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Temerlyn
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Posted - 2003.10.05 11:55:00 -
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Edited by: Temerlyn on 05/10/2003 11:56:58
First of, i could add this to an existing post but i didnt want it to be lost in the 5+ pages of posting already made.
But i am going to discuss a little bit of the history of the curse alliance and how it came about.
We at STK Scientific are not pirates, never have been. We are part of the curse alliance.
Origionally 7 corps formed a fledgling alliance to fight the piracy in curse so we could have some where to mine and hunt for the higher end ore's/loot. We faught space pills, and sinister mainly. Other were involved. But basically we got sick of the constant small time pirates trying to own the area.
We faught Sinister and lost ships. but after awhile they stopped and it seemed peacefull for a time. Other small groups annoyed us.
STK a long time ago had talkings with the stain alliance and we didnt apreciate there rigid and structured ways, more so we didn't like there arogant attitude. Thus we have harboured wanton distruction of stain for quite some time.
Well guess what. So did alot of others it seems.
So thus the curse alliance was formed to give stain a real enemy. Through all the trash talk, suposed exploits, huge ctd battles, the raids etc we have a proper war to fight for.
No more spending 3-4 hours chase some small time pirate as he camped in a station or MWD past your blockades.
So we have put aside our past misgivings to Sinister and who ever else and formed an army with them and others to have a war. So now we have something worthwhile to fight for as there generally aren't any rewards. We have a home to fight for.
We have a war and its alot of fun :)
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.05 12:04:00 -
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This is something I really didn't want to do. Things that are said between 2 people should stay behind 2 people. But you give me no choice with this PR bull****.
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Channelname: Beneb conversation
Listener: dalman
Session started: 2003.09.17 18:24:24
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[ 2003.09.17 18:24:33 ] Beneb > hello
[ 2003.09.17 18:24:36 ] dalman > Hi
[ 2003.09.17 18:24:44 ] Beneb > this convo is regarding the chaos in curse atm
[ 2003.09.17 18:25:19 ] dalman > ehm, well, I'm not the CEO of MASS, but he is offline atm
[ 2003.09.17 18:25:28 ] Beneb > over the last few weeks we, STK, have pretty much pulled out of any kind of alliance down there because they were headed in directions we didn't want to go
[ 2003.09.17 18:25:43 ] Beneb > ahh np
[ 2003.09.17 18:25:47 ] dalman > k.
[ 2003.09.17 18:26:07 ] Beneb > i just want to let you know STK is no threat to Mass, any SA member or the CC
[ 2003.09.17 18:26:20 ] Beneb > we look after ourselves, kinda like the nomads
[ 2003.09.17 18:26:21 ] dalman > I'll ask my CEO to contact you
[ 2003.09.17 18:26:27 ] dalman > k.
[ 2003.09.17 18:26:29 ] Beneb > k sounds good
[ 2003.09.17 18:26:45 ] dalman > sure
[ 2003.09.17 18:27:07 ] Beneb > maybe i'll see you around, however i'm not in curse as much anymore, but i know whe have some people down ther
[ 2003.09.17 18:27:14 ] Beneb > e
[ 2003.09.17 18:27:24 ] dalman > ok
[ 2003.09.17 18:27:57 ] Beneb > well than take it easy, and one more thing, VOTF is not an alt corp of Red C's
[ 2003.09.17 18:28:10 ] dalman > yea, I see your corp doesn't have a negative standing with us ;)
[ 2003.09.17 18:28:24 ] dalman > ok, thanks
[ 2003.09.17 18:28:34 ] dalman > I didn't believe they were alts
[ 2003.09.17 18:28:47 ] dalman > but they do work together
[ 2003.09.17 18:29:00 ] Beneb > nexus hates votf and votf, red c's hate nexus it's that simple
[ 2003.09.17 18:29:04 ] Beneb > yes they do
[ 2003.09.17 18:29:12 ] dalman > hehe
[ 2003.09.17 18:30:11 ] Beneb > well ok wanted to straighten this mess out a little
[ 2003.09.17 18:30:19 ] Beneb > thanks for your time :)
[ 2003.09.17 18:30:23 ] dalman > I appreciate that
[ 2003.09.17 18:30:28 ] dalman > cya
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Temerlyn
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Posted - 2003.10.05 12:07:00 -
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k easy answer for that.
We have had a membership issue due to people quiting eve so we have had to re asses our situation.
We have had to change our ways alot of the past few weeks and adapt to the current climate we have suffered from.
But we are part of the alliance even if its in name till we can get back on our feet.
And this post was made on my own behalf without any knowledge from the curse alliance itself.
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nails
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Posted - 2003.10.05 12:14:00 -
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The whole curse thing confuses the hell out of me. Ota corps would have probably moved there months ago if sinister did not require a fee. Oh well, it was fun and interesting either way, but I suck at eve politics.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.05 12:28:00 -
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[ 2003.09.17 18:25:28 ] Beneb > over the last few weeks we, STK, have pretty much pulled out of any kind of alliance down there because they were headed in directions we didn't want to go.
[ 2003.09.17 18:26:07 ] Beneb > i just want to let you know STK is no threat to Mass, any SA member or the CC
[ 2003.09.17 18:26:20 ] Beneb > we look after ourselves, kinda like the nomads
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STK a long time ago had talkings with the stain alliance and we didnt apreciate there rigid and structured ways, more so we didn't like there arogant attitude. Thus we have harboured wanton distruction of stain for quite some time.
Well guess what. So did alot of others it seems.
So thus the curse alliance was formed to give stain a real enemy.
I hope you understand that I find it hard how your corp can make these 2 statements.
I know you've had lots of members leaving EVE. But it does not explain this.
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Jessica Logan
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Posted - 2003.10.05 12:41:00 -
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This is why I dun like Alliances.
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semp
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Posted - 2003.10.05 12:48:00 -
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"STK a long time ago had talkings with the stain alliance and we didnt apreciate there rigid and structured ways, more so we didn't like there arogant attitude."
This is priceless :)
So SINC turn up in curse with all there lackys, TELL all the corps in curse they can be put on a list for 24h so SINC wont blow them up...giving them time to sign up to their newly formed CA, or be blown out of the sky. And you call SA arogant?
Semp
CEO Tyrell Corp
Curse Coalition
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Whoopsie
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Posted - 2003.10.05 12:57:00 -
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So SINC turn up in curse with all there lackys, TELL all the corps in curse they can be put on a list for 24h so SINC wont blow them up...giving them time to sign up to their newly formed CA, or be blown out of the sky. And you call SA arogant?
Really? There are lots of corps in Curse that never received a threat like that. maybe its because you had been paying SINC 10M in ISK and minerals per week for their friendship and then threatened them when they came home
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Temerlyn
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Posted - 2003.10.05 13:04:00 -
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Edited by: Temerlyn on 05/10/2003 13:06:34
Again misconception.
You all assume Sinister run the show in the curse alliance just because there more vocal on the borads?
As for beneb's statement and my statements, Beneb has less activity with STK Due to rl commitments and it is hard to keep track of such exchanged of communications, this is the first i have heard about this conversation between you and beneb.
beneb is one of the most trusted individuals in STK but a communication issue has arrisen due to time zone constraints and RL commitments.
i.e. i thought he knew about our decision through others but that isnt the case and when i get a chance ill have a chat and bring him upto speed.
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Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.10.05 13:20:00 -
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ehehehe! Temerlyn! 
So what you're saying is: The "arrogant" Stain Alliance was quite happy to stay entrenched in their cosy little off-the-beaten-path region and defend it against incursions, but:
Sinister, (who had previously been nasty, eeeevil small-time pirates), then decided to take it to a new level, moved to Curse with their supporting corporations, made a deal ( - At gunpoint?) with the locals and created the Curse Alliance in order to invade the "peaceful" Stain Alliance, which failed.. turning both Stain and Curse, (and the no-man's-land of Catch) into warzones that have claimed many innocent ships & pilots.
Scrapyard Jack appreciates your honesty, and would like to extend a personal thank-you for clearing up the matter of who was responsible for the whole affair.
It's refreshing to see a representative of the Curse Alliance own up in this manner and say: "We are the bad guys."
Bravo...
ehehehe!
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Temerlyn
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Posted - 2003.10.05 13:25:00 -
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Edited by: Temerlyn on 05/10/2003 13:28:25
ha ha this is so much fun.
Again some one else assumes to much.
Sinister has never had the power to force us to do anything. If anything we have accepted our fights as futile between each other and joined together to fight something bigger more worthwhile and alot more fun.
As for a peacefull stain alliance what a load of [insert appropriate word]. There peacefull as long as you pay them money to be in the area. They control a large section of space with stations close to bistot fields to make the stronger and more pwoerful and they will kill anyone who even shows any sign of Moving in.
There capitalists and i have no qualm about that. We are capitalists and curse suits our purpose. We are at war to give us purpose and make the mining more worthwhile.
As for this misconception of Bad guys wtf is that.
This world isn't black or white.
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Starwolf
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Posted - 2003.10.05 13:30:00 -
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Black or White??????
Infamous pirate corp known for wantonly destroying anything they see or infamous alliance known for vigorously defending there region.
Sinister = Pirate Corp
Stain = Solid Alliance
Guess that makes you part of a pirate alliance.
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Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.10.05 13:37:00 -
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Edited by: Scrapyard Jack on 05/10/2003 13:38:51
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As for a peacefull stain alliance what a load of [insert appropriate word]. There peacefull as long as you pay them money to be in the area. They control a large section of space with stations close to bistot fields to make the stronger and more pwoerful and they will kill anyone who even shows any sign of Moving in.
Ah, Scrapyard Jack understands! The Stain Alliance is only peaceful until you try and invade their region to jump their claim.
.. uhh .. the rotters?
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As for this misconception of Bad guys wtf is that.
ehehehe! How else would you label an alliance created purely for the purpose of invading and disrupting another alliance's peaceful operations?
Edit: Dodgy Quotes!
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Temerlyn
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Posted - 2003.10.05 13:41:00 -
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Actually scrapy we have not realy attacked stain on a major scale, just a few small groups going in to have a look and cause some trouble.
The main fighting has been in curse defending our home. Stain are well established and we are new. So they have that advantage over us. But the curse alliance has a steady resolve and have shown they can be a formidable force.
Stain claim the curse alliance will die but i cant see that happening by there hands.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.05 13:49:00 -
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As for a peacefull stain alliance what a load of [insert appropriate word]. There peacefull as long as you pay them money to be in the area.
This is WRONG. I assume this thought is because Fountain started to sell passes. There is NO WAY you can be allowed into Stain by paying money. The ONLY was to get a pass in Stain is by diplomacy.
I don't claim that we are peaceful. I don't claim we are "white". We are in this game for PvP. But there is one big difference. We don't attack innocents. The targets we've choosen for our PvP were ONLY well known pirate/terrorist corps.
And you (STK) know damn well that we NEVER attacked any of you until the day when you officially stated you were allied with Sinister and Red Corsairs, 2 corps that have been targets for us for a long long time. (and as you can see from the convo above, I stated that STK did not have a negative standing with us)
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Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.10.05 13:50:00 -
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Actually scrapy we have not realy attacked stain on a major scale, just a few small groups going in to have a look and cause some trouble.
The main fighting has been in curse defending our home.
ehehehe! In other words: the Stain Alliance whippedcha and counter-attacked, and you're all sat in stations trying to think of a cunning plan...
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Stain claim the curse alliance will die but i cant see that happening by there hands.
ehehehe! The CA is currently under attack by the Curse Coalition, (who apparently got bored with Sinister), Evolution (who just like a good scrap now and again), and the counter-attacking forces of the Stain Alliance...
Two of the cornerstones of the Curse Alliance's supporting corporations, m0o and RUS, have lost many of their high-profile members recently .. (Were you not commenting that STK Scientific had been suffering an exodus of late?)
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Jessica Logan
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Posted - 2003.10.05 13:52:00 -
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Heh, I've noticed that the ones with original writing/posting styles tend to be the ones with the strongest arguments. 
Funnily enough, none of these people choose to litter their posts with the word "carebear".
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.05 13:57:00 -
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Actually scrapy we have not realy attacked stain on a major scale, just a few small groups going in to have a look and cause some trouble.
The main fighting has been in curse defending our home. Stain are well established and we are new. So they have that advantage over us. But the curse alliance has a steady resolve and have shown they can be a formidable force.
Stain claim the curse alliance will die but i cant see that happening by there hands.
FYI: On the first day after the creation of your alliance CA sent 20+ ships into DSS-EZ(in Stain). After that we decided to really fight you, and "all" combat have been in Curse and Catch.
As for not happening by our hands... Yesterday was yet another day when the score was in a factor of at least 3-1 against you.
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2003.10.05 15:44:00 -
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Edited by: Sarkos on 05/10/2003 15:49:13
First of all, let me say that Oracle are not pirates either, unless you consider freeing slaves from those that deal in them. As to the statement that Sinister charges a fee, well that's not quite correct. We, as an alliance, agreed to a weekly fee to help purchase insurance for the pilots of those that help defend Curse. The councel of CEO's voted this idea in, unanimously. We also have alliance run mining operations to help replace those ships when lost.
Another note is that the war situation in Curse began with MASS and The Collective entering to combat Red Corsairs. They expected all of us to stand by and buckle under to their demands. We chose not to. As an alliance we stood to defend our own. Thus, the Stain/Curse war began.
As the war escallated, the SA found they had biten off more than they could chew. We did not hide under our beds and let the powerfull Stain Alliance walk over us. We fought back and damage was inflicted on both sides. Soon we found the the other corporations in the SA had joined in. We fought on, again damage was being done to both sides.
At about this time, Sinister/RUS showed up. Having been hired by the CC to kill us, they instead entered into negotiations as their dislike of the SA is well known. They concluded to help make a permenent home here and those still wanting to pirate joined another organization. With new strength, we again fought on. Once again seeing as how we did not concede to thier whims,The SA called in their trump card. They called upon favors from Fountain.
Now, Evolution and Xanadu have joined the Stain alliance in the attacks against us, guised in the pretense of attacking Sinister and it's allies. Myself and others received a PM from Art Dillinga from Xanadu threatening us if we did not pull out of Curse. Myself and the others, not responding well to threats chose to stand by those we pledged to help protect.
In the Curse alliance, we have many corps that have no real PvP experience. Being mostly miners. We fight not only for our autonomy, but to protect them. At the present time, the FA has started to bring all of it's members, so we now stand united against the full forces of the SA and FA, two of the oldest and most powerful alliances in EVE. We fight on, and casualties are dished out on all sides. We will not give in to the demands of those that attack us. We fight for freedom and the right to exist.
I ask all that live in this universe to think for a moment. If Sinister were still the pirates they are accused of, would we non-pirates stand and fight for them? No. They have dedicated themselves to our common cause, and have fought and died to aid it. They stand with us, not above us. They are an eqall member of the Curse Alliance, they do not run it.
Now we stand alone against the major forces in the universe, unbowing, unbroken. We defy those that would invade our home as any would defend their residence. Though out manned and out gunned, we stand united in our cause, and will do so until an end is reached, regardless of the outcome.
FOR FREEDOM!
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Art Dillinja
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Posted - 2003.10.05 15:59:00 -
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Sarkos > So, you cant even fight your enemies, but threaten all associated in the hopes of scaring us. Well Mr. Dillinga, bring it on. I am not afraid and I am not running. Who are you to come here and make demands. Take your attitude and cram it.
"ouch"
FA corps (EVOL/XAN/DP) being in curse has nothing to do with the SA. We are here for SINC and their allies. I see that you dont know the whole history of the FA / SINC conflict, but at least dont make up things here.
I informed you that we will come after SINC. You asked us to bring it on. Here we are.
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2003.10.05 16:03:00 -
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Dude... reading that post the Braveheart tune kept echoing through my mind 
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Shrike
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Posted - 2003.10.05 16:18:00 -
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Now we stand alone against the major forces in the universe, unbowing, unbroken.
You may want to revise that "unbowing, unbroken part".
Small sample;
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Frade Sampson > What the **** is your problem
Frade Sampson > you son of a *****
Shrike > ORACLE is a target. ORAClE is helpinf SINC. Speak to your CEO about why.
Frade Sampson > why did you pod me
Shrike > Because you are a target.
Frade Sampson > no, poding is not allowed i think
Shrike > Excuse me? Poddinmg is not allowed according to who?
Frade Sampson > i done talking to you
Frade Sampson > ******* piece of ****
Shrike > Have a nice day sir.
So far we (EVOL) have taken out roughly about 4-5 ORACLE battleships, and about the same amount of cruisers.
Your pilots spirits do not seem very unbroken to me. Why else would all of them be in GEHI instead of inside Curse, fighting us?
Wake up and smell the sea Sarkos.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.05 16:22:00 -
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Now Sarkos, this is complete bull****
You're right about one thing, and one thing only. That MASS and TC were attacking Red Corsairs in Curse.
The only other corps we started to attack were VOTF and Shinra. Both of them stated they were helping Red Corsairs, and Shinra participated in MANY blockades in both Curse and Catch.
Nothing more happened until Sinister arrived and you officially formed a big alliance that was hostile to Stain. Since that day, SA has attacked you.
Fountain has nothing to do with us. And it's not all of Fountain. If you don't know, it's been a long time since Evolution stated that they WILL destroy Sinister and everyone working with Sinister, no matter where Sinister go.
Stop your nice writing when your facts are so wrong.
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Art Dillinja
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Posted - 2003.10.05 16:30:00 -
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Stop your nice writing when your facts are so wrong.
Oracle more or less reduced itself to fiction again.
Back to the roots...
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2003.10.05 17:02:00 -
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Yes Shirke. Frade Sampson is one of our newest members. He lacks PvP skills and as such would be an easy target if you had a frigate. But, even his will is unbent. Though he lost his Stabber, he has requested another so as to fight back, not a broken spirit where I come from.
Dalman, VOTF and Shinra engaged you as they were allied with RC, something allies are supposed to do. They did not abandon their friends nor whimper at your demands. They, like all of us now stand firm in the commitment to those we have pledged support of.
Art Dillinga, what did you expect when you contact us with such a piece of trash as to boldly threaten us, and other corps. Your intent was to scare us away so as to help the SA unhindered. We, as well as others will not give in to the likes of you, or your ilk. You swagger around throwing the threat of your mighty strength and expect people to abandon thier commitments through fear. We, as well of the others in Curse are not afraid. We are honor bound to fight for our home in the cosmos, and we will do so.
*Proud member of the Curse Alliance*
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Art Dillinja
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Posted - 2003.10.05 17:15:00 -
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You allied our enemies. I was so kind as to inform you that this will make you our enemy.
It amuses me how you try to turn this into a story of honour and betrayal when it is infact a story of poor political and diplomatic judgement.
Stick to fiction. Reality bites.
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Rust
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Posted - 2003.10.05 17:56:00 -
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Edited by: Sarkos on 05/10/2003 15:49:13
I ask all that live in this universe to think for a moment. If Sinister were still the pirates they are accused of, would we non-pirates stand and fight for them? No. They have dedicated themselves to our common cause, and have fought and died to aid it. They stand with us, not above us. They are an eqall member of the Curse Alliance, they do not run it.
I have seen this argument put several times, and it still leaves me stunned with the sheer naivity of the logic.
I have now participated in many threads about CA and Sinister, and without exception Sinister have agreed they came to Curse knowing they were going to carry on the fight with SA in general and MASS uin particular.
If they wanted to turn from the path of fighting, why did they come to Curse - rather than an area of space where they would not start a war?
Sinister do not attack you because you are PAYING to replace their ships lost in the ongoing fight between us. You also provide some ships to support them.
Sinister did not come to fight by your sides - thay came to fight us, and use you to replace their loses. What will happen to you if you refuse to pay their 'protection' money?
They have no common cause with you - we coexsisted happily when they weren't in Curse. They don't die for you - they waste ships and demand you relpace them.
Everyone else can see it, except the few like you - who don't want to, or dare not.
If you admitted like the original poster that you wanted the thrill of fighting by the side of Sinister against a great allience - then I would applaud you - but to claim Sinister is here to help you, rather then bleed you dry - well I just pity you.
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Ganja
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Posted - 2003.10.05 18:58:00 -
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Sinister, (who had previously been nasty, eeeevil small-time pirates), then decided to take it to a new level, moved to Curse with their supporting corporations, made a deal ( - At gunpoint?) with the locals and created the Curse Alliance in order to invade the "peaceful" Stain Alliance, which failed.. turning both Stain and Curse, (and the no-man's-land of Catch) into warzones that have claimed many innocent ships & pilots.
Eh.. we didn't move out of FD/PF/4C until AFTER the deal was made, then we all made our way into Curse..
We never threatened anyone, or made any comments about aggression.
Sinister and every other corporation in CA mearly have the same objectives and choose to work together to accomplish them.
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Condemner
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Posted - 2003.10.05 19:33:00 -
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where did u get this charging ****? we don't get charged by sin lmao ur on ***** we work together to build and rebuild as an alliance so that we may rid our area of your loathsome ilk
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Supe
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Posted - 2003.10.05 19:40:00 -
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How ironic that they fail to mention that they threaten member corps of CA to either switch sides or die cuz theyll pick on our indies and newer players. A loss for anew player while great can be replaced slowly when you start winning major battles with real pvpers then you can talk.
Bottem line is It's FA/SA/ Some fools in curse payed off. VS CA and we are holding our own. Granted when all of stain/fountian come down we can't fight 4-7 to 1 odds and we would we even try?
You can camp parts of curse with your huge odds all you want we can go elsewhere in curse cuz you won't dare spread your forces thin.
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