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Ishquar Teh'Sainte Faaip De Oiad	Posted - 2006.07.28 18:42:00 - [1] even if you won't believe it - EVE has it's own society. and tbh - what defines "real"? social interactions define our own reality. there's no difference in experience if this interaction happens in a virtual world/the internet or our physical world. you can't say: "social interactions in the physical world are better than social interactions in a virtual space" - you can only say: "social interactions in the physical world are different from those in a virtual space" ... the interactions are different - but the value of the experience is the same. so if you're thinking this is only a game where everyone is only manipulating polygons, you're plain wrong. you're interacting with other social entities (i won't say person in this case as it is imho a too narrow description) ... it doesn't (or at least: shouldn't) matter what your physical appearance is ... only thing that counts in this social space of this virtual world are your actions and your interactions. for example - my name in the physical world doesn't matter in this social space as no one would know me ... my name in this community is Ishquar ... and yeah - it's a bit funny when i meet some friends in RL and we're using our in-game names - but it doesn't matter ... because names are only placeholders. interactions in EVE are as real as in the physical world, though they are different - they're real. that's all i have to say ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Faaip De Oiad	Posted - 2006.07.28 18:53:00 - [2] Originally by: Ayane Vendre Edited by: Ayane Vendre on 28/07/2006 18:45:27 No they arent, they're virtual. Just because they affect you doesnt make it real. If aeris dying made you shed a tear(I BET IT DID AND ALL), did that make her real? If <insert character> dying in <insert soap> made you sad, did it make that character real? gtfo emo. ahem ... were you interacting with this character?? it seems you don't get the concept of interaction ... even if the stuff which surrounds the interaction is virtual (aka bits and bytes) - the interaction which takes place is real. it seems i have to quote Anthony Giddens. Quote: Social interaction is the process by which we act and react in relation to those around us. Anthony Giddens - Sociology. p.80 it doesn't matter if you can only interact through words, pixels etc. or if you're looking in the face of the other ... or would you say a telephone call isn't an interaction?? ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Faaip De Oiad	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:07:00 - [3] Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 28/07/2006 19:13:25 Originally by: Ayane Vendre Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte ahem ... were you interacting with this character?? it seems you don't get the concept of interaction ... even if the stuff which surrounds the interaction is virtual (aka bits and bytes) - the interaction which takes place is real. The interaction isnt with a real person, even if its a person behind the virtual persona. Just like the (one way)interaction with a fictitious character from a book/movie/soap/game. Quote: it seems i have to quote Anthony Giddens. Quote: Social interaction is the process by which we act and react in relation to those around us. Anthony Giddens - Sociology. p.80 it doesn't matter if you can only interact through words, pixels etc. or if you're looking in the face of the other ... or would you say a telephone call isn't an interaction?? "Those around us", not "Those around us in eve-online but not really around us at all, in faction quite the opposite" you don't get it. then please explain me that a telephone call is NO interaction at all. if you can do so i apologize for my "geekness" ... if you can't i'd say: get a clue because there are face-to-face interactions ... you'd say "reallife" interactions through media which mask your physical appeareance to a certain degree. if you phone some one - you can hear his voice and he can hear yours - and you talk to each other. in the internet your physical appeareance is in fact a stream of bits and bytes. it masks your "real" physical appeareance but i won't mask your message. interactions can even happen on an economic level this is in case macrosociology - while the allready mentioned is microsociology. ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Faaip De Oiad	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:16:00 - [4] Originally by: Ayane Vendre Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte you don't get it. then please explain me that a telephone call is NO interaction at all. if you can do so i apologize for my "geekness" ... if you can't i'd say: get a clue It seems you dont get it. You talk on the phone as yourself, not as some internet game persona(and NO-ONE is exactly like their real life selves in a game). The interaction is virtual because the results/repurcussions/reactions are only virtual. who says that the people in the "real" world are acting genuine. my last word on this topic: get a clue ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Faaip De Oiad	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:25:00 - [5] Originally by: FATE LOL I'm sorry, I'm only trained in the DSM-VI TR in real life. ahh .. i see OUR problem psychology and sociology don't fit each other that well ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Faaip De Oiad	Posted - 2006.07.28 20:04:00 - [6] Originally by: Ayane Vendre Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte ahem ... were you interacting with this character?? it seems you don't get the concept of interaction ... even if the stuff which surrounds the interaction is virtual (aka bits and bytes) - the interaction which takes place is real. The interaction isnt with a real person, even if its a person behind the virtual persona. Just like the (one way)interaction with a fictitious character from a book/movie/soap/game. ahem ... take a look at EVE-search.com .. search for "Rockduiveltje" ... and then plz say again that interactions in a virtual environment aren't real because they aren't affecting real people. even if you can only see an avatar made out of bits and bytes - you'd better assume that the other side has feelings that can be hurt. ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Faaip De Oiad	Posted - 2006.07.28 22:20:00 - [7] Originally by: Xgkkp Originally by: Deidranna goon camp with 50 bubbles in XZH today after a few mins... 1.0 and 2.0 I'm not quite sure 'after a few minutes' means 30, and 57 respectively. well a 'few minutes' is a better estimation than your '100 hour gatecamp in XZH' and btw - friday 11:00 can hardly be described as D¦ primetime ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.

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