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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.08 15:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
WoW bashers dont understand why WoW is so successful. WoW is successful because they have a good fanbase, an established lore and a story in a game. Games are crap lately because they emphasise graphics intensively and forget about storyline and gameplay. WoW doesnt have a deep gameplay but they have a gameplay with a good storyline/lore. That is the selling point of WoW.
Storyline and gameplay is something Generation X developers are forgetting because they emphasise heavy 3D gameplay.
I have yet to meet a single WoW player who cares one bit about the backstory.
That is not the reason for the success of WoW. The reason is the dumbing down of things so that even a fool could play it, and then massive advertising.
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Dak Hakin
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.08.08 16:33:00 -
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WOW is haxx0ring
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Tar Ecthelion
Kryomek Industries
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Posted - 2006.08.08 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Lardarz B'stard
Edited by: Lardarz B''stard on 29/07/2006 08:05:06
Originally by: Sodie
What makes WOW so attractive to that many people?
Expensive Advertising
TBH I am glad I stumbled onto the best online game out there as my first and only one.
amen to that
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"When you kill a man it costs nothing to be polite"
Winston Churchill
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c0rn1
Seraphin Technologies
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.08.08 18:42:00 -
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WOW, times must've changed. Last pie I saw about MMORPG was when Ultima Online had 99% of it :D
that was app 10 years ago when I started to play UO.
Damn!
tbh. UO was more fun than WoW ever was (played wow 2 months. UO 4 years til EA came and swallowed Origin)
stealing items at bank, having a red name as reward for being an evil PK :)
miss that *sniff*
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Kage Getsu
Lordless
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Posted - 2006.08.08 18:51:00 -
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I don't like World of Warcraft much because it's mostly a cartoony version of every fantasy MMO ever made, but people look really arrogant if they mention how much it sucks at every chance they get.
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Lobster Man
VentureCorp
CORE.
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Posted - 2006.08.08 19:00:00 -
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Edited by: Lobster Man on 08/08/2006 19:00:41
Eve is amazing simply because pretty much anything goes. I don't know a lot about WoW becuase I've never played it, but I'm pretty sure you can't go up to some random person anywhere you want and just start attacking them. And what other game "overlooks" theft as just something that happens; in few other games players can make a living by stealing and not be banned. And the fact that everything can be destroyed makes things that much more interesting, and as was stated before, really is what gives items their value.
Plus most other games before which have tried to use a high-tech/non-fantasy theme have sucked and/or failed. I think people are starting to get tired of fantasy themed stuff and are looking to the future 
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
The Keep
THE R0CK
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Posted - 2006.08.08 19:16:00 -
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Somebody should tell lucas arts to let CCP do SWG2. SWG was my first MMO, I switched to WoW for a short time, but hated it. ( hated the grind actualy ) I hated the grind in SWG to, but it was manageable.
I have many fond memories of SWG, I just wish it wasn't fubared. I started pub 8, and was attacking 4/4/4/4 Gardians before I hit Novice rifleman. 
PvP was unbalanced btween melee and ranged though, unless you came up with creative builds Matser rifleman, 4/4/4/0 fencer, 1/0/0/0 scout and medic was awesome with my alt
I stayed Master rifleman/ Master commando for a long time though with my main. Pretty bad combo, but I had some sick weapons for both that made it all better.
I was a marksman alpha testor, and things went downhill from there, although I hit upon Master BH, Master CM before just about anyone else did, and damn wasn't that fun.
I think the reason SW keeps losing players and EvE doesn't though is customer service, and enforcement of the EULA. In SWg, if somebody was obviously cheating ( turning of base destructions while dead/ or feigning death, it took over 20- petitions from the whole strike team to get them banned.
Don't even get me started on the Ryack trail....
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Kloro Draz
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Posted - 2006.08.08 19:21:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Karrack I
Frankly, the WoW flaming is ignorant at best, and certainly spiteful. As a WoW veteran, turned Eve enthuasiast, I will first say that Eve's playstyle fits in better with my lifestyle.
That said, WoW is a shallow, boring, junk game from levels 1-59. Getting to 60 is about 10-15% of the game.
I found quite the opposite to be true. If you read all of the quest text for the lower levels (I'm thinking mostly of horde quests, here) you'll see a much richer story with the expanding of Durotar, the scourge's infiltration of the quillboar, and the beginnings of the slithid threat. Actually, the Van Cleef storyline, on the alliance side, is fairly nifty as well.
At 60, you're killing ragnaros, just because he drops loot.
Now granted, when you're in the lower levels, you get a lot of the newbies asking where Manrick's wife is, but that's the normal shake out. The stuff that you're getting from a raiding guild is because of the players, not because of the game itself.
The reason I left WoW for Eve is that, at least with eve, I don't have to schedule with 40 people to do anything. In WoW, that becomes necessary, unless you don't mind getting crappy loot (don't even talk to me about the "pvp" armor sets.)
So far, there's been less grinding in Eve, and I like that, too. I'm not a level X anything, I'm a pilot, and if I want to fly covops I'll train Covops skill, or if I want to fly attack frigates, I'll train attack ship skills.
Oh, and for the hunter hate: I've played warrior, druid, and shaman, and all of those where MUCH easier to play than hunters. Seriously, get over it.
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Montague Zooma
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.08 21:11:00 -
[129]
Neither my manhood nor my intelligence are defined by the games I play.
Whether it's Eve or Wow or Hello Kitty Online, all of these games are a complete waste of time. All that matters is that you enjoy what you're doing.
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Nanobotter Mk2
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Posted - 2006.08.08 23:13:00 -
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"I am curious. If EvE's players are so much more mature than WoW's, then why do we have veteran PvPers smack talking? Why do we have people who are get pleasure out of sadistically destroying someone else's experience? Who do we have people generalizing and stereotyping? A community that is "mature and serious" does not do such things."
Because Eve's players are really not more mature. It is the same segment of weak ego's that plague all online games, as they try to convince everyone else that they are truly better than the next in real life because what they do or say online.
Anyone remotely mature would been bored to tears camping gates to mob travellers yet in eve the vast majority of those campers have convinced themselves they are leet pvper's playing in hardmode 
In the end eve player base is no different than the next online games, if anything they can be worse as they have all convinced themselves EVE is the worlds hardest game, and only truly gaming genious can hack it in EVE again in the prusuit to try to prove to everyone else that they are better....
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Skraelingz
Gallente
Gallente Federal Bank
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Posted - 2006.08.08 23:49:00 -
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Edited by: Skraelingz on 08/08/2006 23:50:08
I came from DAoC after 5 years... that was my first mmo. The game just got stale. Saw some posts about eve and that it had a free trial downloaded it and setup my acc... then didnt play it for a day or two. Still wasnt sure if i wanted to or not. Finally jumped in and started the tutorial... and was absolutly blown away by the game world. The UI incredible i wish daoc had a UI as interactive and fluid as this one has. Being able to right and left click on ANYTHING is really friggin sweet.
Well after a few days i cancelled my daoc bot acc. Kept playing the trial for about another 6 days realized i had not touched daoc in over a week. Cancelled my main account as of last night. Opened a SECOND eve account. Im hooked. This game has so much promise and room to grow.
Daoc is sadly i think on the way out subscrip numbers have been on the decline for a long time now. Usually you would have about 2000 players on Merlin the largest populated server at primetime... now your lucky to get a 1000. It really is sad what has happened to the population on that game.. Mythic well they really suck with customer relations and nerfing peoples classes (ok well gutting is more like it). So far what i have seen of CCP i actually like they seem to actually care about thier game very deeply.
I think im gonna like it here and i also expect that 1% to become a bigger number too. I just found out about this game about two weeks ago if that tells ya anything.
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Leam
Gallente
Celtic industries
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.08 23:55:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2
As far as difficulty goes EVE is no harder than WOW,
lol.
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WeetBix
ANZAC ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2006.08.09 02:18:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Leam
Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2
As far as difficulty goes EVE is no harder than WOW,
lol.
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Khadur
Minmatar
Spontaneous Defenestration
Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2006.08.09 02:28:00 -
[134]
Dark age of camelot has the same pie size LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLL
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Rigsta
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2006.08.09 03:34:00 -
[135]
Edited by: Rigsta on 09/08/2006 03:43:34
Originally by: Oveur
What I really hope for is more diversity.
I do want to see more MMOs on the market that don't involve swords and magic. Those games are fun but bleh, they're all different incarnations of the same game.
EVE remains the only truly Unique MMORPG that I've ever played. To my knowledge at least :)
And CCP is the most player-focused bunch I've ever seen. Bravo!
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MotoTsume
Gallente
Clan Black Scorpion
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Posted - 2006.08.09 04:18:00 -
[136]
Originally by: F'nog
Originally by: Trevcakes
Originally by: Cheice
I had NO idea so many people played Lineage! How weird. Is it bigger outside the US?
NCSoft is huge in Korea and to a lesser extent China, Malaysia, Japan and Singapore. You'd be hard pressed finding a Korean who DOESN'T play Lineage.
Yes, the popularity of those two in Korea probably dwarfs any other game around. I wouldn't be surprised if 9X% of the players in those games come from Korea.
Though it's interesting that none of the sequels have higher subs than the originals. I guess that tells you something about brand loyalty, especially when you look at the improvements/advances since the originals came out.
Actually - Lineage 2's players are mostly From North America and Europe, i played Lineage 2 for over a year before discovering Eve and the only asian players we ever saw where farmer bots from korea and china, allmost all the players that where actually playing where English speaking North Americans or Europeans. 
It's just a game........Or is it?????
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Brastagi
Caldari
g guild
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Posted - 2006.08.09 06:26:00 -
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Edited by: Brastagi on 09/08/2006 06:26:41
Originally by: Rigsta
I do want to see more MMOs on the market that don't involve swords and magic. Those games are fun but bleh, they're all different incarnations of the same game.
QFT
... and there's "Warhammer Online" coming. Would be much better if they develop "Warhammer 40k Online" instead. But it will more like "Planetside" imo.
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2006.08.09 06:44:00 -
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Oveur, I bet my FanFest money on that you played loliance paladyn .
Btw, when did you sneak back Steven? I haven't heard anything from you  .
Back to topic. I don't understand why people don't get that some people like WoW and others EVE. I play WoW (Althou I'm stupid enought to have 2 accounts on EVE that I keep training) and I enjoy myself. In EVE, PvE is so pointless and boring, I simply don't like it. In WoW player interactions and party system is lightyears ahead of EVE. I don't like anyone on EVE and usually end up trashtalking 'em on local and getting petitioned but thats life. I won't help anyone on EVE because everyone is bloody thief or scammer but in WoW, I always buff and help people whenever I can because they are much more nicer.
To play "high-end" content on WoW, you have to grind lvl60 and gear .. and find a good guild.
To play "high-end" content on EVE, you have to find a good corp, good alliance, get instas, get group of people to escort your BS to 0.0 AND hope that you won't run to camps.
Unnerf Amarr!
"Just because you can utterly ruin another player's game doesn't mean that you must."
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Zulak
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Posted - 2006.08.09 10:20:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2
Edited by: Nanobotter Mk2 on 08/08/2006 23:24:38
"I am curious. If EvE's players are so much more mature than WoW's, then why do we have veteran PvPers smack talking? Why do we have people who are get pleasure out of sadistically destroying someone else's experience? Who do we have people generalizing and stereotyping? A community that is "mature and serious" does not do such things."
Because Eve's players are really not more mature. It is the same segment of weak ego's that plague all online games, as they try to convince everyone else that they are truly better than the next in real life because what they do or say online.
Anyone remotely mature would been bored to tears camping gates to mob travellers yet in eve the vast majority of those campers have convinced themselves they are leet pvper's playing in hardmode
In the end eve player base is no different than the next online games, if anything they can be worse as they have all convinced themselves EVE is the worlds hardest game, and only truly gaming genious can hack it in EVE again in the prusuit to try to prove to everyone else that they are better....
As far as difficulty goes EVE is no harder than WOW, sit in empire and grind long enough you get anything you want, when it comes to pvp try making a character on a buisy WOW pvp server and roaming around solo, you get rolled constantly no differnt than trying to roam around 0.0 in eve. EvE just has a steeper learning curve for using the game's GUI, Ie noone needs a tutorial to use the market explorer in WOW, but in EVe you do. Once you leanr it though it is no more complicated to use than the next.
The man speaks the truth. Almost every MMO community thinks they are the smartest bunch which is just the indication of the opposite. Just look around mmorpgs.com and you will hear many familiar voices.
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Aodha Khan
Minmatar
Blood Inquisition
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Posted - 2006.08.09 10:45:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
WoW bashers dont understand why WoW is so successful. WoW is successful because they have a good fanbase, an established lore and a story in a game. Games are crap lately because they emphasise graphics intensively and forget about storyline and gameplay. WoW doesnt have a deep gameplay but they have a gameplay with a good storyline/lore. That is the selling point of WoW.
The gameplay in WoW is shockingly poor. Grinding skills to lv60 then grinding for items to PvP with then meaningless PvP. How is this good gameplay?!
So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
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Sorela
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.09 11:18:00 -
[141]
If WoW is dumbed down what do you call EVE? The skill required to actually play this game is a lot less in compairison.
Unless you are talking about learning all the little in's and outs of stats and numbers aka "learning curve". WoW's learning curve is certainly dumbed down but it would be pretty elitist and snobby to somehow claim that's a bad thing in general.
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Sorela
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.09 11:26:00 -
[142]
Originally by: MotoTsume
Actually - Lineage 2's players are mostly From North America and Europe, i played Lineage 2 for over a year before discovering Eve and the only asian players we ever saw where farmer bots from korea and china, allmost all the players that where actually playing where English speaking North Americans or Europeans.
Incorrect. Very few NA or Europe people play Lineage 2 (less than EVE even). In fact since botting is so prevalent in L2 compared to even games like EVE you'd find the numbers are even lower. L2 was a complete failure in these regions and continues to be unable to pull in new players. L2's economy heavily encourages buying money on ebay though so NCSoft has managed to make a good chunk of cash by catering to the botters (both farmers and just people who use them for normal play).
Those numbers you see on the chart are due to the Korean/Chinese/etc servers. Since you played on NA/Europe you couldnt connect to those servers.
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Izo Azlion
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.08.09 12:03:00 -
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If we had 50% of the MMO subscriber population... could we really run EVE on one server?
Izo Azlion.
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Veto.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
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Posted - 2006.08.09 12:19:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Aodha Khan
The gameplay in WoW is shockingly poor. Grinding skills to lv60 then grinding for items to PvP with then meaningless PvP. How is this good gameplay?!
And grinding isk in EVE is so different? And if you think PvP is only "meaningful" if you have huge death penalities think again.
Besides, you do not have to "grind" in WoW sub-60. When a played WoW I did from lvl 1-60 *only* quests (unique, nonrepeatable quests to be exact, not "Angel Extravaganza" 1000 times.
From a PvE and general ingame lore standpoint WoW is indeed lightyears ahead compared to EVE.
At 60 you get massive grind content though. Which admitably sucks.
From a PvP "skill" viewpoint WoW is not better or worse than EVE. If you now want to answer "you do not need skills to succeed in BGs" allow me to tell you that you are right. But also that the same is the case for EVE blobs, gatecamps or BS snipers. Small gang vs small gang warfare can have an huge skill component, though, but the same is the case when you get an "good group vs good group" match in WoW. Those matches can last hours because players of each side are thne playing on the top of their abilities.
One thing where WOW has IMO the upper hand are group mechanics and the char specialisation. For example, you have to use wholly different tactics in PvP as rogue and warrior. In EvE playing Amarr or Minnie is relativly the same from the general tactics.
Having a freeform, non classbased game is a two-edged sword - you have more freedom as in classbased games, but also a more homogonized gameplay and tactics.
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Herring
Pimpology
Pimpology in Mining Player
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Posted - 2006.08.09 12:26:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Mecinia Lua
Originally by: Tripp Orsam
The Pie
I'm guessing that with 'EVE China' and all the advertising that has been going on for EVE in general lately this 1% will rise quite a bit in the coming months.
original article
The pie chart is skewered.
SOE uses the station pass to skewer its numbers and make it look like it is doing better than it is. They count a station pass as a subscription to all games you can play on it, thus they count it as a EQ, an EQ II, an MxO and a SWG subscription. Which is hardly an accurate count or representation.
Also keep in mind that the pie chart is based on numbers that are provided by the corporations through leaks, and at least on SOEs part those numbers are inflated. There are more people on EVE at peak hours on 1 server than are on all of SWG servers at the same time.
^What she said
If you think $OE still has 14% with SWG I've got some veldspar to sell you in RA prime. Go pick it up.
Seriously SWG has turned to crap, EVE kicks its ass without a doubt. There are so few people playing that game...it shouldn't even be left on a chart like that. Which leads me to believe that the source data for the chart is in fact BS; not suprising if any of it came from SOE.
14% my a$$ Those people excell at lying.
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Posted - 2006.08.09 13:01:00 -
[146]
i don't agree with the % they claim wow holds.
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Rastigan
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Posted - 2006.08.09 13:06:00 -
[147]
As a previous poster said, WoW is the Britney spears of MMORPGs.
Most people wonder why someone like that sells so many records when some other
unknown artist is 20 times better.
WoW PvP = playing checkers 50 times a day to get some reputation points
WoW PvE = Granted level 1-59 WoW is the best out there, its fun and interesting, ironically enough once you hit 60 you would be better off playing any other MMORPG.
WoW endgame = spending 4-7 hours twice a week to do the same raid instance you have done 56 times.
Please dont talk about skill and WoW, with most of the required 3rd party UI mods, healing and buffing/debuffing is practically automated.
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Boonaki
Caldari
Suffoco Noctis
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2006.08.09 13:06:00 -
[148]
Wonder how Star Trek Online will do.
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Zhelavar
Gallente
CONsordium Infinate
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Posted - 2006.08.09 13:16:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Kloro Draz
If you read all of the quest text for the lower levels (I'm thinking mostly of horde quests, here) you'll see a much richer story with the expanding of Durotar, the scourge's infiltration of the quillboar, and the beginnings of the slithid threat. Actually, the Van Cleef storyline, on the alliance side, is fairly nifty as well.
No storyline in ANY level-based grindfest will EVER surpass that of a virtual world or "sandbox" MMOG. I know those are strong words, but it is to-date 100% true.
Shadowbane: http://TheMess.com/timeline
Ultima Online: http://uo.stratics.com/shard/Sonoma/sn_archives_menu.shtml
EVE: http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/-pha-/Latest.jpg
Puzzle Pirate: http://yppedia.puzzlepirates.com/Category:History
When a new player asks about an area or corp in EVE, they are told a tale hat was written by past and present players. More importantly, that past is what defines the present state of the game, and even *more* important, it is an opportunity for that new player to step up and become part of history or change it in the future.
In DAoC, WOW, EQ... the world is static. The world you entered on Day One of release is the same world that it is today. Nothing that you as aplayer can ever or will ever change that. Nothing you do is unique or special. No matter how many times people tell Mankrik that his wife was used, abused, and killed by the boars, he still asks the next person to go find out what happened to his wife. Her corpse is still there...it always will be.
Tarren Mill will always belong to the Horde and it will always be down the block from the Aliiance town.
You will NEVER be able to change the predetermined history of the server and NOTHING you ever do will make a difference in the game. When you leave, NO ONE will know you're gone or that you were ever there.
EVE allows players to make their mark on the game world. Their politics and conflicts, their alliances and treaties... everything they do writes the history of the game.
On your final day in EVE, you will be able to write a unique tale about your character. What you controlled, the territories taken, the markets controlled, and what niche you filled in the game world to make your mark.
In WOW, EQ, or other raid/grind games, your tale does not differ from the tale of the six million people around you. The world you leave is exactly the same as the world you entered. It is a static environment that cannot be affected at all no matter what you try to do.
I'm not saying WOW is bad or that their approach is wrong. It appeals to millions. However, when it comes to backstory and history, nothing can compare to games like EVE. |
Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.09 13:40:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Sorela
If WoW is dumbed down what do you call EVE? The skill required to actually play this game is a lot less in compairison.
Are you crazy?
The learning curve for EVE is massive, and the skills required to be an effective businessman or tactician are immense.
WoW, on the other hand, is so simplistic that nearly everything in the game can be summed down to a list of steps that a child could follow.
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