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Kitty O'Shay
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.07.27 23:07:00 -
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From the new devblog, your C.R.O.T.C.H. could be your savior as a pirate. Why? Because of these things:
- Free form contracts
- Contracts will have templates
- Contracts are droppable into chat
- Contracts are available in space
- Your contract history is public
So you quickly make up a ransom contract using the corp's template. You then drop into your convo with your victim. He can see how well you've kept your word in past. Once he completes, You both have a record of the deal.
The only downside, is that to have your ransom history public, your ransom contracts must be public to start with. Otherwise only your victim can see the history.
But this opens up the door to be able to sell systems passes via contracts, and make protection deals with entire corps at once.
This is how your C.R.O.T.C.H. can save belt piracy for future generations of scurvy dogs.
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Farrellus Cameron
O.R.C. Outrage Compliant
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Posted - 2006.07.27 23:28:00 -
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Great idea, except the blog says that Free Form contracts will not be public but will only be private, so you will not be able to see the person's history on them.
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Kitty O'Shay
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.07.27 23:30:00 -
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Well **** all. 
Nvm.
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Mardonius
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 23:33:00 -
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/me starts d-ribbling.
This new contract system will have a huge positive impact on almost every aspect of EVE. Imagine pirate corps that can boast a 100% record of honouring ransoms. Awesome.
Only drawback I can think of is that it might be another step into turning some CEOs into glorified beaurocrats (or worse...lawyers!), who toil away drafting the latest months corp contrast.
Select your level of involvement.
Contracts FTW! |
Vladimir Norkoff
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Posted - 2006.07.27 23:44:00 -
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Pirates with contracts? "Avast ye lily-livered carebear! Draw yer fountain pen and sign this here contract on pain o' death!".. 
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Izo Azlion
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.07.28 00:05:00 -
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 Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff
Pirates with contracts? "Avast ye lily-livered carebear! Draw yer fountain pen and sign this here contract on pain o' death!"..
If it makes more people stop saying "**** off" and replying with "That sounds fair, I trust you'll keep your word?" then I'm 150% in favour.
Izo Azlion.
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Keta Min
Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2006.07.28 00:10:00 -
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it is a nerf to escrow functionality. and nerfing functionality is never good.
2 big nerfs:
- no global contracs
- need to train skills
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Vladimir Norkoff
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Posted - 2006.07.28 00:24:00 -
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Izo - Try NOT blowing up their ship before asking for the ransom.. Might get a better response that way.. 
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Slash Harnet
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.28 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mardonius
/me starts d-ribbling.
This new contract system will have a huge positive impact on almost every aspect of EVE. Imagine pirate corps that can boast a 100% record of honouring ransoms. Awesome.
Only drawback I can think of is that it might be another step into turning some CEOs into glorified beaurocrats (or worse...lawyers!), who toil away drafting the latest months corp contrast.
Select your level of involvement.
Contracts FTW!
Call me crazy, but corp lawyer almost sounds fun...
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Mardonius
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.28 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: Slash Harnet
Call me crazy, but corp lawyer almost sounds fun...
That's a dark road to go down. A road filled with Lawyers drafting the contracts, Investment Bankers bankrolling your T2 production, Management Consultants contracted out to maximize the infrastructure, Engineers contracted out to construct your POSes, Refuse Technicians contracted out to optimize your waste disposal programme. Before you know it you find out that your contract for 1000 soil redistribution implements is a day overdue.
It fast becomes a corporate ****emare.
Expect to read the EVE equivalent of a Dilbert comic very soon. Be warned.  |
Slash Harnet
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.28 02:37:00 -
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Originally by: Mardonius
Edited by: Mardonius on 28/07/2006 02:26:29
Originally by: Slash Harnet
Call me crazy, but corp lawyer almost sounds fun...
That's a dark road to go down. A road filled with Lawyers drafting the contracts, Investment Bankers bankrolling your T2 production, Management Consultants contracted out to maximize the infrastructure, Engineers contracted out to construct your POSes, Refuse Technicians contracted out to optimize your waste disposal programme. Before you know it you find out that your contract for 1000 soil redistribution implements is a day overdue.
It fast becomes a corporate ****emare. Did you remember the cover sheet on your TPS reports by the way?
Expect to read the EVE equivalent of a Dilbert comic very soon. Be warned.
Apologies for slight topic deviation
EDIT 1: Office space FTW!!!!!!!
I'm missing my red stapler, but after the squirrels finish getting married I'll take care of it.
I seriously think that this system will help corps a great deal. The loan system seems kinda weak, but other than that it's all pretty positive.
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Vladimir Norkoff
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Posted - 2006.07.28 14:45:00 -
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Quote:
That's a dark road to go down. A road filled with Lawyers drafting the contracts... blah blah blah
Yeah, but imagine how much fun it would be popping a corporate lawyer if you could catch them away from station.. Plus all that minutiate does appeal to some people's playing style.. If they want to hang out in station and run a bureaucracy on a computer game, more power to 'em.. Just gives all those pirates out there a structured environment to take apart..
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Drelkarion
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Posted - 2006.07.28 15:08:00 -
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Quote:
Call me crazy, but corp lawyer almost sounds fun...
If that even happens, The Crimson Permanent Assurance will be on their tails. The Crimson Permanent Assurance will destroy any manner of corporate lawyers, and beurocrats.
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Blood Thorn
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Posted - 2006.07.28 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff
Quote:
That's a dark road to go down. A road filled with Lawyers drafting the contracts... blah blah blah
Yeah, but imagine how much fun it would be popping a corporate lawyer if you could catch them away from station.. Plus all that minutiate does appeal to some people's playing style.. If they want to hang out in station and run a bureaucracy on a computer game, more power to 'em.. Just gives all those pirates out there a structured environment to take apart..
The real question, if you blow up a Corporate Lawyer will Concord intervene?
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Tristan Acoma
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.28 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Blood Thorn
Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff
Quote:
That's a dark road to go down. A road filled with Lawyers drafting the contracts... blah blah blah
Yeah, but imagine how much fun it would be popping a corporate lawyer if you could catch them away from station.. Plus all that minutiate does appeal to some people's playing style.. If they want to hang out in station and run a bureaucracy on a computer game, more power to 'em.. Just gives all those pirates out there a structured environment to take apart..
The real question, if you blow up a Corporate Lawyer will Concord intervene?
They'll file a petition back at the corporate office on the Vogon homeworld
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xeom
Obsidian Sins
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Posted - 2006.07.28 16:29:00 -
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This won't change anything.If anything it can be abused more then the current system.
Sence you will have to make a free form contracts to make this work you personaly say when the contract is completed.There for the public history is useless because once you get the money just say its completed and blow him up.
And if its in the targets hand whats to stop him from making you look bad? Sure he payed and you let him go.But he can say contract was not completed and he blew me up.And it makes you look bad on you're public record which you might need for actualy trading.
Overall i don't see it changing much.
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Pinstripe Giamatti
Tea And Sympathy Ltd. Liability
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Posted - 2006.07.28 17:12:00 -
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One concern: Wouldn't this take a lot more time than most pies are willing to allow during a ransoming? I mean, if a victim has to read thru the contract, check your history and then respond, isn't your trigger finger going to be getting pretty itchy by then? Plus, with all the lag still in the market and escrow functions, I can foresee a lot of people getting popped while waiting for the contract to open.
Sounds like a lot of trouble to me. |
Mardonius
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.28 17:29:00 -
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Edited by: Mardonius on 28/07/2006 17:31:30
Originally by: Tristan Acoma
They'll file a petition back at the corporate office on the Vogon homeworld
Douglas Adams = WIN!
I think with freeform ransom contracts the key to their usefullness will be feedback options, and the inherent flaw of relying on human nature. I would like to believe that even if you ransom someone using the freeform contract system, they won't spite your efforts by giving you a bad rep. If anything, they will be grateful that formalized agreements can be made and therefore more likely to be more trusting.
However, if the occassional bad egg throws the toys out of the pram and decides to do everything in his power to pee you off, there's not a lot you could do in return besides ganking him or giving him negative feedback. I would hope that the contract system will be able to function with feedback records and available contract histories on other characters.
One potential failsafe would be only letting a target go once he has paid the ransom and left positive feedback, although this would be an option for those *really* dedicated to the art of ransom (Mella Rinn & Veto etc.).
I honestly can't predict what will happen, but I believe most pirates will continue with business as usual, largely neglecting the contract system for ransoming unless it proves to be a big success.
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Reithan
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.28 19:02:00 -
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Well, an easy way around the freeform = private only, as well as the time-restraints when dealing with ransoms...
Pre-setup up your ransoms. It's already been said you can put contracts into our notepad/etc.
So, start a Public Contract for 1 Tritanium for whatever your standard ransom is. Let's say 15M.
You pull up to someone, get them to the point of ransom and send them the link to the contract, helpfully titled something like "Pay this ransom or be popped".
That way, your ransoms are visible to the public, quickly executed (possibly even quicker than now), and allows your victims to check your history to see if you're going to pop them anyway...
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.28 19:25:00 -
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I like this idea alot. Nice thinking there.
But yeah, dont understand why its not made global.
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Christopher Scott
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.28 20:40:00 -
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I don't see anything stopping a pirate from dishing out bogus contracts to his anonymous friends, so they complete them and beef up his history.
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Reithan
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.28 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Christopher Scott
I don't see anything stopping a pirate from dishing out bogus contracts to his anonymous friends, so they complete them and beef up his history.
Well, at some point, he's got to start actually ransoming people, or it's all in vain...and if he's s jerk then, the negs will start adding up.
So, either he has to continuously 'fake' his standings, or give in to the negatives.
I think, at that point, you're more of a scammer than a pirate, anyway. 
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Duck Andcover
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.07.29 07:06:00 -
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Originally by: Mardonius
Edited by: Mardonius on 28/07/2006 17:31:30
One potential failsafe would be only letting a target go once he has paid the ransom and left positive feedback, although this would be an option for those *really* dedicated to the art of ransom (Mella Rinn & Veto etc.).
However, that would only be a failsafe from the pirate's point of view, and effectively undermining the point of the contract for the victim. Back to square one.
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Mardonius
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.29 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Duck Andcover
Originally by: Mardonius
Edited by: Mardonius on 28/07/2006 17:31:30
One potential failsafe would be only letting a target go once he has paid the ransom and left positive feedback, although this would be an option for those *really* dedicated to the art of ransom (Mella Rinn & Veto etc.).
However, that would only be a failsafe from the pirate's point of view, and effectively undermining the point of the contract for the victim. Back to square one.
:''''( I hadn't thought of that, even though it was bleeding obvious  . /me goes back to drawing board. |
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