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Nikolas March Federation of Ancient Mariners Tinker's and Zed's Alliance 0	Posted - 2014.08.28 07:37:00 - [1] - Quote i still miss my Hulk, it should have been the Exhumer with the largest ore bay as thats how the majority of the miners used it, the Mackinaw was always known as the dedicated ice miners ship due to its increased ice yield, that should have been the Yield ship. the hulk has always been the 'big mining ship', i miss the look of being out at a field n seeing all 3 strips on roids This is how it should have been... Hulk = normal yield, increased ore bay, reduced tank Mack = incresead yield, reduced ore bay, normal tank Skiff = reduced yield, increased tank, normal ore bay also i think the skiff is tanked up too much, and this is coming from a miner who has lost mining ships in hulkageddon, its all part of the fun!
Lord Amaterasu Carebears online 35	Posted - 2014.08.28 11:42:00 - [2] - Quote Nikolas March wrote: i still miss my Hulk, it should have been the Exhumer with the largest ore bay as thats how the majority of the miners used it, the Mackinaw was always known as the dedicated ice miners ship due to its increased ice yield, that should have been the Yield ship. the hulk has always been the 'big mining ship', i miss the look of being out at a field n seeing all 3 strips on roids This is how it should have been... Hulk = normal yield, increased ore bay, reduced tank Mack = incresead yield, reduced ore bay, normal tank Skiff = reduced yield, increased tank, normal ore bay also i think the skiff is tanked up too much, and this is coming from a miner who has lost mining ships in hulkageddon, its all part of the fun! I like my hulk just fine with its 29 km mining range. "You make your own hell."
Bronson Hughes The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration 313	Posted - 2014.08.28 13:24:00 - [3] - Quote Nikolas March wrote: i still miss my Hulk, it should have been the Exhumer with the largest ore bay as thats how the majority of the miners used it, the Mackinaw was always known as the dedicated ice miners ship due to its increased ice yield, that should have been the Yield ship. the hulk has always been the 'big mining ship', i miss the look of being out at a field n seeing all 3 strips on roids This is how it should have been... Hulk = normal yield, increased ore bay, reduced tank Mack = incresead yield, reduced ore bay, normal tank Skiff = reduced yield, increased tank, normal ore bay also i think the skiff is tanked up too much, and this is coming from a miner who has lost mining ships in hulkageddon, its all part of the fun! From the standpoint of "Hey, maybe the biggest barge hull should hold the most ore", your proposal makes perfect sense and would maintain the rough balance of "The highest yield barge shall not also be the tankiest nor have the most capacity." However, CCP has decreed that the Covetor/Hulk shall be the kings of yield, not capacity, so, sadly, your proposal will likely never happen. For now, you'll have to be content with the increased range and speed, both of which are nice. Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook. I want to create content, not become content.
Kyoko Onzo State War Academy Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.08.28 13:54:00 - [4] - Quote I don't miss my hulk at all. The Orca that tractors in my cans or my own DST that picks up my 2 cans at a time seem to have a big enough capacity. It still tanks belt rats well enough till my drones eat em up (or my combat toon shows up)
PhatController Kiwis In Space 55	Posted - 2014.08.28 14:39:00 - [5] - Quote Lord Amaterasu wrote: Nikolas March wrote: i still miss my Hulk, it should have been the Exhumer with the largest ore bay as thats how the majority of the miners used it, the Mackinaw was always known as the dedicated ice miners ship due to its increased ice yield, that should have been the Yield ship. the hulk has always been the 'big mining ship', i miss the look of being out at a field n seeing all 3 strips on roids This is how it should have been... Hulk = normal yield, increased ore bay, reduced tank Mack = incresead yield, reduced ore bay, normal tank Skiff = reduced yield, increased tank, normal ore bay also i think the skiff is tanked up too much, and this is coming from a miner who has lost mining ships in hulkageddon, its all part of the fun! I like my hulk just fine with its 29 km mining range. I like my hulk just fine with its 44 km mining range.
Nikolas March Federation of Ancient Mariners Tinker's and Zed's Alliance 0	Posted - 2014.08.28 18:57:00 - [6] - Quote well the thing is thats the way it used to be, before the revamp of the barges and exhumers there was no ore bay, and the hulk was the ship that, with cargo expanders, had the biggest cargo bay :D strip range has nothng to do with being a hulk specifically, u would get that on a mack or skiff too with orca boosts :D
Antillie Sa'Kan Forging Industries Silent Infinity 636	Posted - 2014.08.28 19:27:00 - [7] - Quote Nikolas March wrote: strip range has nothng to do with being a hulk specifically, u would get that on a mack or skiff too with orca boosts :D Mining Barge bonuses (per skill level): 5% bonus to Strip Miner and Ice Harvester range
Nikolas March Federation of Ancient Mariners Tinker's and Zed's Alliance 0	Posted - 2014.08.28 21:05:00 - [8] - Quote i stand corrected, been a while since i saw the hulk info, but that bonus would be on the mack if the mack and hulk were switched round so u would still get the range :D so my original post is incorrect as i was unaware the +strip yield on the hulk was replaced with +range and - duration, basically i want the Hulk renamed n 3D model switched to the mack and vice versa... sadly i know it wont happen lol
Ginger Barbarella 2006	Posted - 2014.08.28 22:41:00 - [9] - Quote ... and?? "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
IIshira School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1152	Posted - 2014.08.28 22:47:00 - [10] - Quote Nikolas March wrote: basically i want the Hulk renamed n 3D model switched to the mack and vice versa I don't think CCP will do this but it never hurts to ask. I find the Procurer is the best choice. The small ore bay is one downside but this isn't an issue with an Orca or MTU. The upside is the tank wards off most gankers.

PhatController Mum Rider Alliance 55	Posted - 2014.08.29 14:24:00 - [11] - Quote Nikolas March wrote: i stand corrected, been a while since i saw the hulk info, but that bonus would be on the mack if the mack and hulk were switched round so u would still get the range :D so my original post is incorrect as i was unaware the +strip yield on the hulk was replaced with +range and - duration, basically i want the Hulk renamed n 3D model switched to the mack and vice versa plus altering the strip miner bonus to reflect 2 or 3 strips... sadly i know it wont happen lol But why switch them? there is just no point other then for your satisfaction? Hulk being the largest with 3 strips as it need the extra size to support and extra laser.
Horus H'kaan Grand Theft Enyo 32	Posted - 2014.08.29 15:34:00 - [12] - Quote Nikolas March wrote: ...and this is coming from a miner who has lost mining ships in hulkageddon, its all part of the fun! This miner. I like him. ANOTHER! I'm in your mission, stealin' your loots.
Nikolas March Federation of Ancient Mariners Tinker's and Zed's Alliance 0	Posted - 2014.08.29 20:57:00 - [13] - Quote IIshira wrote: Nikolas March wrote: basically i want the Hulk renamed n 3D model switched to the mack and vice versa I don't think CCP will do this but it never hurts to ask. I find the Procurer is the best choice. The small ore bay is one downside but this isn't an issue with an Orca or MTU. The upside is the tank wards off most gankers. maybe if i got a few thousand signatures on a petition.... but thats too much effort, i will adapt :D the Barges are a lot stronger now as the rig and low slots can be used for extra tank instead of increasing the size of the cargo bays as was done back in the day :D
Dorian Wylde Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 480	Posted - 2014.08.29 23:05:00 - [14] - Quote All I'm taking away from the OP is that he wants them to change the names of the hulk and mack, which has got to be the dumbest complaint I have ever seen on these forums. And that's saying something.
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 1188	Posted - 2014.08.30 17:21:00 - [15] - Quote They buffed the ** out of mining as a profession and nerfed the ** out of mission running to further buff mining, HTFU and deal with it. If you cant make it work you're not trying at all. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á
Helena Tiberius Mabata New Order Logistics CODE. 4	Posted - 2014.08.30 18:11:00 - [16] - Quote IF you are mining in a delicious Hulk It would be criminal of me to not warn you that so long as you venture into New Order Territory to retrieve your ore you are required to be in possesion of a valid 1 year permit to avoid any accidents. We take care of our own, if your CODE Compliant you have nothing to fear, but if your not then there will come a time where you must suffer bushido by the blaster.
Rabe Raptor The Conference Elite CODE. 108	Posted - 2014.08.30 21:54:00 - [17] - Quote Hulks and Macks don't need buffs; skiffs need nerfs imo. That said, buy a permit for maximum tankability. Together we can make Highsec a better place! www.lawofhighsec.com Read it, share it, learn it, quote it, memorize it,-á live it, breathe it!
Nikolas March Federation of Ancient Mariners Tinker's and Zed's Alliance 0	Posted - 2014.09.12 06:09:00 - [18] - Quote Rabe Raptor wrote: Hulks and Macks don't need buffs; skiffs need nerfs imo. That said, buy a permit for maximum tankability. i agree totally, infact macks could do with a small tank nerf too, then maybe hulkageddon would come back Rabe Raptor wrote: That said, buy a permit for maximum tankability. i disagree with this, not gonna happen, went over the minerbumping.com site last year, and you have no official territory, thats just what you have made up, i will recognise New Order territory when it appears on EVE's official territory map, you know, the areas of space that you need Sovereignty structures for, which of course means you cant claim hi-sec space! and i bet im not the first to argue this point as far as code compliant goes, im at my computer while mining, u sorta have to, all roids pop now but i refuse to pay for a permit to a 'bogus' faction that can not lay official claim in hi-sec but if things change and hi-sec becomes claimable, i would then recognise your Sovereignty if you took the system(s) i mine in
Sister Bertrille School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1	Posted - 2014.09.12 14:06:00 - [19] - Quote Skiff tank is fine but needs another high slot. Hulks and Macks need a tank buff. Mining permits are a scam. Dont buy them.
Antillie Sa'Kan Forging Industries Silent Infinity 655	Posted - 2014.09.12 14:23:00 - [20] - Quote Sister Bertrille wrote: Mining permits are a scam. Dont buy them. Better yet, gank anyone who has purchased one. As punishment for seeking to mine safely in hisec.

Sister Bertrille School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1	Posted - 2014.09.12 14:28:00 - [21] - Quote Antillie Sa'Kan wrote: Sister Bertrille wrote: Mining permits are a scam. Dont buy them. Better yet, gank anyone who has purchased one. As punishment for seeking to mine safely in hisec. Thats ridiculous. Buying permits just funds CODE so they can grief someone else, or the gankee all over again. But then you are pro CODE or a CODE alt so whatever.....
Nico Laitanen Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2014.09.12 15:38:00 - [22] - Quote I would like to see T3 mining ships with subsystems for ore compression, yield, ore hold, stronger warp core, etc... Then, pilots could build their own ships to fit their individual needs.
Nikolas March Federation of Ancient Mariners Tinker's and Zed's Alliance 0	Posted - 2014.09.13 08:23:00 - [23] - Quote Antillie Sa'Kan wrote: Better yet, gank anyone who has purchased one. As punishment for seeking to mine safely in hisec. that would be funny, punishment for giving into an obvious extortion 'gimick' gank miners who support the New Order etc lol bleh too much effort, but if any1 else wants to start a New Order rebellion feel free to take the idea haha u just need about 100bil isk and a few thousand players behind u lol New Order are best off just being ignored, make sure ur in a tanked enuff ship and pay attention to the EVE screen a few times in between roid locking etc, (oops im busy typing lol) ive seen worse scams, corp called CONCARD claimed to be part of CONCORD, idiots lol ...not too fond of their new name though
Nikolas March Federation of Ancient Mariners Tinker's and Zed's Alliance 0	Posted - 2014.09.13 08:24:00 - [24] - Quote Nico Laitanen wrote: I would like to see T3 mining ships with subsystems for ore compression, yield, ore hold, stronger warp core, etc... Then, pilots could build their own ships to fit their individual needs. we share the same dream
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 1202	Posted - 2014.09.13 18:00:00 - [25] - Quote Nikolas March wrote: Nico Laitanen wrote: I would like to see T3 mining ships with subsystems for ore compression, yield, ore hold, stronger warp core, etc... Then, pilots could build their own ships to fit their individual needs. we share the same dream That would be incredible. Especially when people fit them with a paper thin tank. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á
IIshira School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1264	Posted - 2014.09.13 18:31:00 - [26] - Quote Nikolas March wrote: Nico Laitanen wrote: I would like to see T3 mining ships with subsystems for ore compression, yield, ore hold, stronger warp core, etc... Then, pilots could build their own ships to fit their individual needs. we share the same dream Here's the dream [Inwox, Highsec mining] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Survey Scanner II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Medium Cargohold Optimization II Medium Cargohold Optimization II Medium Cargohold Optimization II Inwox Defensive - CODE Restriction System (Summons CONCORD when gankers appear in local) Inwox Electronics - AFK Automations (Automatically mines from new asteroid when old one is depleted) Inwox Propulsion - PVP Nullifier (Creates 1AU disruption bubble that prevents combat ships from entering} Inwox Cargo - Advanced Cargo (Increased Ore and Mineral bay size) Inwox Engineering - Advanced Reprocessing (Reprocesses ore to minerals)
Nico Laitanen Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2014.09.14 00:58:00 - [27] - Quote Hahaha IIshira, I don't know about all that.
Antillie Sa'Kan Forging Industries Silent Infinity 672	Posted - 2014.09.14 02:43:00 - [28] - Quote Sister Bertrille wrote: Thats ridiculous. Buying permits just funds CODE so they can grief someone else, or the gankee all over again. But then you are pro CODE or a CODE alt so whatever..... You sir, have made my night. Good lord my sides hurt now.
Antillie Sa'Kan Forging Industries Silent Infinity 672	Posted - 2014.09.14 03:03:00 - [29] - Quote Nikolas March wrote: that would be funny, punishment for giving into an obvious extortion 'gimick' gank miners who support the New Order etc lol bleh too much effort, but if any1 else wants to start a New Order rebellion feel free to take the idea haha u just need about 100bil isk and a few thousand players behind u lol New Order are best off just being ignored, make sure ur in a tanked enuff ship and pay attention to the EVE screen a few times in between roid locking etc, (oops im busy typing lol) I completely agree that any "rebellion" against CODE would be totally pointless as CODE just has way to much ISK for it to really matter. And the simple fact is that there are way too many hisec systems for CODE to possibly patrol them all. So all you have to do is fit a tank and go somewhere else. However cutting into CODE's permit sales a bit by ganking permit holders (and then telling them that they were ganked as punishment for buying a permit) would reduce CODE's income by some small amount and the tears such gankings would generate would be of the best vintage and quality. For an even greater level of drama gank permit holders and then claim to be a member of CODE and that their permit has been revoked. After all, the very first section of the code states that permits are subject to forfeiture.
Steppa Musana Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 70	Posted - 2014.09.14 15:03:00 - [30] - Quote The Hulk is indeed broken, but not for the reasons you named. You see, the Hulk in an ice belt is a completely useless ship, which is why no one uses a hulk in an ice belt. Fozzie, who I'm sure knows a fair amount about PvP, has clearly never mined a day in his life. If he had, he'd realize the 8,500 m3 ore bay should have been increased to 9,000 m3. He'd also realize mining lasers shouldnt de-active when the bay is full, but should deactivate only when a block/piece of ore has attempted to enter the bay but failed due to lack of room. Of course, we'll be waiting another few years for that to happen. At least they gave us unbumpable Procurers.



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