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Bad Messenger
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Posted - 2014.08.29 14:14:00 -
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Quentin Marshall wrote:I don't understand how Caldari didn't take at least a couple systems back to prevent 100% warzone dominance. They can easily plex back systems far beyond the reach of where Gallente base out of. This would've been a good troll.
no profit on that, better to grind highsec level 4 missions than farm fw plexes with tier 1.
CCP nerfed fw farming once again to point where it is not profitable enough, and same happened than last time, someone took all systems because farmers who were supposed to keep thing moving are gone.
why it was gallente who took systems was clear, caldari vetarans quit long time ago when CCP did same nerf and i bet they are not coming back to take systems, so gallente was once again kicking ball to empty goal after game was over.
CCP sure can not learn from their previous mistakes. |

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Posted - 2014.08.30 19:22:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:no profit on that, better to grind highsec level 4 missions than farm fw plexes with tier 1.
CCP nerfed fw farming once again to point where it is not profitable enough, and same happened than last time, someone took all systems because farmers who were supposed to keep thing moving are gone.
why it was gallente who took systems was clear, caldari vetarans quit long time ago when CCP did same nerf and i bet they are not coming back to take systems, so gallente was once again kicking ball to empty goal after game was over.
CCP sure can not learn from their previous mistakes. We got fights everywhere apart from your home ground. You speak for a militia that either thinks your group are ignorant at best or for the most part have no idea you exist. The goal was open because you have no team.
it is not about fights, it is about game mechanics |

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Posted - 2014.09.02 16:40:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Don't know what the fuss is all about. Most of the time, taking a home system generates a ton of content (Okkamon, Pav/Kinakka, Asakai), and sometimes it doesn't (Heyd, Ladistier). Whatever. We were in "Take Warzone Beast Mode" and accept that one of the consequences was no fights at the end. The only thing lolworthy here is Squatdog's assessment only because he was spot on in his analysis. The way to beat the blob is to spread out and force fights in many places. The Amarr did this exact thing to the Minmatar when they were down to just Sahtogas and it worked for them. Caldari could have potentially royally griefed us Gallente militia neckbeards if they had employed this strategy BEFORE all the systems were taken. Maybe we would have adjusted, maybe we wouldn't have - we'll never know. Whatever. Good to see you back. Never thought you'd leave. I think it's time to add "We didn't want to maintain total warzone control anyways"  Edit: Also, you guys still have us in total time warzone controlled with a score of about 180 days to 4. 
Thing is simple, it is not profitable to plex on tier 1 anymore, so no one does it , game mechanics is broken just like it was last time gallente took all systems. |

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Posted - 2014.09.02 17:32:00 -
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Deacon Abox wrote:Bad Messenger wrote: Thing is simple, it is not profitable to plex on tier 1 anymore, so no one does it , game mechanics is broken just like it was last time gallente took all systems. Whereas it wasn't way back when you took the warzone?  To be serious with you BM, we all agree that the lp system is ******. And we've been saying so. But it wasn't lp farmers that plexed your home systems and flipped the bunkers. Anyway, love the tears of those others that complain about gallente "blobs". Love the claims of "200 Gallente in local" (obviously someone who's overview is so ****** up he can't differentiate between neutrals and Galmil but only sees those that aren't blue or purple to him  ). Love to see ole' Squat Dog back and posting. As was just said above, don't worry, you'll have a nullsec alliance join you soon. Eventually your Navy Raven farming hordes will be back and all will be well. 
Back when Caldari took all systems there was no isk/lp reward at all, so making isk was not driving everyone to join one side and farm easy money :).
I bet there is no single Caldari who is mad about losing system for their own farming alts, but thing that even everyone is happy with current easy isk with tier 4 for ever system, it is not still working as game mechanics CCP inteded it to be. |

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Posted - 2014.09.02 17:40:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Thing is simple, it is not profitable to plex on tier 1 anymore, so no one does it , game mechanics is broken just like it was last time gallente took all systems. But they were fine when you guys held the warzone. Im beginning to notice a pattern! As for squatdog, i imagine he is just trolling. He wasnt even there for any of the systems that put up a defence. All he did was sit in Ladister for the 13 day campaign keeping it stable as though that was going to stop us. Okkamon took us nearly a week to capture, numerical superiority swung from fairly even in EU tz, though they often stayed docked due to lack of FC, sometimes we would sit there plexing with 20-25 people in local as they logged in. They would be sat with equal numbers for sometimes 2 hours before making a move. Twice during Okkamon siege there were over 100 squids in 3 separate fleets during US tz compared to our 40-60 number. But ultimately their procrastination in the EU, lack of AU tz and inconsistent US tz cost them the system.
CCP designed FW on way that isk keeps it flip flopping, but then they nerfed farmers on tier1, so best is to farm on one side with high tier.
If you can do easily bigger plexes you can sure do lvl4 fw missions too , so why to plex with tier1 when you can do missions with tier4. |

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Posted - 2014.09.02 18:37:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Deacon Abox wrote:Bad Messenger wrote: Thing is simple, it is not profitable to plex on tier 1 anymore, so no one does it , game mechanics is broken just like it was last time gallente took all systems. Whereas it wasn't way back when you took the warzone?  To be serious with you BM, we all agree that the lp system is ******. And we've been saying so. But it wasn't lp farmers that plexed your home systems and flipped the bunkers. Anyway, love the tears of those others that complain about gallente "blobs". Love the claims of "200 Gallente in local" (obviously someone who's overview is so ****** up he can't differentiate between neutrals and Galmil but only sees those that aren't blue or purple to him  ). Love to see ole' Squat Dog back and posting. As was just said above, don't worry, you'll have a nullsec alliance join you soon. Eventually your Navy Raven farming hordes will be back and all will be well.  Back when Caldari took all systems there was no isk/lp reward at all, so making isk was not driving everyone to join one side and farm easy money :). I bet there is no single Caldari who is mad about losing system for their own farming alts, but thing that even everyone is happy with current easy isk with tier 4 for ever system, it is not still working as game mechanics CCP inteded it to be. So if isk is the driving factor then the mechanic is broken? When will-power and bragging rights are the driving factor the mechanics are sound? No matter how utterly skewed and biased the mechanics actually were? Well, by that standard we still win. We were at tier 4 before the push, and were at tier 4 now. People didnt earn a great deal of LP in this push. So its pretty clear that our motivation here was the same as your motivation back then. To win, not make isk. Since the specific mechanics dont matter (by your standards) when judging if mechanics are broken, and all that matters is that occupancy is driven by the will to win and not isk, its pretty clear that our victory is every bit as valid as yours. Well, tbh a lot more valid since more than 20 people dominating the after downtime spawn can play now :)
Are you mad about something? is it so hard to admit that once again CCP nerfed victory for gallente, sad thing that they used same method than last time and you do not still get it. |

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Posted - 2014.09.02 18:49:00 -
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Veskrashen wrote:Personal opinion, but folks who claim ISK UBER ALLES as the only valid determinant of the FW mechanics are missing the large number of folks for whom it's KMS UBER ALLES and GUDFITES UBER ALLES and EPEEN UBER ALLES. Sure, Tier and isk/LP ratios matter in terms of sustainability for a lot of pilots, but we Gallente haven't been in it for the iskies. Lots of us in the more active GalMil corps have relied on incursions / exploration / WHs / PI / industry for our isk rather than missions and plexing.
Point being - incentives matter, but the amount of influence they have is exactly how much influence you give them.
point is that you won war without enemy. ofc some people fight but reason is not always to keep systems, it is just to have fights. |

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Posted - 2014.09.03 02:37:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:point is that you won war without enemy. ofc some people fight but reason is not always to keep systems, it is just to have fights. Our (fail) leadership at the time did the same thing when you guys took the warzone. They quit at about Aldranette/Esesier and hoped that you'd move on to something else once you took the warzone.
it is not same, i bet you did not have alts on caldari side doing offencive plexes for lp/isk like caldari had now alts on gallente making lp/isk.
reason why no one defend ladistier could be that all was attacking it with alts. |

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Posted - 2014.09.04 23:16:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Rahelis wrote:There is nothing in FW that is worth fighting for .. There is nothing in this game worth fighting for - unless you decide it's worth it.
sometimes it is profitable to fight for something, but now in fw it is more profitable to just stay on same side and farm. make isk no war. |

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Posted - 2014.09.05 15:58:00 -
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Yun Kuai wrote:Since when did hiding in a POS next to a Titan become marching? Oh you nullbears never learn. When will people realize that fighting an enemy who only bridges an exact counter to your fleet and constantly has caps on standby is not fun to fight. Hope you got lotion next to your chair for all those blue balls you're gonna get.
well, same goes with other tactics too so... who is not learning is the question |
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Posted - 2014.09.05 16:01:00 -
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Veskrashen wrote:Cearain wrote: FW has overwhelming numbers of people deciding the occupancy war is not worth it.
At some point a rational person might decide to try and figure out why that is.
PROTIP: People who care about occupancy warfare don't generally care about LP or isk, beyond that needed to sustain the occupancy war. Thus, those saying it's "not worth it" either don't have the organizational support to effectively engage in occupancy warfare, or are more interested in farming LP.
why to do same thing for cause when doing same elsewhere give lot of isk? |

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Posted - 2014.09.13 01:54:00 -
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Val Erian wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Myth Oceanas wrote:History is written by the winners. So I'd listen to the GalMil, because its apparent they did something right. You would think that's true, but I wrote an extremely detailed account of how we took the warzone the first time and nobody believed me. They can't handle the truth.
truth? there is no single truth, only as many different versions about the truth as there is people in the world.
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