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Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.07.22 04:34:00 - [31] i think too that there is nothing bad in losing a match... where alredy sure to be qualified and they saved some money (and tried to avoid BoB) also at least they put up a funny fight and have not forfeited the match, maybe taking some excuse. and for not meeting BoB... is not that BoB really impressed me, they are a good team but i don't see them really dominating, 5 seem to be as strong as BoB, SMASH can be a very nasty opponent and even MC or LV have a lot of potential if they will pay a bit more attention during fight.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.22 06:09:00 - [32] ROFL at this thread if KAOS lose to TRUST so be it, won't particularly bother me to face BoB in semi-finals, just thought it'd be cooler to fight them in finals this time fighting BoB in semi-finals is a bit been there done that ho hum dontcha know, and ofc we lost to BoB in semi-finals last time so.. That said, we're fighting stronger teams IMO than we would on the other side, apart from BoB all the real contenders are teams we'll be facing before the finals. btw raynor, you're a naughty boy for giving away our supersecret secrets of secretyness at TRUST; sorry if we ruined your chances, but frankly you guys didn't even cross our minds so there's no big conspiracy to help KAOS, as rayray said we've been intending to finish second in the bracket ever since we found out we'd face BoB in semi-finals otherwise, we don't care about how KAOS does in tourny at all http://eve.klaki.net/
VladImpaler	Posted - 2006.07.22 07:34:00 - [33] Edited by: VladImpaler on 22/07/2006 07:33:45 Summary: You lost to BoB in the semi-finals last time so you manipulated the brackets so you could lose to them in the finals this time to look more important?
maGz The Priory Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.07.22 08:07:00 - [34] Originally by: VladImpaler Edited by: VladImpaler on 22/07/2006 07:33:45 Summary: You lost to BoB in the semi-finals last time so you manipulated the brackets so you could lose to them in the finals this time to look more important? ______________________
Minerma	Posted - 2006.07.22 08:28:00 - [35] Originally by: VladImpaler Edited by: VladImpaler on 22/07/2006 07:33:45 Summary: You lost to BoB in the semi-finals last time so you manipulated the brackets so you could lose to them in the finals this time to look more important? this one wins the thread oh, and QFT
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.22 08:36:00 - [36] no ? http://eve.klaki.net/
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.07.22 08:55:00 - [37] Edited by: Seleene on 22/07/2006 08:56:04 I don't give a damn what someone else does with thier team. Why does anyone else? If IAC did what they did because an elf said it would cause it to rain in Zaire, I could care less. That's their choice. Having said that, I look forward to facing BoB in the final (and knocking IAC out of the Tourney along the way). \o/ EDIT - and if CCP changes the format of the Final 16 now over this that is BULL**. Stop changing the frakkin' rules during** the contest. - Latest MC Movie - Nation Building
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2006.07.22 10:14:00 - [38] Fight throwing and Insider betting 4tw \o/ THIS IS WHAT MAKES EVE GREAT !! MOOCIFER Emerald/Alpha Oldtimer
Luc Boye Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.22 10:37:00 - [39] Originally by: Seleene Having said that, I look forward to facing BoB in the final (and knocking IAC out of the Tourney along the way). \o/ Haha go Seleene =)
Jim Raynor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 10:37:00 - [40] I was so hung over yesterday that I couldn't really concentrate on a real match anyways. =( ------ I'll make a sig later.
SirMolle Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.22 10:38:00 - [41] I could care less about the reaons behind it, but playing to loose, is just that, a loosing game. Theres two reasons as to why, one being the bet-scam, and the second to get a strategic advantage. I hope you make it to the finals so that you at least earnt something from cutting off your own balls. As far as BoB goes, IAC were never the main threat on the way to the finals anyways, so for us, it changes nada.
Jim Raynor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 10:47:00 - [42] Originally by: SirMolle I could care less about the reaons behind it, but playing to loose, is just that, a loosing game. Theres two reasons as to why, one being the bet-scam, and the second to get a strategic advantage. I hope you make it to the finals so that you at least earnt something from cutting off your own balls. As far as BoB goes, IAC were never the main threat on the way to the finals anyways, so for us, it changes nada. Well since our team sucks such total ass I fail to see why anyone cares that we threw a match. P.S. See you in the final. ------ I'll make a sig later.
Razor Jaxx Fate. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.07.22 10:52:00 - [43] Hurrah for Molle !! If IAC feels so confident, what do you care if you meet BoB in the semis or in the finals? The winner has to be superior to everyone anyway; really strong teams don't stoop to bracket calculations, in the end it never works out.
Avon Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 10:58:00 - [44] Originally by: VladImpaler Edited by: VladImpaler on 22/07/2006 07:33:45 Summary: You lost to BoB in the semi-finals last time so you manipulated the brackets so you could lose to them in the finals this time to look more important? Better prize for second place. The thing that annoys me is that a team is now unable to qualify because of this. It is very unsporting, and detracts from the spirit of the event. I would have no problem at all with a disqualification here. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Y Ashanti	Posted - 2006.07.22 11:00:00 - [45] Yay, now EVE got its very own match fixing scandal. Just hope you don't get relegated as a consequence.
Alita Tiphares	Posted - 2006.07.22 11:01:00 - [46] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk ROFL at this thread if KAOS lose to TRUST so be it, won't particularly bother me to face BoB in semi-finals, just thought it'd be cooler to fight them in finals this time fighting BoB in semi-finals is a bit been there done that ho hum dontcha know, and ofc we lost to BoB in semi-finals last time so.. That said, we're fighting stronger teams IMO than we would on the other side, apart from BoB all the real contenders are teams we'll be facing before the finals. btw raynor, you're a naughty boy for giving away our supersecret secrets of secretyness at TRUST; sorry if we ruined your chances, but frankly you guys didn't even cross our minds so there's no big conspiracy to help KAOS, as rayray said we've been intending to finish second in the bracket ever since we found out we'd face BoB in semi-finals otherwise, we don't care about how KAOS does in tourny at all Right.
Jim Raynor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 11:01:00 - [47] Edited by: Jim Raynor on 22/07/2006 11:04:49 Originally by: Avon Originally by: VladImpaler Edited by: VladImpaler on 22/07/2006 07:33:45 Summary: You lost to BoB in the semi-finals last time so you manipulated the brackets so you could lose to them in the finals this time to look more important? Better prize for second place. The thing that annoys me is that a team is now unable to qualify because of this. It is very unsporting, and detracts from the spirit of the event. I would have no problem at all with a disqualification here. TRUST wasn't going anywhere to begin with, they were never a final 16 anyways. Their inability to advance is their own doing, not ours. If we won, IAC and KAOS would advance, and even through we dived, IAC and KAOS.. advance. Lots of teams are playing for just the fact they will get a CNR (if they showed up to all their matches) and have no hope of advancing, today. It's like saying IAC threw a match and now your downsyndrome baby will never grow up to be a brain surgeon. ------ I'll make a sig later.
Al Haquis Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.22 11:03:00 - [48] If i had lost isk on that match i would consider throwing more Isk on a big ass Merc Contract in the near future. We have all the Tools we need in this game , now just use them people. With Love from Al Haquis ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Council Member, Tahiri Warrior Masuat'aa Forums
SirMolle Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.22 11:04:00 - [49] Originally by: Jim Raynor Well since our team sucks such total ass I fail to see why anyone cares that we threw a match. P.S. See you in the final. I can see youre missing the point of this tournament. This event is not for you. Its for EvE. Its for EvE's players. You are a "actor" in a event. Its not about winning a carrier, or a CNR, its about entertaining the people who play EvE. Its about showing the rest of the world that doesnt play EvE, what a wonderful world we play in. And all you managed to show was how lame people in EvE are. So, respect to you Jim Raynor, for showing everyone how "good" you are. As for making it to finals or not, i dont really care if you do, or anyone else does. Regardless of who we will be fighting along the way, we will be fighting to WIN, and not, to lose. We might make it, we might not, but we'll be playing to win. So, congrats i guess.... ?
Waragha	Posted - 2006.07.22 11:07:00 - [50] Im reallylooking forward to next year where we possibly get more of this. Maybe we will even have teams that sign up only to throw matches, i could probably arrange that especially if they are against IAC. Maybe i could make an IPO @IAC im sorry that we havent really crossed your minds, but try to think of the consequences of your actions, we all have to. We have a match today that doesnt even matter, we might aswell go there in t1. We have prepared for this tourny, people have bought implants etc, consider that we might have wanted a try at going to the semi's ? If you really don't care about it ask the GMs for a rematch and kill KAOS as you probably would (no offence to KAOS). It's not like we havent had enough forfeits to warrent fixed matches. On another note.. Shouldnt this be moved to Events ?
Karl Shade FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.22 11:07:00 - [51] Originally by: Jim Raynor Originally by: Avon Originally by: VladImpaler Edited by: VladImpaler on 22/07/2006 07:33:45 Summary: You lost to BoB in the semi-finals last time so you manipulated the brackets so you could lose to them in the finals this time to look more important? Better prize for second place. The thing that annoys me is that a team is now unable to qualify because of this. It is very unsporting, and detracts from the spirit of the event. I would have no problem at all with a disqualification here. TRUST wasn't going anywhere to begin with, they were never a final 16 team to begin with. Wether they make it or not is for TRUST to prove, not for you to decide. -
Admiral Pieg Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 11:14:00 - [52] Originally by: SirMolle I could care less about the reaons behind it, but playing to loose, is just that, a loosing game. Theres two reasons as to why, one being the bet-scam, and the second to get a strategic advantage. I hope you make it to the finals so that you at least earnt something from cutting off your own balls. As far as BoB goes, IAC were never the main threat on the way to the finals anyways, so for us, it changes nada. Hm, this is puzzling. According to the betting that has taken place, the IAC are the favourites to win this competition, and their performance so far has been very convincing (save for last night). Why would BoB not see them as a threat? ______________ Pod from above.
Jim Raynor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 11:14:00 - [53] Originally by: SirMolle Originally by: Jim Raynor Well since our team sucks such total ass I fail to see why anyone cares that we threw a match. P.S. See you in the final. I can see youre missing the point of this tournament. This event is not for you. Its for EvE. Its for EvE's players. You are a "actor" in a event. Its not about winning a carrier, or a CNR, its about entertaining the people who play EvE. Its about showing the rest of the world that doesnt play EvE, what a wonderful world we play in. And all you managed to show was how lame people in EvE are. So, respect to you Jim Raynor, for showing everyone how "good" you are. As for making it to finals or not, i dont really care if you do, or anyone else does. Regardless of who we will be fighting along the way, we will be fighting to WIN, and not, to lose. We might make it, we might not, but we'll be playing to win. So, congrats i guess.... ? How selfless of you. I am fully aware your ego wouldn't allow for a little bracket manipulation. It might work out the way we want, it might not. I believe it will, call me an optimist. ------ I'll make a sig later.
Avon Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 11:16:00 - [54] Originally by: Jim Raynor How selfless of you. I am fully aware your ego wouldn't allow for a little bracket manipulation. It might work out the way we want, it might not. I believe it will, call me an optimist. I hope every team you meet throws their matches. Then you can have the tourny victory you so desire .. no matter how hollow and pointless that victory was. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Jim Raynor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 11:21:00 - [55] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Jim Raynor How selfless of you. I am fully aware your ego wouldn't allow for a little bracket manipulation. It might work out the way we want, it might not. I believe it will, call me an optimist. I hope every team you meet throws their matches. Then you can have the tourny victory you so desire .. no matter how hollow and pointless that victory was. Funny, weren't you guys saying yesterday about how these first 4 matches were just practice anyways? Yeah well we blew a practice game for what we feel is a better seeding in the final 16 Sunday. For that I am a horrible monster and I pray for death. ------ I'll make a sig later.
SirMolle Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.22 11:22:00 - [56] Originally by: Admiral Pieg Hm, this is puzzling. According to the betting that has taken place, the IAC are the favourites to win this competition, and their performance so far has been very convincing (save for last night). Why would BoB not see them as a threat? Because skillpoints doesnt equal skills.
Ijima Li	Posted - 2006.07.22 11:24:00 - [57] Originally by: Admiral Pieg Originally by: SirMolle I could care less about the reaons behind it, but playing to loose, is just that, a loosing game. Theres two reasons as to why, one being the bet-scam, and the second to get a strategic advantage. I hope you make it to the finals so that you at least earnt something from cutting off your own balls. As far as BoB goes, IAC were never the main threat on the way to the finals anyways, so for us, it changes nada. Hm, this is puzzling. According to the betting that has taken place, the IAC are the favourites to win this competition, and their performance so far has been very convincing (save for last night). Why would BoB not see them as a threat? Just because alot of ppl bet on a team doesn't mean that team is the best. It's probably more likely that there are alot of "I wanna bet on the popular" ppl in this game. IAC gambled well, now lets sit down and watch if they did the right thing and stop the whining.
Hermia HIVE	Posted - 2006.07.22 11:24:00 - [58] its about entertaining the people who play EvE. Its about showing the rest of the world that doesnt play EvE, what a wonderful world we play in. So true. The pundits were bigging it up to be the best match of the day, two respected pvp groups. Then the screen turns to the battlefield and... WTF? IAC with full T1 complement... the disapointment set in immediately. ----------------------------------------------- Vision without action is a dream, Action without vision is a nightmare
Jim Raynor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 11:27:00 - [59] Originally by: Waragha @IAC im sorry that we havent really crossed your minds, but try to think of the consequences of your actions, we all have to. We have a match today that doesnt even matter, we might aswell go there in t1. We have prepared for this tourny, people have bought implants etc, consider that we might have wanted a try at going to the semi's ? I am confused, were we supposed to hold your hand and help you cross the street to enter the magical world of the final 16 or something? IAC and KAOS are the teams advancing from the H group, they are the best team from the bracket. This is not personal opinion, this is based on the matches thus far. ------ I'll make a sig later.
Waragha	Posted - 2006.07.22 11:31:00 - [60] Edited by: Waragha on 22/07/2006 11:32:54 Originally by: Jim Raynor Originally by: Waragha @IAC im sorry that we havent really crossed your minds, but try to think of the consequences of your actions, we all have to. We have a match today that doesnt even matter, we might aswell go there in t1. We have prepared for this tourny, people have bought implants etc, consider that we might have wanted a try at going to the semi's ? I am confused, were we supposed to hold your hand and help you cross the street to enter the magical world of the final 16 or something? IAC and KAOS are the teams advancing from the H group, they are the best team from the bracket. This is not personal opinion, this is based on the matches thus far. No you are supposed to not throw matches, how the hell can you know if we beat KAOS before hand today? And who the hell gives you the right to decide? You havent really grasped what we're all on about yet have you? And as i said before, we've played 2 matches - 1 against you that had a really well counter to us. Next match they had change lineup to that same tactic and we still win, we have adapted and can overcome, now why the hell do you feel the need to throw matches to get KAOS in? Why not let the matches decide not you. Damnit.

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