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Xylonia
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Posted - 2006.07.22 02:01:00 -
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Hey, does anyone know how that tech 1 Raven was fit that lasted 15 minutes (or so) under the fire of 5 opposing ships during the first day of the tournement last week??
I keep hearing that it was fit with cap boosters, but that is really only one component in a setup and I have no idea how 16 cap boosters (max without expanded cargoholds on a raven) could keep a Raven alive that long in any case...
Does anyone know anything more about the setup? (Possibly even the exact setup+implants  )
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Jin Steele
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 02:20:00 -
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my guess
mids: 1x photon field II, 2x Invuln Field II, 1x XL booster II, 1x Boost Amp, 1x Heavy Cap booster
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Kailyn
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Posted - 2006.07.22 02:24:00 -
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And a hold full of 1600 charges.
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Outa Rileau
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Posted - 2006.07.22 02:29:00 -
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 Originally by: Kailyn
And a hold full of 1600 charges.
there are no 1600 charges...
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Sensless Killing
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Posted - 2006.07.22 04:28:00 -
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id have a guess he had a t2 sheild tank with a full set of crystal implants
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Jin Steele
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 04:35:00 -
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with crystals and a shield boost amp, you could boost for around 1170 HP every 5 seconds, and could sustain it with cap booster 800s
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Vishnej
Demonic Retribution
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Posted - 2006.07.22 07:17:00 -
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If I might make a suggestion?
Everyone always seems to overlook cap power relays, which give significantly more cap/sec than PDU's. When Red Moon Rising came in, cap power relay's malus (-10% to shield boost amount) came under the effect of the stacking penalty - which made the combo of an amp or two and relays a borderline exploit.
When that was fixed, however, the malus still had stacking penalty, if seperate from boostamps. To illustrate: going from 7 cap power relays to 8 has zero effect on how much cap gets boosted, but it's a 25% increase in cap/second, versus a 14.75% increase for each power diagnostic.
Cap power relays are almost never used in PvP on Ravens, because the shield and the raw amount of extra cap are better in multi-BS engagements (gank > tank), but they could produce that effect.
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Anasur
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Posted - 2006.07.22 07:28:00 -
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I doubt the raven was running a capacitor power relay. Because of the boost penalty, its really not worth it, even with stacking penalties. No one uses those on shield tanks. Although personally they are almost too good for armor tanks considering they use virtually no cpu.
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Vishnej
Demonic Retribution
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Posted - 2006.07.22 07:39:00 -
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Shield boost amount modifier from 5 cap power relays: 0.745x.
Net Cap recharge bonus from 5 cap power relays: 3.052x
Net Cap recharge bonus from 5 power diagnostic systems: 1.99x
3.052 * 0.745 = 2.274x
Not saying it's a win button, but it's an extra 15%-20% shield boosted than power diagnostics if he went for a full tank (after subtracting what you need to run the hardeners).
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murder one
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Posted - 2006.07.22 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: Anasur
I doubt the raven was running a capacitor power relay. Because of the boost penalty, its really not worth it, even with stacking penalties. No one uses those on shield tanks. Although personally they are almost too good for armor tanks considering they use virtually no cpu.
Armor tank? Remember that cap relays are low slots- each slot spent on a cap relay is one gone for your tank mods. 
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Ginaz
Cataclysm Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.22 08:11:00 -
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Originally by: Vishnej
Edited by: Vishnej on 22/07/2006 08:02:09
Shield boost amount modifier from 5 cap power relays: 0.745x.
Net Cap recharge bonus from 5 cap power relays: 3.052x
Net Cap recharge bonus from 5 power diagnostic systems: 1.99x
3.052 * 0.745 = 2.274x
Not saying it's a win button, but it's an extra 15%-20% shield boosted than power diagnostics if he went for a full tank (after subtracting what you need to run the hardeners).
fine, but you won't be able to sustain a XL booster and your booster won't be able to tank 5 oponents with cprs.
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Vishnej
Demonic Retribution
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Posted - 2006.07.22 08:38:00 -
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Edited by: Vishnej on 22/07/2006 08:40:05
Au Contraire
6x siege launcher II
2x Heavy Modulated Energy Beam
1x cap recharger II
1x XL shield booster II
2x invulnerability field II
1x photon scattering field II
5x Cap power relay I
With maxed cap and shield skills, this can run sustainably forever. As to whether it can tank the opposition - depends on the situation.
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Vishnej
Demonic Retribution
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Posted - 2006.07.22 09:07:00 -
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Edited by: Vishnej on 22/07/2006 09:08:34
Lasting for 15 minutes and then dropping, on the other hand - it's more probable that they were using something along these lines:
max skills - full implantset
some type of NOS, depending on weapons
invuln field II
EM hardener II
KIN hardener II
TH hardener II
Heavy cap booster II - INTERMITTENTLY TO KEEP CAP AT 30-40%
XL shield booster II - full duty
5x cap power relays
Just gotta get lucky that most of their damage isn't on your soft spot resist, and use the cap booster efficiently on manual when you need it to bring you back to peak regen.
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Shaemell Buttleson
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.22 09:40:00 -
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How many HP's can they boost using 5 relays?
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2006.07.22 10:09:00 -
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Wouldn't they likely have had faction mods on it? Or are those not allowed in the tourney just like ECM?
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Sarmaul
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.07.22 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar
Wouldn't they likely have had faction mods on it? Or are those not allowed in the tourney just like ECM?
Not allowed this year, only faction implants & ships
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Isal
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Posted - 2006.07.22 11:07:00 -
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If you would have watched that battle a bit more closely then you would have noticed the raven had 4 nos beams coming out of it. So it was fitted with 4 heavy nos, 4 siege in high and then a cap injector on top of that.
As the first post said, it is not nearly enough to have just a cap booster to run your shield that long. Crystal implants only give you more hp per cycle, still gonna cost to run it that long even though he might be able to wait a bit in between.
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Laocoon
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.07.22 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Isal
If you would have watched that battle a bit more closely then you would have noticed the raven had 4 nos beams coming out of it.
it was being nossed itself by 4 nos drones iirc
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