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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.07.26 01:00:00 -
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i think 8/7/5, but how about an 8/8/4 ?
it will need a good amount of mids to take best advantage of its bonus
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![Ath Amon Ath Amon](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1492563718/portrait?size=64)
Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.07.26 04:50:00 -
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i'm not quite happy looking at it on paper but in the end we have probably to try it before to judge.
what probably upset me the most is that many many times minnie supposed strenght is throw out of window.
minnies should have fast big hitters and now we get a slow cumbersome ship that can't dictate range (essential for ACs) while galliente will probably get the fastest/more maneuverable BS.
is not minmatar to stand still shoting at enemies that fight in their optimal and outmaneuver our ship.
the minnie "tank" should be more about low sig resolution, giving bad tracking and to fight in our optimal diminuishing damage we get from enemies.
maybe the ship will be good and we will be happy about it... but by how it was described it doesn't feel like a minnie ship.
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![Ath Amon Ath Amon](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1492563718/portrait?size=64)
Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.07.26 12:43:00 -
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/put on the AC whine cap
i really hope in a rework to ACs to make them more similar to arties...
so something like 7x dmg (maybe even more) on 800mm t2 and according speed to keep the DPS similar as it is now.
it will not be a big problem as in close range is not easy to hit orbiting cruiser or frigs (so no probs of instapops)
it will help big time with PvE
and will make them a bit more balanced compared to blasters that have both more alpha and dps, similar traking and with t2 ammo range is not a big issue.
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![Ath Amon Ath Amon](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1492563718/portrait?size=64)
Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.07.26 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Turiel Demon I realy don't think the Mael will have the slightest chance as an AC boat. It'll easily fit it gridwise yeah, but tha ammo carrying issue will just be too gimping because of it's need for cap injector.
I don't think we can seriously consider a passive cap recharge option as it will need MWD.
We can already say with certainty that an AC temp will not be able to take on a Hyperion without ECM, which is hopefully going to be utterly destroyed by the upcoming reballancing...
So how is a ship which will be slowER and less maneuverable, have maybe equal damage but effectively 2 less highslots, have the ammo efficiency of a bottomless pit, and be utterly cap reliant for an active tank supposed to hold up?
And that's assuming it has the midslots and CPU for a decent tank, which STILL won't last long as it's going to be relying on charges.
Even then what damage output are we looking at? maybe 700 with hail (meaning you stand still with 8 turrets)? Yeah, looks great ![Evil or Very Mad](/images/icon_evil.gif)
i mostly agree, this ship seem to be quite vulnerable to nos and dps are not that great... it seem more suited as an arty ship even if in fleet its bonus becomes a bit useless :/
for close range i fear it will become another sort of nos ship (depends by drone bay) or how about a big tanked tackler? ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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![Ath Amon Ath Amon](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1492563718/portrait?size=64)
Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.07.26 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Apertotes
so, what's stopping you from fitting 1, 2 or even 3 heavy nos on the new BS? oh yes, that you have 8 turret hard points... so the cyclone is better cause it only has 5 and lets you room to fit nos? so if, for example, tux went nuts and gave the cyclone 8 turret hardpoints, it would be a worse ship than it is now?
nothing but a tempest do basically the same damage with just 6 guns or if you prefer 6 guns 2 nos, it will also be faster and more maneuverable... so why to use the new BS if i have alredy the tempest?
yes the new ship will have more shield tankage but the tempest will balance that with dps, signature, agility and speed and also can chose to go on the armor tank route and fit ecm (ebil!!!) in mid slots
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![Ath Amon Ath Amon](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1492563718/portrait?size=64)
Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.07.26 17:20:00 -
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yup i agree
i'm very critical about the mael (and acs :P) and for sure i try to express my criticism bringing my (subjective) reasons
but people that started to insult him and his work are really taking this too much over the good sense, you can't insult a guy because it doesn't do the ship you want and i really hope Tux will consider these guys and their threats as they are...
i said i'm critique but i still appreciate Tux work and, even if i think some things should be a bit different, i have max respect for him... and so i think (and hope) is the same for the big part of guys that try to bring constructive criticism
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![Ath Amon Ath Amon](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1492563718/portrait?size=64)
Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.07.26 19:41:00 -
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Edited by: Ath Amon on 26/07/2006 19:41:43 i think the drone bay will be the same of the tempest, possibly even smaller.
all these ships seem to have quite a poor drone bay also tux stated that tempest with 6 guns is lower dps while tempest with 6g+missiles will outdps it
it have not mentioned drones (as he have done comparing mega and hype dps) so i assume they are pretty the same
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![Ath Amon Ath Amon](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1492563718/portrait?size=64)
Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.07.27 15:38:00 -
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Edited by: Ath Amon on 27/07/2006 15:40:21 mah i hope the stats posted on the forum are wrong or... lol
the mael is a very crappy ship
slow, cumbersome, 460 signature!, and 8/6/6 will not be enought to make a good tank even with its "fantastic" 7.5 to shield recharger
as AC platform i foubt it will work... probably people will armor tank it and use mids for ew
as an arty platform again it will probably not take advantage of its bonus... the tempest can do mostly the same things for a lower cost.
still i see the tempest as better suited for that role with better speed/maneuverability, same damage and 2 nos at the cost of a midslot
the hyperion instead seem to be a veeeery good ship... and 50km is a very gimped targetting range? the phoon have a 60km base and not many problems to reach 200km... i think it will replace the mega as a rail platform while with that stats i don't think will replace the blasterthorn
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![Ath Amon Ath Amon](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1492563718/portrait?size=64)
Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.07.27 15:45:00 -
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lol ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
i saw just now... max targets 3
![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
this ship was designed by amarrians to make minnie lose the war ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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