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Mangus Thermopyle Chosen Path Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:22:00 - [1] So Caldari gets a BS that will simply be the best for fleet engagements, and they already have the best ship for PvE! And gallente get f*cked bigtime by a blaster boat which as we all know is useless for everything except a few very specific PvP situations. What a complete anticlimax. Instead of fixing the PvP and PvE balance, they only made it more unbalanced.
Mangus Thermopyle Chosen Path Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:59:00 - [2] I simply cant believe that these stats will be final. No way CCP has tested these BSes for balance. Minmatar and Caldari get wtfpwn battleships, while Amarr and especially Gallente get battleships thats hardly better than the existing ones, and in many way worse. Why not simply remove every race except Caldari, now that Caldari is best in PvP and PvE?
Mangus Thermopyle Chosen Path Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:55:00 - [3] Originally by: Hoshi Originally by: BoinKlasik wait a ******* second.... base optimal on 425iis = 57km 571.5 (required sharpshooter 5) 2 (spike)*1.5 (bs5 rare, but useful in any case) optimal of almost 214... 1 tracking comp 2 puts us to 245.8 yay mag field stabs! i guess. Still going to do less damage than a mega. The mega pilot will only need BS 3 to outdamage it. And the mega can also reach 250km without too much problems, sure you use up more slots but what are you going to put there instead? No ew reach that far. It's going to be nice for the people that haven't got t2 large rails yet but that's about it. Thats simply not true. Longer range means you can use less tracking enhancers, which means you can use more magstabs. And even one extra magstabs will make it damage more. But then you can also start to use javelin instead of spike, and still hit at sniper range (150km). All in all, Rokh will do something like 30% more damage in normal 150km fleet engagements.
Mangus Thermopyle Chosen Path Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:22:00 - [4] Originally by: Noriath Well, now that Caldari have the Scorpion and the Rokh there is really no reason to field a fleet that has anything that isn't Caldari in it. Hooray for the ultimate noob race. Dont forget that they also have the best ship for PvE (Raven), the best HAC for PvE (Cerberus), the best bomber (manticore) and the overall best interceptor (crow). Makes you wonder why we simply dont remove the other races?
Mangus Thermopyle Chosen Path Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.07.25 23:48:00 - [5] Originally by: Tuxford Hyperion, we couldn't really have satisfied everyone here, some want blaster boat other want some sort of drone dampening boat, and some others might want a long range tank. We decided on blaster boat, the way it is now I don't think it makes Megathron obsolete. Not everyone will be happy, but atleast you could try like you did for the other races. You made 3 very exciting BSes, especially the Minmatar one will be fun to try, but why make a new blasterthron? There has to be something more fun that can be done with it. For example: a pure droneboat (no weapon hardpoints) that can equip the drone control unit like a carrier can, but that cant use fighter drones ofcourse. Or a dampener/gun boat hybrid. Or a railboat with special sentry drone bonuses (longer range, etc). There are so many ways to make a fun tier3 BS for Gallente, so why chose a blasterthron with 8 turret hardpoints?
Mangus Thermopyle Chosen Path Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.07.26 15:50:00 - [6] Seems to me that every tier3 BS fills a role except Hyperion, which will be awful at long range and still lose bigtime against torp-Raven and nos-Domi on close range. What exactly is Hyperions role? Who will fly it, and why? Talk about useless ship
Mangus Thermopyle Chosen Path Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.07.26 17:11:00 - [7] As I said earlier, a blaster boat is pretty useless, and only works in very specific situations. But if it has to be a blaster boat (and CCP wants Gallente to get the worst tier3 BS), atleast give it some real bonuses like: - no CAP penalty for mwd - 20%/level falloff - 10%/level tracking - 5%/level damage Only with stats like this will it truly be a good BS for closerange. And only with stats like this will it be able to stand a chance against torp-Raven and nos-Domi in a close range 1-on-1.
Mangus Thermopyle Chosen Path Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.07.27 11:50:00 - [8] I think its safe to say that hyperion will change quite drastically from what we se now. Its an absolute awful ship, useless in all but a few very specific situations, and not even that good in those situations. Its a tier 3 BS, specially made for close range combat, thats loses to several tier 2 and tier 1 BS at that close range. It really does not matter if it gets a tracking bonus or not, or if its base speed is 200 of 160. It will still be a useless ship. I am willing to bet that the most common use of it will be as a smartbomb ship.
Mangus Thermopyle Chosen Path Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.07.27 15:07:00 - [9] Originally by: Lenaria Ppls, you dont get a point with Hyperion - its actually better fleet ship than Mega. With its 2 extra mid it can offset its targeting range penalty with 1 SB, leaving 1 addidional mid for whatever use. And it do 15% more damage than Mega, and have much better HP. What else you need for fleet battles? And its a end-of-all excellent blaster boat too... Compare it to Maelstrom, which do only 6% better damgage than Tempest with arties and have only 1 more mid. And sucks as AC platform. The Hyperion will have a very short locking range. For example, if its 30km, the max locking range you can get is 120km witth 4-5 t2 sensor boosters. And even at that range, the mega will probaby outdamage it due to more low slots and more PG. The Hyperion will suck badly at every single thing in game except as a smart bomb ship. Dont kid yourself thinking it will rock at close range, cause it wont. A blaster mega will beat it, a nos-domi will beat it, AC-tempest will easily beat it (falloff + speed), and a torp raven will crush it. I am willing to make a bet that I will easily win with a Raven vs a Hyperion, using no ECM or drones, just torps and a shield tank, and the Hyperion can choose at what range we should start. All I need to do is fit 2therm and 2kinetic hardeners, with a shield booster and shield boost amp, and BCU/PDUs in low. If I add 2 NOSes to this, the Raven will not only win, it will completely crush the Hyperion.
Mangus Thermopyle Chosen Path Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.07.27 18:37:00 - [10] Edited by: Mangus Thermopyle on 27/07/2006 18:40:35 Originally by: Avon Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle I am willing to make a bet that I will easily win with a Raven vs a Hyperion, using no ECM or drones, just torps and a shield tank, and the Hyperion can choose at what range we should start. All I need to do is fit 2therm and 2kinetic hardeners, with a shield booster and shield boost amp, and BCU/PDUs in low. If I add 2 NOSes to this, the Raven will not only win, it will completely crush the Hyperion. Well, jeez, if you are going to base ship setup on knowing what you are going to face, then it is easy. You set your Raven up like that to face a Hyperion, and I'll take you down in a Geddon. When combat in Eve become a series of known duels, then you may have a point, until then ... Well, the Hyperion will know its fighting a Raven ofcourse, but that wont help. And when a tier 3 BS, specialiced in close range combat, loses bigtime in a clone range combat against a tier 2 BS with a range of 70km, something is wrong in my opinion.

Mangus Thermopyle Chosen Path Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.07.29 01:09:00 - [11] Originally by: Saldea Europa I think Caladari should be renamed to Calderni, then there is no mistaking why these guys get the best of everything. Calderni = Icelandr Yea, I wish I could change my skillpoints to Caldari. They are best at almost everything now. Makes you wonder why there are 4 races you can play, when one is this much better. But I guess CCP feels they have to please the gazillion Caldari n00bs out there.
Mangus Thermopyle Chosen Path Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.07.29 16:39:00 - [12] Originally by: Jim McGregor Ths stats were old, so they arent really valid. I hope tier 3 doesnt give Caldari or Gallente another win button. Its getting old. Well, Gallente seems to get a "I Lose" button.

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