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Andreask14
Sensus Numinis
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.07.22 00:16:00 -
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Every race has a t1 solo pwn mobile for pvp and for npcing respectively.
Rax,Domi,Blackbird,Raven,Stabber,Phoon come to mind.
Now, where is the t1 amarrian pwn ships?
Anybody?
Woops.
Make it so and all amarrian whine threads will stop.
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SengH
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2006.07.22 00:17:00 -
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Edited by: SengH on 22/07/2006 00:17:57
lmao geddon? Oh wait... having the highest dps ingame for 90% of the games existence isnt enuff..
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Andreask14
Sensus Numinis
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.07.22 00:25:00 -
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Everybody mentions the Geddon.
Facts about the present iteration of the geddon:
Every other BS is better as a solo pvper because of the med-slots.
Most other BS are better as a NPCer because of a lack of missiles/chossing damage type and the fact the its weapons consume its tank.
The Geddon does not have the highest DPS for 90% of its opponents.
Also, does anybody ever mention any amarrian t1 ship besides the geddon? Ever? Nope.
You can get pointed to a travesty setup like "Fit autocannons" at best.
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 00:34:00 -
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The Arbitrator is evil solo. Or are you looking for a solo BS platform only?
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.22 01:00:00 -
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The Arbitrator feels like the only solo-able ship in the cruiser lineup for Amarr.
I guess the punisher is a good solo frig if you happen to be fighting another frig? =P
I really don't know if the Geddon/Apoc can be discredited as not being solo ships. Whenever I go looking for a fight I can rarely find an opponent who is willing to fight or even risk their ship by themselves. They'll always have at least one friend. I predict the Abaddon won't do anything exceptionally well...(if I'm proven wrong, good...)
Arbitrator is the only solo ship that comes to mind for me hehe.
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twit brent
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.07.22 01:03:00 -
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I hunt blood raiders and i think the geddon is the best ship there is for NPCing i this area.
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agent apple
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Posted - 2006.07.22 01:33:00 -
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Edited by: agent apple on 22/07/2006 01:34:24
Curse and pilgrim spring to mind, so there T2 but with the exception of BS theres fewer people flying T1 everyday with the increase in wealth. Not something to complain about.
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Wrayeth
PAX Interstellar Services
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.07.22 01:43:00 -
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 Originally by: Andreask14
Everybody mentions the Geddon.
Facts about the present iteration of the geddon:
Every other BS is better as a solo pvper because of the med-slots.
Not ture. The other BS such as the megathron and the 'phoon use their fourth midslot for a MWD. The 'geddon does not need a MWD. Its three midslots can fit a standard 20km scram, web, and cap injector.
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Most other BS are better as a NPCer because of a lack of missiles/chossing damage type and the fact the its weapons consume its tank.
The 'geddon can choose the damage types of its drones...and it can field 5 heavies.
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The Geddon does not have the highest DPS for 90% of its opponents.
Nor do the raven or the tempest - they both have relatively low DPS, but still manage to do quite well. And, even considering resists, the 'geddon still matches their DPS or beats it, IIRC.
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Also, does anybody ever mention any amarrian t1 ship besides the geddon? Ever? Nope.
You can get pointed to a travesty setup like "Fit autocannons" at best.
Maller, prophecy. Both are excellent ships.
-Wrayeth
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Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 02:15:00 -
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Punisher is very nice, but not quite the solopwnmobile that the Rifter is.
Arbitrator is an pwnmobile, just ask PIE. However, it's MUCH harder to use than the Thorax, Stabber, or Caracal (although the Caracal is pretty dodgy as an "pwnmobile").
Armageddon...hm. I like it a lot, but it really shouldn't be used solo. At very least, it should be used with an interceptor.
Originally by: Wrayeth
Originally by: Andreask14
Every other BS is better as a solo pvper because of the med-slots.
Not ture. The other BS such as the megathron and the 'phoon use their fourth midslot for a MWD. The 'geddon does not need a MWD. Its three midslots can fit a standard 20km scram, web, and cap injector.
Geddons obviously don't work with MWDs, but I'd be a little uncomfortable flying mine without an afterburner...it doesn't wallow around like an anally-violated pregnant pig the way a Scorpion does, but it's still not THAT fast.
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Talon Calais
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.22 02:53:00 -
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Edited by: Talon Calais on 22/07/2006 02:53:48
Geddon + Mega Pulse T2 + 4x T2 heat sinks anyone...?
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O'Sirius
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.22 02:59:00 -
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Solo BSes get their butts handed to them by gank squads. So unless you're trying to Pirate in low space, none of this matters. And in fact, if you're pirating in low sec I doubt you meet many BSes, and even if you do I doubt they'll have good skills.
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Talori'i
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.22 03:07:00 -
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My thorax had lots of trouble taking down a maller once on the test server.
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Brother Tycho
Shadows of the Dead
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.07.22 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: Talon Calais
Edited by: Talon Calais on 22/07/2006 02:53:48
Geddon + Mega Pulse T2 + 4x T2 heat sinks anyone...?
paper thin tank and 1 ECM would render you a sitting duck thanks to low sensor strenth.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.07.22 03:12:00 -
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Put like 6 heavy Nos and two siege launchers on an Apoc together with a big tank, then put ECM in the remaining medslots.
It will take a little longer to kill stuff then with a NOSdomi, but it will also suck their tank dry 50% faster.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 03:39:00 -
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Originally by: Noriath
Put like 6 heavy Nos and two siege launchers on an Apoc together with a big tank, then put ECM in the remaining medslots.
It will take a little longer to kill stuff then with a NOSdomi, but it will also suck their tank dry 50% faster.
I put together an Armageddon setup last night with 8 heavy nos. It relies totally on the Geddon's 5 heavy combat drones for damage, and has 3 large armor repairers. I designed it for killing Revelations, but I suspect it would be pretty mean against Megathrons, Scorpions, Apocs, Armageddons, and to a lesser extend Domis and Ravens.
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Josiah Bartlet
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.22 04:51:00 -
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Honestly, I don't know if the problem with Amarr as much as it is with ECM. Everytime I've gone out solo'ing in the past 4 months or so, its lways a jam fest. I've been running into jamming zealots and jamming deimos.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 04:59:00 -
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Mm, ECM is terribly messed up, as it is.
They also REALLY need to eliminate racial jammers, it truly shafts groups like CVA, U'K, and KD, such that they can't fly monoracial fleets...only a few people (PIE, for example) do it, and they're forced to fly most of their battleships with two ECCM on them (not an easy thing when you only have 3 medslots)
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.07.22 05:17:00 -
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Edited by: Noriath on 22/07/2006 05:25:02
Amarr ship NOS setups are pretty damn evil, people truely underestimate them.
Also really evil: Apoc with 7 large/1small energy neuts and injector.
And also: Yes to racial jammers, and racial sensor types in general. That system has absoloutly no merit, it just punishes people who try to stick with racial fleets, and lacks stretegic depth...
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Rigsta
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.22 05:19:00 -
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Originally by: Andreask14
Every race has a t1 solo pwn mobile for pvp and for npcing respectively.
Rax,Domi,Blackbird,Raven,Stabber,Phoon come to mind.
Now, where is the t1 amarrian pwn ships?
Anybody?
Woops.
Make it so and all amarrian whine threads will stop.
If you can't find the ship and fitting, your skill is lacking. I've flown with and against plenty of excellent excellent Amarr pilots.
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Josiah Bartlet
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.22 05:33:00 -
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Originally by: Rigsta
Edited by: Rigsta on 22/07/2006 05:26:30
Originally by: Andreask14
Every race has a t1 solo pwn mobile for pvp and for npcing respectively.
Rax,Domi,Blackbird,Raven,Stabber,Phoon come to mind.
Now, where is the t1 amarrian pwn ships?
Anybody?
Woops.
Make it so and all amarrian whine threads will stop.
If you can't find the ship and fitting, your skill is lacking. I've flown with and against plenty of excellent excellent Amarr pilots.
And didn't you know? There are NO solo pwnmobiles in EVE. There are plenty of damn fine ships with near-bulletproof setups but there is ALWAYS a weakness. Good pilots know the strengths and weaknesses of their ship, their opponent's ship, and their wingmens' ships, but even the best pilot doesn't know everything, and the best ship in EVE cannot take on everything and win.
The PvP tourney going on right now is a goldmine of information, and Amarr ships are present in the winning teams. I've been enjoying it, all education should have this many explosions.
I don't know where to begin honestly with your post.
The tourney hs ABSOLUTLY NO BEARING ON REAL PVP. I am truely sorry if you think it does, but you are dead wrong.
Again, the problem with amarr isnt the dmg, or dmg types, its the fubar'd ECM. Amarr lacks the midslots to compete with ECM and with how truly borked ECM is, it leaves amarr race gimped.
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Raekone
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Posted - 2006.07.22 05:46:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
anally-violated pregnant pig
Now that started my day off nicely 
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O'Sirius
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.22 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: Josiah Bartlet
However, what amarr ship can solo a domi with todays ECM ***ness? Maybe if I fit 6 Large NOS, 2 Officer smartbombs, a cap injector, 3 ECCM's, 3 hardners, 2 large reps (yeah right on cpu), maybe I'd stand a chance.
Yeah, but then again Domi isn't really useful at long ranges, like in fleets for example. There's some video in the videos section of the forums where 6 geddons beat 8 domis.
Every ship has its strength and weakness. But each race only gets 2 battleships. For Amarr both ships are decent for fleet combat, geddon is great for smaller gangs as well. And Apoc is great for PvE. Yes no-one cares about PvE, but guess what, you'll need at least one ship that does it well.
Yes neither of the two are good at 1on1 any more, but they've got other advantages to pay off for that.
Yes some other races have a BS for both fleet and one on one fights and that may seem as unfair, but perfect balance is really not achievable without getting rid of variety. Do we really want a game where every race has a ship thats a perfect equivalent of a ship of the same class from each one of the other 3 races and just looks different?
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Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 06:45:00 -
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Oh god PLEASE don't turn this into WoW!
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.07.22 06:59:00 -
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Ohh, once Caldari get their fleet ship in Kali we will have nice balance in the game, because then there is absoloutly no reason not fly Caldari so just everyone can train that and we don't have to care about other races anymore.
Variety is a good thing, yes, and that's exactly why it sucks that by the time Kali hits Amarr will have 3 slightly different gunships as far as we can tell from the glimpses of their new ship we got, and Caldari will have an EW ship, a missile ship and a gunship.
The lack of variety Amarr have is pretty disturbing, they realy don't sport anything that isn't just slight variations on guns and armor at the upper end. Variety is great, but it's not achieved by giving one race one ship for everything and another just more of the same old same old...
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Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 07:13:00 -
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Keep in mind that the Apocalypse, Abaddon, and Megathron will still EASILY outdamage the Caldari Tier 3 because of Tachyons for the Amarr ships and the damage bonus for the Megathron, and the combination of long-range sniper ammo and the 250km targetting limit, the Tier 3 will have trouble getting an advantage from its range bonus.
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 09:28:00 -
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Depends on what that range bonus for the new caldari battleship, if any, is. If it gets a +10% like every other caldari railboat then it'll have a optimal of 201.6KM with 425 IIs and caldari BS trained to level 4 right out of the box. That's going to be 2-3 extra slots for that ship freed up for other things since it won't require as many tracking mods. So saying it'll basicly suck may be jumping the gun.
moveing along.....
Ammar have it rough when it comes to ECM, but so do minmatar. The nerfbat will be swung at ECM at some point. Most likely makeing ECM totaly useless.
Projectile weapons do work nicely on ammar ships thanks to a lack of truely usefull bonus for lasers on most of their ships. About the only way a apoc is going to keep up with a raven ratting out in angel land is with projectiles. *Notices an Ammar wince*
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Imperial Coercion
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Posted - 2006.07.22 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
Edited by: SengH on 22/07/2006 00:17:57
lmao geddon? Oh wait... having the highest dps ingame for 90% of the games existence isnt enuff..
Wow, talk about missing the point completely
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Imperial Coercion
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Posted - 2006.07.22 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: agent apple
Edited by: agent apple on 22/07/2006 01:34:24
Curse and pilgrim spring to mind, so there T2 but with the exception of BS theres fewer people flying T1 everyday with the increase in wealth. Not something to complain about.
WHAT IS THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD??
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Agnar Koladrov
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.22 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Andreask14
Every race has a t1 solo pwn mobile for pvp and for npcing respectively.
Rax,Domi,Blackbird,Raven,Stabber,Phoon come to mind.
Pardons for the late comment but:
make that - Stabber and + Rupture 
The stabber is NOT a really good tech 1 solo ship (in my opinion though)
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Posted - 2006.07.22 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Agnar Koladrov
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The stabber is NOT a really good tech 1 solo ship (in my opinion though)
until you try to catch one 
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