you mean?
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The pundits in the studio are talking , and despite not knowing what any of this means I am riveted |
Martyr09
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Posted - 2006.07.21 13:17:00 -
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I believe he's referring to the EVE-Online players competing.
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Kylania
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.21 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Martyr09
I believe he's referring to the EVE-Online players competing.
I skipped half a day of work last Friday and utterly blew off the rest watching EVE TV, so I think my company should be reimbursed. HAH.. No, not really. Looking forward to yet another totally and completely non-productive day of EVE TV! Yay!
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Newbie Skills Roadmap | Visual Building Guide (Both work in game too!) |
xeom
Obsidian Sins
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Posted - 2006.07.21 13:47:00 -
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Edited by: xeom on 21/07/2006 13:47:37
Originally by: Kylania
Originally by: Martyr09
I believe he's referring to the EVE-Online players competing.
I skipped half a day of work last Friday and utterly blew off the rest watching EVE TV, so I think my company should be reimbursed. HAH.. No, not really. Looking forward to yet another totally and completely non-productive day of EVE TV! Yay!
Kinda like going home to watch a football game.But as ussual you're just watching tv not competing.If they performed in a tourny and someone is making money don't see why they shouldn't get a cut,at least in-game.
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Avon
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: spiralJunkie
Originally by: Avon
I hope when you say "for sale" you don't mean that some people will gain finacially, without renumerating those involved.
what people 'involved' do you mean?
Sounds like a "we weren't planning on sharing the loot" type answer tbh.
Good job. 
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Havelcek
Eve Defence Force
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.21 14:06:00 -
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Hopefully the combat scenes will be higher resolution on the DVD.
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spiralJunkie
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.21 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: spiralJunkie
Originally by: Avon
I hope when you say "for sale" you don't mean that some people will gain finacially, without renumerating those involved.
what people 'involved' do you mean?
Sounds like a "we weren't planning on sharing the loot" type answer tbh.
Good job.
what the hell are you talking about?
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Talori'i
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.21 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: spiralJunkie
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: spiralJunkie
Originally by: Avon
I hope when you say "for sale" you don't mean that some people will gain finacially, without renumerating those involved.
what people 'involved' do you mean?
Sounds like a "we weren't planning on sharing the loot" type answer tbh.
Good job.
what the hell are you talking about?
I think he means, if you are going to sell a DVD for profit(and not at cost), then you should compensate the players involved in the tourney in some form.
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Avon
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 14:30:00 -
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... and anyone else who appears on the DVD, which would include anyone on the couch, anyone in the pre-records, anyone invloved in the production.
You can't profit from the work of others without either renumerating them, or them waiving their right to fees.
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Kylania
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.21 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Talori'i
Originally by: spiralJunkie
what the hell are you talking about?
I think he means, if you are going to sell a DVD for profit(and not at cost), then you should compensate the players involved in the tourney in some form.
Whatever for?! The only people that should make money off that DVD are the ones physically producing and distributating it, CCP, and the 4 EVE TV folk that actually put on the broadcast.
The "pundits" were "paid" by their 15 minutes of fame. The players were paid by having a chance to win the tourney awards, they don't deserve money. The can of worms that would open up would be simply silly.
If I'd known that simply showing up to a tournament would have gotten me royalties to a DVD purchase I'd have started my own alliance and joined. See the problem with paying the players? They shouldn't be paid, period.
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Newbie Skills Roadmap | Visual Building Guide (Both work in game too!) |
Avon
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kylania
Whatever for?! The only people that should make money off that DVD are the ones physically producing and distributating it, CCP, and the 4 EVE TV folk that actually put on the broadcast.
No, either everyone who made it possible should make money off it, or no-one.
Unless contracts and / or waivers have been signed, the whole thing gets very sticky very quickly.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Havelcek
Eve Defence Force
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.21 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Kylania
Whatever for?! The only people that should make money off that DVD are the ones physically producing and distributating it, CCP, and the 4 EVE TV folk that actually put on the broadcast.
No, either everyone who made it possible should make money off it, or no-one.
Unless contracts and / or waivers have been signed, the whole thing gets very sticky very quickly.
This isn't Major League Baseball. You have no rights to anything in EVE, not your ship, your likeness, your name, your ISK, nothing. CCP owns it all. If they want to give EVETV the right to sell a video of game feed, then that's the end of the story.
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Eilene Fernite
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Posted - 2006.07.21 14:42:00 -
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I'm at work atm, can't check the EULA, but I wouldn't be suprised if CCP was well within their rights to do whatever it is they want to do in this case.
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Sevarus James
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.21 14:44:00 -
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Actually, Avon is quite correct here. The only way to "sell" a DVD of this type of thing without the "potential" for um, problems, is to do the sale as a 'cost of making' the DVD. In other words the sale of the DVD would cover the production costs of actually making the disc.
If this is sold for profit, then the people involved have a right to renumeration, unless they signed contracts that voided that possibility.
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spiralJunkie
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.21 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Kylania
Whatever for?! The only people that should make money off that DVD are the ones physically producing and distributating it, CCP, and the 4 EVE TV folk that actually put on the broadcast.
No, either everyone who made it possible should make money off it, or no-one.
Unless contracts and / or waivers have been signed, the whole thing gets very sticky very quickly.
you are truly the king of talking crap.
anyone who took part is using a CCP Product, ergo CCP Own it. the eve tv people have been paid for while out here.
of course only CCP will make money off it. they spent thousands and thousands putting this on
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The pundits in the studio are talking , and despite not knowing what any of this means I am riveted |
Talori'i
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.21 14:45:00 -
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You could even roleplay this one out, maybe offer 100k ISK per DVD sold. (my guess is at most 200 DVDs would be sold). And do the roleplay as a newsitem such as (the holoreel of the caldari tournament sold quite well earning 5 mil per whomever).
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Avon
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: spiralJunkie
you are truly the king of talking crap.
anyone who took part is using a CCP Product, ergo CCP Own it. the eve tv people have been paid for while out here.
of course only CCP will make money off it. they spent thousands and thousands putting this on
They have spent thousands producing an advert for their product.
Their return will come from increased subscription numbers - that is the point of advertising.
I'm not sure accusing me of being "the king of talking crap" is a constructive way of putting your opinion forward, it is certainly a pretty offensive way of doing so.
I'm sure your intensive research in to this matter is the basis of that opinion, and the fact that real world precidents for this fly in the face of your opinion.
I'm sure you would like to think that this is the first time a gaming event has been "televised", but I assure you it is not, not by a long straw.
Still, I'm sure your legal team has supplied you with all the facts.
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Karunel
Nuevos Horizontes
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Posted - 2006.07.21 15:14:00 -
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Edited by: Karunel on 21/07/2006 15:14:55
Well as I see it:
-Stavros and Ifni got their flights paid so I think that's covered there.
-SpiralJunkie & co too, I hope.
-Players are just taking part on a tournament hoping to get the prize.
Frankly if I buy the DVD I don't want any of my money to go to the players involved other than those who worked for it (Stav, Ifni, Arach, Sham (other guests of the Damned 3rd Seat of Doom), and the EVE Radio crew), and I think most players taking part in the tournament won't see any need to be rewarded in any way.
Edit: Spelling.
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xeom
Obsidian Sins
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Posted - 2006.07.21 15:20:00 -
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While CCP does infact own everything in EVE.They do not own those people or their performance.
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Taketa De
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.21 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Sevarus James
Actually, Avon is quite correct here. The only way to "sell" a DVD of this type of thing without the "potential" for um, problems, is to do the sale as a 'cost of making' the DVD. In other words the sale of the DVD would cover the production costs of actually making the disc.
If this is sold for profit, then the people involved have a right to renumeration, unless they signed contracts that voided that possibility.
Actually, for copyright law (as sick, unfair and stifling as it has become over the years) unless the contract (if any) specifically only covers "not for profit use" or "use to recoup expenses", they can pretty much do what they want with it. There is no magical free/profit clause in copyright that would suddenly apply or change things. Also, I'm not familiar with Icelandic law to be sure what the specifics there would be...
Personally I don't see any reason for all the people to get renumeration at all. And if the profits are higher (would you count all the work done by CCP employees in planning in this as well? what about the programing time for specific client changes made for EVE TV? etc...) then it should depend on the agreement (even if only verbal) that was made beforehand. Did CCP imply that anything would be paid? Or was it clear that it was simply done for the fun of it and all profit would go to CCP?
If they start making millions of it tho (yeah, right  ), my view on this would probably change (cause I hate big money grubbing corporations that abuse artists, customers and the public domain).
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Avon
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 18:58:00 -
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The artist always owns all rights to their performance, no matter the medium, unless they specifically waive those rights.
If no contract with an exclusion clause, or waiver, is signed, those rights stand.
Any player could refuse to have their performance included, and CCP would have to respect that.
CCP own the content, but they do not own the players.
Also, those who cite the EULA are on very rocky ground.
The EULA is not law, and no MMOG company wants the issues of player effort being 'work' brought up in court.
Personally I have no direct interest in this, and if all the players are happy to donate their performance for free that would be great.
This is just an example of a much wider issue, and one that will confront MMOGs at some point. It ties in to the real 'worth' of player efforts, something that MMOGs (rightly imho) want to avoid.
I am very much a supporter of games remaining games, played for fun, not reward. However, once money starts being made from something other than providing the game service (and related merchandising), which depends on the efforts of players, MMOG companies have to realise the lines between fun and work become blurred.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
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Kaemonn
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:22:00 -
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Lets get this back on track. We're talking about if theres going to be a DVD or not, not the cost, or where the money is going to; so, please let keep this civil and on track.
You mean to tell me, theres a game that goes with the forums?
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NebulousBlur
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:35:00 -
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Sheesh, you forum people will complain about anything, won't you? CCP is talking about offering a product here, a dvd with recordings of 6 days of game events, and you complain that the people who were at home playing a game involving their little spaceships and missiles aren't going to be getting real life cash from this?
I was in the tournament. I don't want any cash from CCP from the sales of this DVD. I am perfectly fine with them taking my 'hard earned work' that I and my friends have put into our performances in the tournament and selling it in video format. In fact, I will be buying this DVD if the price and cost of shipping is reasonable. I will be giving them money to watch myself. And I am perfectly fine with that.
To everyone else that is arguing that it is not fair to the people that were in the tournament, shut the heck up unless you are talking about yourself and you were in the tournament and you feel that you are entitled to real life money because they are selling a disc with a video of your digital spaceship getting blown up. If you are just arguing 'for the sake of the people who were in the tournament', please just stop. And unless you are a lawyer, don't argue about legalities especially when it would concern something that spans multiple countries and nations.
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Adoro
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:43:00 -
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Will it ever be possible to order stuff like that without a credit card? I use time codes and paybycash...no credit card here
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DJ Xyliana
Eve Radio Corporation
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:50:00 -
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remember that servers and live streaming does cost alot of pennies.
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