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Anavina
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Posted - 2006.07.22 00:22:00 -
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now. before we even begin the flaming.. this is an honist question.
out of say the 24k People online at Peak times...
how many are macro miners or "Sweat shop" Farmers .
Basicly what kind of numbers do you think the macro miners/farmers are taking up?
Could the influx of materials into the market be all the new players ?... all the missions refining mining etc etc? that is causing belts to be left stripped and minerals and ships at basicly an all time low in the tech 1 market?
Please no flames or rants.. Just an honist question here as to what % of the players are macro/farmers
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Pride NL
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.07.22 00:58:00 -
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I dont think you are allowed to discuss this matter. As GM's standing on this is clear. If you find any macro miners, petition immediatly.
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fairimear
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.22 01:12:00 -
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24k online, i would say 700 are in high sec belts in large groups of characters made all at once with stupid names mining together.
are they a problem? yes.
they brake the natural economics.
people who have not worked for cash can purchase it on ebay and get to positinons they do not deserve ingame and it has a direct affect on isk ingame and the price of items.
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voogru
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.22 01:18:00 -
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I would say 15% of the players online are farmers.
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Akasha Kadore
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Posted - 2006.07.22 01:22:00 -
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Theres probably about 20% are farmers easy if not more.
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Anavina
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Posted - 2006.07.22 01:42:00 -
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im not disputing the fact that macro anything or farmers are indeed Wrong and should be stoped hands down.
But Often times you see talks of Price this, inflation that. Ebay isk this that blah blah..
But whats to say.. Some of those huge isk companies on ebay and other sites.. arnt just Some of the lucky fellows who got a Tech 2 high yield bpo?..
I mean for example and just example.. how many billion a month is 1 of the Cap recharger 2 bpo making?..
now.. lets look at a ice macro miner..
covetor.. 3 tech 1 harvesters.. 24 blocks an hour of high sec ice.. you are most likely yielding maybe 1 million maybe 1.5 million isk an hour..
Even 24 hours a day with that 1 barge.. your making maybe just maybe 30 million isk a day roughly per 1..
I guess i suppose with enough going.. once you get into 100's of them i could see how thye make the iskies.. but just seems like.. I dunno i guess im the guy that thinks people are smart enough not to buy isk off the internet for real money..
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Phoenix Lord
The Arrow Project
The ARR0W Project
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Posted - 2006.07.22 01:49:00 -
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The problem is that, while around 1m per hour isnt a lot to the richer people in EVE, it is a lot for the new players in EVE.
These macro miners strip mine many of the belts in empire that newbies need to get their starting money.
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Baldour Ngarr
Artemis Rising
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Posted - 2006.07.22 01:52:00 -
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 Originally by: fairimear
are they a problem? yes.
they brake the natural economics.
people who have not worked for cash can purchase it on ebay and get to positinons they do not deserve ingame and it has a direct affect on isk ingame and the price of items.
We can do that anyway, by buying GTC's and then selling them on the forums for ISK. So either GTC sales need to be banned, or macro mining should be allowed. Can't have it both ways.
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Trotski II
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Posted - 2006.07.22 02:54:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: fairimear
are they a problem? yes.
they brake the natural economics.
people who have not worked for cash can purchase it on ebay and get to positinons they do not deserve ingame and it has a direct affect on isk ingame and the price of items.
We can do that anyway, by buying GTC's and then selling them on the forums for ISK. So either GTC sales need to be banned, or macro mining should be allowed. Can't have it both ways.
I see your point and agree to some degree but itŠs a little diferent. No one is gonna setup macromining with the intention of only having bilions of ISK to buy time codes so they can then have xyz accounts and make trilions of ISK to buy more time codes and so on. They wanna sell for real $$$. Of course then time codes can be sold for real $$$ but then you canŠt try it yourself and setting up ISK selling that way wonŠt work.
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gfldex
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Posted - 2006.07.22 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Anavina
Could the influx of materials into the market be all the new players ?... all the missions refining mining etc etc? that is causing belts to be left stripped and minerals and ships at basicly an all time low in the tech 1 market?
Witch influx? Prices for minerals are going up since months now. And stripped belts are not new to EVE and not related to macros in any way. Infact I was stripping 3 belts in one day because I was in need of tritanium and buy orders are way to slow for my taste. That's easy if you got 2 well skilled chars and a good book.
Remember that you don't need a witch for a witch hunt.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 03:45:00 -
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*click*
------------------ Originally by: kieron
Buy ISK for RL cash here!
Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw
Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
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Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 03:46:00 -
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On a more serious note, even ONE macro miner is a problem, because macro mining fuels ISK selling, and that's ALWAYS bad.
------------------ Originally by: kieron
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw
Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
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F'nog
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.22 05:56:00 -
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I think the problem is vastly overblown. Yes, there are some MMs out there, but I doubt there are anywhere near as many as people seem to think. It's quite easy for an organized corp of modest size to strip a whole system or three in a day.
It's just come to the point where people scream "MACRO!" because someone is an efficient miner or doesn't respond in local.
Originally by: Panzer Goddess
I podded wrangler, and all I got was this lousy forumban.
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Bohoba
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 07:07:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog
I think the problem is vastly overblown. Yes, there are some MMs out there, but I doubt there are anywhere near as many as people seem to think. It's quite easy for an organized corp of modest size to strip a whole system or three in a day.
It's just come to the point where people scream "MACRO!" because someone is an efficient miner or doesn't respond in local.
Humm seen them at work and 8 of them will clean a sytem out in a day as the ore size is so small 1 strip miner 1 cycle and pop there it goes
this really needs to be locked down by ccp and I am sure they are trying
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.07.22 07:09:00 -
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Edited by: Samirol on 22/07/2006 07:09:49
Originally by: Akasha Kadore
Theres probably about 20% are farmers easy if not more.
that is complete bull**** in my opinion...some are afk, but not nearly that many are farmers
i think voogru's estimate of 15% is high, i would guess 1000-1500 on at peak.
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skilzrulz
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Posted - 2006.07.22 07:15:00 -
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No, macro miners are not a problem.
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Lardarz B'stard
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.22 07:29:00 -
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Out of all the farmers, I wonder how many of them are called 'Old McDonald'.
I wonder, also, out of that number, how many have a farm in RL.
Also, how many of them have a sheep?
The problem can be summarised as follows:
Eve farmers = E I E I O
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Ridean
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Posted - 2006.07.22 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Akasha Kadore
Theres probably about 20% are farmers easy if not more.
yea that would be my closest guess too. They really are a problem, they screw up the natural economics of the game. If they get banned, it serves em right.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.07.22 07:51:00 -
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Here's how you stop farming:
Send hitmen to kill anyone who farms or buys from them.
Anything else will noly slow them down.
And yes, this was serious, because that's what it'll take to effectively STOP farming on an MMO.
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Jordon Spikes
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Posted - 2006.07.22 11:29:00 -
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I can't tell ya how many times I have mined and someone comes around and tried to mess with me. since I mine in secure cans they only can bump me. but when asked, they say "I thought you were a macro miner" I really think alot of ppl don't know what or how to tell a MM from a player.
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PeeWee Pee
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Posted - 2006.07.22 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: PeeWee Pee on 22/07/2006 17:39:26
my crystal ball sayz outta 25k online...
20% macro miners
10% mission whorus
20% stationary or alts trader or manufacturer sitting in stations AFK or not
20% legitimate miners with many accounts
10% AFK freighter runners and pos operators
10% high sec suicide gankers
5% low sec pirates 0.4 and below or gate camps
4% about 1k people doing fleet ops
1% dev altz
many of these peepz have multiple accounts so they may overlap. otherwise, it numbers look good i checked with my calculator. see how it turned out the ones i hate the most comes out on top
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gfldex
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Posted - 2006.07.23 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
On a more serious note, even ONE macro miner is a problem, because macro mining fuels ISK selling, and that's ALWAYS bad.
They use stolen credit cards to buy GTC and sell them for ISK. That ISK is sold by ebay. No macros involved at all and way more efficient.
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Drizit
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.23 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: gfldex
They use stolen credit cards to buy GTC and sell them for ISK. That ISK is sold by ebay. No macros involved at all and way more efficient.
And they have big buggy eyes and green skin.
Oh Come on, I know 2 million/hour doesn't sound much but selling it means RL cash income. The reason most of it is done by third world sweat shops and such is that they earn only 2 dollars a week for it. Even 12 hours a day at 2.5 million/hour for example (which is roughly what I can do mining pyrox in a Retriever), it means 210 million per week or so. 100 million sells for a lot more than 2 dollars so the rest is in their boss's wallet. For one sweatshop labourer, that's nearly 30 dollars a week over the labourers wages. 120 dollars per month, take out 20 for expenses (you only need pay the third world prices for electricity) and the subscription payment. That's 100 per month per labourer. 20 labourers working 23/7 means a nice 2 grand a month coming in. Even 10 labourers makes for a nice big income in a third world country.
Why resort to theft and fraud when you can do it legitimately and still make a nice tidy profit to live very comfortably?
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