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w3ak3stl1nk
Hedion University
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Posted - 2014.08.24 19:19:00 -
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If omnidirectional tracking links boost tracking from ship then it would make sense for tracking disruptors to affect them also.
Is that my two cents or yours? |
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
885
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Posted - 2014.08.24 19:20:00 -
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w3ak3stl1nk wrote:If omnidirectional tracking links boost tracking from ship then it would make sense for tracking disruptors to affect them also.
indeed .. drones need more counters ....
Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists
ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic.
Nerf web strength ..... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please. |
w3ak3stl1nk
Hedion University
84
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Posted - 2014.08.24 19:52:00 -
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I guess I was just looking at countering the module... Not necessarily drones themselves. If the module did not exist then the idea would be pointless as they viewed as semi solitary systems.
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Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
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Posted - 2014.08.24 20:04:00 -
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Too bad you don't have anti-tp mods, anti-web mods, anti-scram mods ... why anti omni ? TD the drones or blow them up. Last I checked you can't shoot turrets down. Or maneuver the drones so they cut down on transversal or spiral in or out or ...
Why does everything always have to be the same cause other things have it ? This is getting pretty much tiring.
Anyway, if you are suggesting a countermodule to a module, good luck, this has been suggested before and will probably go down the same way.
Are you sure your issues aren't elsewhere ?! |
James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
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Posted - 2014.08.24 20:07:00 -
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I think this idea makes slightly more sense with the increased numbers of drone modules, bringing them more into line with turrets and missiles. That said, drones are countered by killing the drones. This is sufficient counter IMO, until/unless drones get a wave of buffs.
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w3ak3stl1nk
Hedion University
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Posted - 2014.08.24 20:13:00 -
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Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:Too bad you don't have anti-tp mods, anti-web mods, anti-scram mods ... why anti omni ? TD the drones or blow them up. Last I checked you can't shoot turrets down. Or maneuver the drones so they cut down on transversal or spiral in or out or ...
Why does everything always have to be the same cause other things have it ? This is getting pretty much tiring.
Anyway, if you are suggesting a countermodule to a module, good luck, this has been suggested before and will probably go down the same way.
You are probably right. This counters a boost not EWar.
Is that my two cents or yours? |
Hakan MacTrew
MUTED VOID
Takahashi Alliance
864
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Posted - 2014.08.24 20:26:00 -
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Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:Too bad you don't have...
anti-web mods
Afterburner's, Nano's, Overdrive's
Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:anti-scram mods
Warp Core Stab's
Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:anti-tp mods
...you've got me there.
If the effect was restricted to only reducing the effects of Omnidirectional mods/Nav Comps, then I would be all for it.
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Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
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Posted - 2014.08.24 20:36:00 -
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Well, they are not really anti mods. I's rather the reverse. But if you count up boosts, show me the multitude of boosts for drones and I show you way more options for ships. Starting with resists.
I was expecting an answer like this, but it doesn't really relate to the suggestion at hand. All of those are support mods/rigs for the ship and there are no direct counters. The only decent examples would be of course tracking computers vs tracking disruptors and that's directed at the receiving ship, not a host.
What the suggestion is comparable with, would be to TD an Onerios and the RTE to another ship will be cut off. For that you would use neuts for example. Not every module has or should have a direct counter.
But I guess you knew what I meant anyway.
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Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
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Posted - 2014.08.24 21:12:00 -
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Came expecting request for Tracking Disruptor to affect drones directly, as they currently don't apparently.
Am disappointed to see a call to water down drones intended strength of being resistant to ewar with another poorly thought out call to have drones be shut down by ewar on host ship.
Drones should be as vulnerable to ewar, individually, as any other ship. That is their intended strength, part of what they pay for by being eligible for individual explosion. On the level of each drone individually is where this fix needs to take place. |
w3ak3stl1nk
Hedion University
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Posted - 2014.08.24 21:33:00 -
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Maybe a script would convert tracking disruption applied to host to apply to drones instead?
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Alcorak
Culpa Latas
Never Look Back
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Posted - 2014.08.25 01:32:00 -
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TL;DR: tracking disruptors are good enough as they are - this requires new anti-drone modules. Also, death to supers.
This idea seems similar to the idea of tracking disruptors affecting missiles. We neither need nor want to have one single answer to all possible DPS from any weapon ever, lest every PvP ship in EvE would fit one or even 2 of these, and everyone would armor tank to free up the mid slots to do so. Even ECM strength is divided into racial varients to prevent it from being too OP. I would, however, agree that there does need to be an EWAR module counter to drones.
I suggest at least one of the following 2 modules, which can be used to reduce enemy drone control range or bandwidth. Of course, with new modules also comes the potential for future hull bonuses:
Drone Range Inhibitor: Fittings similar to Remote Sensor Dampeners. Does not use scripts. Reduces enemy drone control range by 15-30% depending on skills/item meta, and subject to stacking penalties. By reducing control range, much like RSD's, enemy fleets can be forced into comfortable engagement range, or forced to disengage.
Drone Control Inhibitor S/M/L: Fittings similar to similar sized MWD with low cap usage, limit 1 active per ship with meta levels increasing range. Reduces enemy bandwidth by 5/10/25 Mbps. This flat-out reduces DPS. By losing control of drones, or being forced to launch smaller drones, the reduced DPS can be seen as an analog to tracking disruption.
In the interest of also impacting the power of supercaps and producing a larger role for subcaps on the field, I would also suggest allowing the large module to get through supercarrier ewar immunity. I would also suggest that all applied modules beyond 20 will reduce a super's bandwidth by 100, due to their very large total bandwidth. In this instance, 1-20 large DCI's would reduce the number of fighter-bombers controlable by 1, 21-25 by 2, 25-30 by 3, and taking 86 battleships to totally eliminate a super's ability to launch fighter-bombers (though honestly at that point, better off picking off the drones than using this ewar -so maybe tinker with these numbers a bit if this suggestion is considered valid). |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.25 01:42:00 -
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Hakan MacTrew wrote:Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:anti-tp mods ...you've got me there. If the effect was restricted to only reducing the effects of Omnidirectional mods/Nav Comps, then I would be all for it.
Targeting range dampener.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
10
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Posted - 2014.08.25 07:23:00 -
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tracking disruptors do affect drones you just have to apply them to the drone |
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