Okay kind of what I expected. A few generic answers with a troll thrown in for flavor.

So far no proof that CODE would gank me with a permit. The thread is still new so there is time for more replies so I'm going to wait before spending the 10 mil. I'm not worried about the 10 mil but rather should I dock if CODE is in system or would I be safe to mine?


If anyone has killmails or even screenshots of CODE convo where they ganked someone with a permit please link them. I'm sure other miners must ask this same question too.

I haven't mined since 2006. I still keep my permits up to date. Never had a problem with a CODE.

Hahaha....Wait what!?

I have just decided to roll up a gank alt in support of CODE.

I credit this thread with tipping the scales.

Strictly as an aspect of Eve I've yet to focus on.

Okay kind of what I expected. A few generic answers with a troll thrown in for flavor.

So far no proof that CODE would gank me with a permit. The thread is still new so there is time for more replies so I'm going to wait before spending the 10 mil. I'm not worried about the 10 mil but rather should I dock if CODE is in system or would I be safe to mine?


If anyone has killmails or even screenshots of CODE convo where they ganked someone with a permit please link them. I'm sure other miners must ask this same question too.

I have just decided to roll up a gank alt in support of CODE.

I credit this thread with tipping the scales.

Okay kind of what I expected. A few generic answers with a troll thrown in for flavor.

So far no proof that CODE would gank me with a permit. The thread is still new so there is time for more replies so I'm going to wait before spending the 10 mil. I'm not worried about the 10 mil but rather should I dock if CODE is in system or would I be safe to mine?


If anyone has killmails or even screenshots of CODE convo where they ganked someone with a permit please link them. I'm sure other miners must ask this same question too.

This is my New Order Agent alt and I have a question.. How can I identify people with a fake permit? It seems rather simple for anyone to simply add a line with the permit and another supporting James 315, even if they haven't bought a permit.

Hello Solette. A proper mining permit has the name of the Agent who sold it linked. You can simply ask that Agent or write a mail to him to verify the validity of the mining permit. I admit this may take some time. If the subject with the permit in question does not violate the Code in any other way I will always give them the benefit of the doubt and let them mine until I get the response from the Agent.

This is my New Order Agent alt and I have a question.. How can I identify people with a fake permit? It seems rather simple for anyone to simply add a line with the permit and another supporting James 315, even if they haven't bought a permit.

This is my New Order Agent alt and I have a question.. How can I identify people with a fake permit? It seems rather simple for anyone to simply add a line with the permit and another supporting James 315, even if they haven't bought a permit.

I've found the best way to verify a permit is to attempt to gank. Valid permit holders, who are following The Code, cannot be ganked.

Should the gank succeed, then the permit was obviously invalid, seeing as how valid permit holders following The Code cannot be ganked.

I've found the best way to verify a permit is to attempt to gank. Valid permit holders, who are following The Code, cannot be ganked.

Should the gank succeed, then the permit was obviously invalid, seeing as how valid permit holders following The Code cannot be ganked.

I've found the best way to verify a permit is to attempt to gank. Valid permit holders, who are following The Code, cannot be ganked.

Should the gank succeed, then the permit was obviously invalid, seeing as how valid permit holders following The Code cannot be ganked.

So either way if a miner has a permit or not you'll try to gank them... Why get one then?

Speaking for myself: when choosing between two or more targets of about equal worth, I'd turn my attention to the non-permit holders first.

Others might not feel the same way though, in fact, they might consider having a permit while clearly NOT being Code compliant mockery of the Code and strike vengeance down upon you for such heresy.

No they do not.
The honor no commitment ever.

They also had commitet to come to the AT. They didn't honor that either.
So if they don't honor commitments with CCP, why should they honor their "permits"?

Confirming that CCP should have dispatched men with guns to our homes to make sure were were playing a video game at the exact time you expected us to be playing a video game.

I just gave you Like #1000! \o/

PEOPLE LOVE YOU !!!! :D

Confirming that CCP should have dispatched men with guns to our homes to make sure were were playing a video game at the exact time you expected us to be playing a video game.

But you're right, yes, it's a video game. So you can do whatever you want, whenever you want, meaning that permits mean precisely nothing, since if you want to ignore them you can. The code and whether or not is fairly adhered to is irrelevant, because it's nothing but a scam made up to get newbies to pay for their gankers ships. The idea that it's an actual held belief and a strict set of standards is ludicrous, since as you pointed out, it's a video game.

Waiting for a single kill mail of a permit holder who was following the CODE to the letter at the time of his death.

It's literally never happened. Not once.

Also, nice space lawyer style. EVE is supposed to be fair, high-sec is supposed to be safe, grrrrrrrrrr :P

I don't think it should be fair or safe, but that's completely beside the point of whether or not a bunch of gankers will abide by rules laid out for a made up cult. You'll say whatever you can to convince the noobs of your scam and that permits are a requirement, because they pay for your ships. If the miners simply didn't pay for permits you'd see a lot lot less code gankers. Then if they tanked their ships instead, the gankers there are would have nobody left to gank.

I don't think it should be fair or safe, but that's completely beside the point of whether or not a bunch of gankers will abide by rules laid out for a made up cult. You'll say whatever you can to convince the noobs of your scam and that permits are a requirement, because they pay for your ships. If the miners simply didn't pay for permits you'd see a lot lot less code gankers. Then if they tanked their ships instead, the gankers there are would have nobody left to gank.

Permits are just a way for the citizens of high security space to declare who they stand with - the whiny, ISK-obsessed/risk-adverse carebears like yourself, or the side that supports generating content, creating risk and combating the bots and the bot-aspirants, you know, the good guys.

And further, as an added bonus, the permit provides you the benefit of the doubt from the major threat to your mining/hauling operation in New Order territory. For only 10M ISK a year, it seems like a no brainer to invest in a permit to protect your precious space assets.

In true carebear form you only seem to view the world through the lens of ISK. How many permits have been sold? Something in the hundreds I would guess. Now if you take a look at http://www.minerbumping.com/p/shareholders.html you will see over 400 billion ISK has been sent the to New Order in the form of share purchases. Clearly the few billion earned from permit sales is dwarfed by the ISK sent in from all over by the good people of New Eden to support our righteous work.

If permit sales stopped tomorrow there wouldn't be a dent in the number of New Order gankers or the number of ganks in highsec. Permits are just a way for the citizens of high security space to declare who they stand with - the whiny, ISK-obsessed/risk-adverse carebears like yourself, or the side that supports generating content, creating risk and combating the bots and the bot-aspirants, you know, the good guys.

And further, as an added bonus, the permit provides you the benefit of the doubt from the major threat to your mining/hauling operation in New Order territory. For only 10M ISK a year, it seems like a no brainer to invest in a permit to protect your precious space assets.

So well said, literally hitting like as hard as I can and throwing money at the screen.

This is where the rabid carebear logic breaks down - everything is always about ISK and money and PLEX and ..... the concept of "fun per hour" is just lost somewhere.

Thanks for the great post.

Once you hit the "cult" part you really got lost. What do you think is more likely, we are a group of players who enjoy parody, irony, "tounge-in-cheek" comedy, or are forming a massive religious cult centered about internet spaceships?

The reality is, and this is the part you are going to have a hard time accepting - we give permit holders every single benefit of the doubt. They get a polite convo or a poke in local to make sure they are at the keyboard. We assume they are following the CODE, and the only time we will fire on them is if clear evidence is presented that shows they are not. Think: false permit / away from keyboard / smack talking in local.

I've found the best way to verify a permit is to attempt to gank. Valid permit holders, who are following The Code, cannot be ganked.

Should the gank succeed, then the permit was obviously invalid, seeing as how valid permit holders following The Code cannot be ganked.

We want them to tank their ships. That's the point :P We take the scrubby angry miner who is forever doomed to a lifetime of misery and oblivion that results in them just canceling their account due to getting bored with playing EVE like it is a interactive mining simulation, and we carefully mold them into the type of player worthy of the game - one that, in the words of CCP, understands how to protect their assets. If you can't keep it safe, you don't deserve to have it in the first place. Embrace that HTFU.

I hope this helped clear some things up for you. Please, if you take anything from this conversation - consider how little we charge for a mining permit. It's not quite even the cost of a single Tech 2 Catalyst, which we literally burn thousands of a day. Do you really think they are an actual source of funding for us? Or, have you considered the permit as more of a "litmus test" to check players sense of entitlement? There's nothing quite as funny as watching a player in a untanked hulk literally undock and lose ten of them in a single day while raging in local about how he would rather suffer billions and billions in losses then "pay for a extortion racket" and how "high-sec is free for everyone!" and "honor" and "bushido" or other random New Order bingo squares.

Stop thinking "cult" - start thinking "players having fun creating emergent gameplay" - once you get there, you will start to understand who we are.

And lol, you don;t kill bots, not even remotely. You kill untanked random nubs. Arguably the people you kill have the LEAST bot aspirant behaviour, since anyone mining with bots or isboxer will be mining in tanked ships with a dedicated hauler since it's far more efficient. Killing a guy sitting around in a single retriever solo, that's not stopping bots. What that's saying is "if you aren't a bot and you aren't multiboxing skiffs and procurers while half-afk, we'll gank you". Congratulations. You support botters.

And lol, you don;t kill bots, not even remotely. You kill untanked random nubs. Arguably the people you kill have the LEAST bot aspirant behaviour, since anyone mining with bots or isboxer will be mining in tanked ships with a dedicated hauler since it's far more efficient. Killing a guy sitting around in a single retriever solo, that's not stopping bots. What that's saying is "if you aren't a bot and you aren't multiboxing skiffs and procurers while half-afk, we'll gank you". Congratulations. You support botters.

New order aren't a threat to anything, the permit doesn't change that. As I pointed out before it's been made clear that if you CAN be ganked, then your permit is void. Therefore, a permit is not required, since for it to be valid you must be tanked enough to not get ganked anyway. I'd rather not pay you a single isk and still not be in any way threatened by you.

Funnily enough, a couple of month back I afk isboxer mined right next to you (you specifically that is, not just code in general) a few times while you were ganking, completely permit free. It's a great way to grab those pesky lowends while playing PS4.

I am afraid your logic is flawed. You tanked your miners because people like us enforce the risk vs. reward balance that this game us built upon. You assessed the risk, and rightly put yourself in tanked ships to give your mining op the best chance of success. That potential cost for risky behaviour is what we provide. Without us, everyone would fit for max yield/cargo and those aspects of the game would be even less interesting than they are now.

Your actions prove we are a threat, or at least a perceived threat by you, or why did you bother tanking your multiboxing fleet?

And although this is getting off-topic from the OP - OP, yes we do honour permits - I would say that if you were mining next to me a few months ago you may have even witnessed first-hand part of my epic battle against the botters, somehting that you claim we don't do. You can read about it on your own time here: http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/07/eves-last-best-hope.html

I've found the best way to verify a permit is to attempt to gank. Valid permit holders, who are following The Code, cannot be ganked.

Should the gank succeed, then the permit was obviously invalid, seeing as how valid permit holders following The Code cannot be ganked.

This new solo Retriever is mere days away from becoming an isboxer afk miner. If he is code compliant he will not be ganked and will not become an isboxer bot. The younger the bot aspirant is the more chance he has to be saved and become a pro fun per hour Eve player.

I am afraid your logic is flawed. You tanked your miners because people like us enforce the risk vs. reward balance that this game us built upon. You assessed the risk, and rightly put yourself in tanked ships to give your mining op the best chance of success. That potential cost for risky behaviour is what we provide. Without us, everyone would fit for max yield/cargo and those aspects of the game would be even less interesting than they are now.

Your actions prove we are a threat, or at least a perceived threat by you, or why did you bother tanking your multiboxing fleet?

And although this is getting off-topic from the OP - OP, yes we do honour permits - I would say that if you were mining next to me a few months ago you may have even witnessed first-hand part of my epic battle against the botters, somehting that you claim we don't do. You can read about it on your own time here: http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/07/eves-last-best-hope.html

It's literally never happened. Not once.

The permit itself isn't honored at all. If the pilot can be ganked, the fact that they paid for a permit is irrelevant, thus buying one is a waste.

Confirming that CCP should have dispatched men with guns to our homes to make sure were were playing a video game at the exact time you expected us to be playing a video game.

And Rivers flow Uphill.
The Surface of the Sun is cold.
The Code always wins.

What do the 4 have in common?

Nothing is true!
They are all lies!


"Permit" in a nutshell.



Bad luck with that argument.:
You are bigmouthing about what "ElitePvP" you play, but when push comes to shove, you run faster than Speedy Gonzales and the Roadrunner. There where no guns needed! Just some "common sense". You where on the stage and you showed what you can do best! HINT: Fighting it is not!



In fact you agreed to *my* argument.
CODE. does not honor ANY commitments.
They would only do so, if forced by others under threat of violence.
Thanks for the Agreement Mr.

You sound upset. Would you like to discuss your current loss situation so that we might be able to resolve this. I'd also suggest purchasing a permit as well. DJ can confirm that we do in fact honor permits, a few days ago a recently permit holder greeted us in local, and advised him of our activities. Later, it appeared he was AFK, so being the nice crew we are, we sent a convo. He accepted and was stated that he was doing some industrial things. He said he was sorry, docked up like he needed to, and then we all had cake.

You sound upset.

No thats only a wet dream of yours.
Clap your heals 3 times, maybe it comes true!
But you would have come to lowsec first.


But since you are hipocritic carebears and only wannabe toughguys it will never happen.

btw:
everone knows:
the cake is a lie!

listen to that! and the science get done!
"i am not even angry"

Yep definitely upset.

No thats only a wet dream of yours.

Where DO you get your logic from? Seriously, how do you associate things together to come to that conclusion?

1 + 5 = Truck

Wtf??

You are, and I'm quoting myself here, a "made up cult". You RP a cult with the same principles and methods as you would expect to see from a cult. You extend slightly beyond that though as Pedro has demonstrated by starting to talking about the war on bots. Bots do not exist in game, they are an out of game thing, not an RP thing, so there's clear evidence that at least some of your membership are claiming to have an out of game agenda.

No, you take the nubby miner in his single ship and you blow him up. So he buys a tanked ship and earns slightly less. Then he sees that he can afk quite a bit in this one, so he gets a few more on the go. Then he thinks "hey, if I just buy isboxer for $5 a month, I can run a whole fleet of these!". Shazzam, you're in part responsible for the rise of multiboxed afk miner farms.

I think I'll continue to think "guys who don't understand how eve works" and pay you precisely zip. Ganking people who are trying to actively mine in nooblike ways is in fact causing the exact thing you claim to be against. If you wanted to actually make a change, you'd start working in bigger groups and target the haulers and orcas of multibox and bot miners rather than going after soft targets that 9 times out of 10 are just clueless noobs trying to make their first battleship for "free".

If you are following The CODE you are mining wrong.

The mining mechanics are boring as can be. I have to question why anyone would be willing to sit at their keyboard for that. The only excuse I can think of is forum posting or doing some kind of work on the computer. Even playing another game will keep you distracted long enough so you aren't properly using d-scan.

By following the CODE you are pretty much painting a sign on your forehead that says, "idiot".

Either mine AFK with a tanked ship, mine AFK with a cheap easily replaceable ship, or mine ATK in more hostile space where the rewards are increased and thus match your vigilance.

As for the "cult" thing - if you don't get it, if you can't have fun with player created content, there's really nothing anyone here can do or say to help you. You can complain about it loudly on the fourms, however. The simple reality is: we bring more life and fun to the fine and time-honored art of high-sec suicide ganking then most. We're not doing anything new - and our tactics and techniques were founded in the techniques of those who came before us. The only real difference is that our targets are going to get a lot more then "LOL YOU GOT REKT LEARN TO FIT NOOB" from us - they are going to get guidence, advice, help - assuming they want it and pass the basic litmus test of being polite.

In the first half of this year, I have put down about 1100 mining ships, and I have spoken with a fairly large amount of these players. Of them, I can confirm that one or two wers so angry they claimed to have "quit the game" - but there's no way to even prove that, even if they biomass - there's no way of knowing if they actually unsubbed. But let's face it - if you quit eve over losing a ship then it probably was not the game for you in the first place. Also, I don't know a single one who responded by running a ISbox fleet lol :P

You can think what you want, of course. You are wrong, but I respect your right to hold whatever belief you want. As for paying me, that's fine - those who wish to fly with a New Order permit can, those who don't want do are not forced to. Agents of the New Order are not personally offended when we find a non-permit holding miner - you simply are at a much higher risk of being bumped or fired on.

As for your idea about making a change and working in bigger groups and targeting the Orcas of multibox fleets... wow :) You have done no homework on this subject at all and are just throwing third hand information out there. Personally, I am responsible for FCing the death of over 60 Orca's, which takes at least eight of us (usually more like 12) working together. Most of these Orca's were either totally AFK sitting at a station somewhere providing boosts, or totally AFK in some belt providing boost and being used as a space garbage bin. We have agents who do nothing *BUT* shoot haulers.

I urge you to further educate yourself on this topic before you reply. Here's a handy link for you, the next time you are even considering the use of any of these memes:

"The CODE only kills miners!"
"The CODE only kills things that can't fight back!"
"The CODE never goes to Low/Null/WH space!"

http://code.220mm.org/?a=alliance_detail&all_ext_id=99002775

You miss the point, like most.

By mining in a ship you can replace easily - you are following the CODE.

By mining with a tanked ship - you are following the CODE.

By moving to more hostile space - you are following the CODE.

The reality is, in any of these situations, if you insist on doing it while AFK - you are at a much greater risk of taking losses, this is regardless of the New Order's personal love of purging the AFK bot-aspirant, if not us - someone will come take you down sooner or later.

The fact is - almost every good miner out there is already following the CODE, to the letter. Now, if they lack a permit and get caught slipping up - they might take a loss that a simple permit would have saved them from, but the skilled miners never put themselves into that situation in the first place.

So by mining AFK in a 20 man isboxer fleet, is the code being followed simply because the ships are tanked? You might want to reread the code.

OK, let's see a list of the 1100 people alongside exactly what they did and what they are doing now following being ganked by you.

LOL. I have zero risk of code ever doing anything to even remotely affect me.

60 whole orcas? You are my hero, honest.

If you wanted to actually make a change, you'd start working in bigger groups and target the haulers and orcas of multibox and bot miners

Regardless of the rights and wrongs of Code, they may want to send one or two of their "associates" off to do some retraining...

https://zkillboard.com/character/92655600/page/1/

lol!

We are a very open to all sort of alliance - and the corp you are looking at there, "New Order Logistics" has some rather fine players in it. It also has some who still have a lot to learn. They serve as a sort of "feeder corp" for other groups to pull from. Pretty common stuff :)

And come on, what fun is an alliance without a few special snowflakes :)

Don't quote the CODE to me, you will fail every single time.

A 20 man isboxer fleet falls under the category of "Excessive Mining" - and is also a super fan target!

Look my zkill and talk to them, if you like. Stop being obtuse. My point was that the type of player who actually screams, rages, throws a fit and quits the game over taking a PVP loss in pretty rare in my book, and I have only actually seen it happen a few times. You're being difficult on purpose, and it makes any type of rational conversation with you quite difficult. You also seem to keep making this claim that we somehow target players based on age, or somehow go after "new" players - and you could not be more wrong if you tried. However, you'd need to actually look at a few hundred killmails and stop being, well, obtuse :P

You are relying on third hand information that has no basis in reality, and when someone like me takes the time, in a very polite way, to attempt to show you that you might be wrong, you become very difficult to have a conversation with and super defensive. Again, this makes any form of actual conversation pretty much pointless. You have already made up your mind, and it seems to be (I'm going to paraphrase here)

GRRR CODE
THEY SHOOT NEW PLAYERS AND MAKE THEM QUIT EVE
DON'T GET A PERMIT THEY WILL SHOOT YOU ANYWAY

Am I close?

Umm, yeah. Then why would you need a permit? You changed subjects mid conversation, which again makes having any type of rational conversation with you very tricky. You do remember that is what you were replying to there, right?[/quit]Exactly, why would I need a permit? Even when I get my mining fleet out in highsec and AFK mine to hell while playing GTA, you are still irrelevant. So people do not require permits to mine safely.

[quote=DJentropy Ovaert]And once more, you are being obtuse and it's very annoying. Do you remember when you said how amazing it would be if the New Order went after bigger targets, like multiboxing Orca fleets, and took down some of those space whales?

Here, let me help you.

It was quite obvious you had no idea we did that on a pretty regular basis, and I (very politely, I might add!) informed you of evidence that might help show you that your idea has already been implemented. There's no need to get all snarky and rude about it. I'm sorry if the 60 I have managed is not amazing enough for you, but be fair to me - Lucas has never killed one. Hardly makes you seem very rational when you give me a hard time for only managing 60 :-)

Either mine AFK with a tanked ship, mine AFK with a cheap easily replaceable ship, or mine ATK in more hostile space where the rewards are increased and thus match your vigilance.

By mining in a ship you can replace easily - you are following the CODE.

By mining with a tanked ship - you are following the CODE.

By moving to more hostile space - you are following the CODE.

lol, that's not how it works. You don't gank them and they suddenly go "ooh, I am sav4ed! I will immediately start playing with due care and attention!". They go "well that didn't work for me, what works for others? Plexing 50 accounts though isboxer? OK let's go!". The best you can hope for from the majority is that they do exactly the same thing again but in a procurer.

You missed the word "chance" in my post. Try again.

Please, enlighten us.

For "Enlightenment" please ask the "Saviour of Highsec", thats not my business.

btw:

who is this "us" you write of?

You and your "oppinion / Relevance booster corps"?

again "this"

No thanks. And I'm not being obtuse. At no point did I say the players scream and rage over it at all. All I stated is that the mining that doesn't work is solo mining in crappy ships, tanked ships have a lower yield, and a mass of AFK tanked ships is victorious. So some people looking for a way to mine and make their free battleships will see that the best solution is to sit multiple tanked ships AFK for long periods of time. Those who decide to instead follow the code will mine less and less efficiently. Therefore the result of you enforcing the code is that there are more AFK miners, more bots, more multiboxers and less competition from code compliant miners. If you wanted to stop botters you would target botters.

So OP, please pay little attention to the self-absorbed and overwrought ramblings of the likes of Lucas Kell and La Rynx, and make up your own mine whether a permit is worth it.

You kinda are being obtuse. Look, what both of us share in common is our desire to use our understanding of game mechanics to impose our will on New Eden. In your case, you multibox tanked mining fleets to gather resources for your own purposes. We use our understanding of mechanics to explode untanked, AFK and outright botting miners for our entertainment. Your way to play just feeds your obsession to watch your wallet balance grow ever bigger, while ours makes the game more engaging, provides the necessary risk to make the game work as designed, and most importantly, results in an enjoyable, or at least memorable, experience for all involved.

You may disagree with our methods and goals, but thankfully, that doesn't matter because sandbox. The Code has value - it drives conflict, engagement with the game and its mechanics, and is the very essence of emergent game play. The permit also has value - it is a public display that you recognize this and in addition buys some goodwill from your fellow players (who also happen to be the most likely to gank you). So sure OP, the permit is not a legally enforceable document that guarantees you 100% safety, but if you have one and respect the rest of the Code, you will have a much safer, and more fun, experience mining in highsec. If you decide to not to get a permit, but still respect the Code you will have more thrilling time mining in highsec, constantly looking over your shoulder for a possible incoming New Order gank. And finally, if you decide not to respect the Code you will end up exploded eventually with or without a permit. We are good with all these options, hence why the Code always wins.

So OP, please pay little attention to the self-absorbed and overwrought ramblings of the likes of Lucas Kell and La Rynx, and make up your own mine whether a permit is worth it.

So OP, please pay little attention to the self-absorbed and overwrought ramblings of the likes of Lucas Kell and La Rynx,

Regardless of the rights and wrongs of Code, they may want to send one or two of their "associates" off to do some retraining...

https://zkillboard.com/character/92655600/page/1/

Ah, I see I have been called upon to defend my honor

Elinarien, if you perforn a detailed forensic analysis of the killboard details, you'll see most of those losses are Velators. I tend to enforce the Code solo most of the time, meaning I need to 'pull' Concord in my patrol systems everytime I log in. I will leave it up to you, using your understanding of eve mechanics, to figure out why my killboard shows so many free rookie ships ships are blown up by Concord.

As for last night, well lets just say aliens kidnapped me & made me do silly things. . Stuff happens, but the fun thing about this game is we can always learn how to be better & have 'stuff' happen less often.

I hope that helps clarify. Fly safe. o/

Regardless of the rights and wrongs of Code, they may want to send one or two of their "associates" off to do some retraining...

https://zkillboard.com/character/92655600/page/1/

For example it's completely unclear what constitutes "bot aspirant behavior".

10m isk for a permit that just says "I tank my ship"? No thanks. I tank everything anyway, so I don't need to waste the 10 mil. As for responding in chat? Maby if I'm not talking in a private convo.... Honestly though most of the time I ignore agents just to see if they will gank me. They never do.

The 10 mill permit is required to mine anywhere in High Sec. Without it in your bio the Agents in the area have no obligation to attempt to convo you or provide you warning in local of their presence. If you are tanking your ship, then they may focus their attention on other miners in the area. That being said, myself and the other agents I like to fly with typically hit the most heavily tanked targets we, just because. We are certainly not alone in this regard.

I hope this clears up your obvious confusion on the nature of the permit.

I know I do. Considering all my and my fleets ships are paid for by shareholders, I make a effort of taking down the most brick tanker miner my current DPS allows. Anything else would be a injustice to the shareholder, after all - they paid for it!

Still a waste of 10mill. Haven't been hassled yet why pay when I'm getting it for free? As per expectation, CODE doesn't show up.

We can't be everywhere at once, granted. But our numbers are growing, and our reach is vast.

We can't be everywhere at once, granted. But our numbers are growing, and our reach is vast.

And yet you still won't be targeting procurers. Victory for the miners.

And yet you still won't be targeting procurers. Victory for the miners.

Interesting.

Ms. Claudia Osyn here.



Reminds me....


Hail Claudia!

So that's why they won't attack me. They have procurer-phobia....



Irrational fears aside, CODE's impotent posturing is quite amusing.

o/

Code's killboard. Check it out sometime. It is far from impotent.

Haven't seen your portrait in a while.
I like this one more than the others.

Your face is nice to look at, from up close!

You could down every pilot in the game 10 times consecutively and I still wouldn't be impressed by your "noble" cause. That's all you have and it's impotent, ineffective and pointless. Lots of groups can claim a pretty killboard, but how many of your kills could fight back? Why do CODE ships dock up when there's combat vessels in system? Because CODE can't fight.

And yet you still won't be targeting procurers. Victory for the miners.

how many of your kills could fight back

Ah this again. Code can't fight. This misconception is very common and forgivable. Saying that dedicated gank alts don't fight targets prepared to fight back is no different than complaining that freighter pilots have poor killboards and can't fight. Code can, and does fight targets with combat capabilities, however is it not our focus.
Your hatred of Code is amusing, but your argument is lacking substance.

Actually a shift towards tankier mining vessels brings miners closer to code compliance, making it another in the unbroken line of CODE victories.

Putting aside for a moment whether or not CODE agents can or cannot engage in honorable ebushido spacewarfare, this objections makes me wonder if you understand exactly what activity it is that CODE agents regulate.

I'll still have to tank my ship to protect myself from you ( no fitting mining upgrades, those slots are needed for extra tank ) and other gankers ( that permit doesn't protect me from them, and neither do you )

if I'm in the middle of a private convoy or happen to miss your comment in local? Ganked.

If you think I'm mining to much? Ganked.

If you don't like the colour of my ship? Ganked.

That permit is dependent wholly upon how much I trust you to keep your word and I don't trust you to do that at all. Gank all you want, I don't care. I find it more amusing then anything that you think you're the new "law of highsec".

And yet you still won't be targeting procurers. Victory for the miners.

And yet you still won't be targeting procurers. Victory for the miners.

You could down every pilot in the game 10 times consecutively and I still wouldn't be impressed by your "noble" cause. That's all you have and it's impotent, ineffective and pointless. Lots of groups can claim a pretty killboard, but how many of your kills could fight back? Why do CODE ships dock up when there's combat vessels in system? Because CODE can't fight.

Also, if CODE could fight, why bail out of the Alliance Tournament? Did they ban your cats?

You're to kind, Sol.

We can't forget the AT... LOL

CCP banning mining barges and exhumers from parts of EVE - even if only the AT - is an important step towards achieving our long term goals.

Lucas, i'm trying to be nice but bro - you really really need to start using zkill before you make more assumptions.

I target procs all the time, killed plenty of them too. In fact, lately - they are one of my primary targets.

I think you have just shown us the proper level of respect.

gf

So I can see! In the past month, you've killed 2 whole procurers, you beast you.

And an Orca.
And a Mack or two.
And a Hulk.

That's what we killed when I was flying with him.
No idea wtf you are talking about.

Which I wasn't looking at. Try reading the thread. He claimed to be primarily targeting procurers, yet out of the 50 or so T12 barges in the last month, 2 were procurers, with the vast vast majority being retrievers.

So if you have no idea, it's your issue. Educate yourself.

So I can see! In the past month, you've killed 2 whole procurers, you beast you.

I have a serious problem.

I woke up like 15min ago.


I have no coffee.


I read your name as NotTheSmartest ... and the male equivalent of a chicken.


Someone please help me.

That permit is dependent wholly upon how much I trust you to keep your word and I don't trust you to do that at all.

Also, if CODE could fight, why bail out of the Alliance Tournament? Did they ban your cats?

Which I wasn't looking at. Try reading the thread. He claimed to be primarily targeting procurers, yet out of the 50 or so T12 barges in the last month, 2 were procurers, with the vast vast majority being retrievers.

So if you have no idea, it's your issue. Educate yourself.

I always keep my word. I also almost never lie. Almost.

As for the AT, I do believe that the opposing team did in fact ban both catalysts and talos'. Beyond that, most of us in Code who wanted to participate, were either not actually in the Code. alliance, or had not been in it long enough to qualify. I was unable to participate for that reason. I suspect many others were in the same situation. Beyond that, I'm not sure why Code. didn't show up. I wasn't online at all that weekend and didn't hear anything until after the fact.
Would we have won the alliance tournament? I doubt it. Would we have fought hard and made our opponents work for a victory? You bet.

So if no procurers or skiffs are around he should just dock up instead of killing the retrievers clogging the belts? I think not. Those may be primary targets, but if targets of opportunity come along, they will not be ignored.

Am I reading this correctly? Are you claiming that skiffs or procs are primary targets?
That.
Is.
Humor.

So if no procurers or skiffs are around he should just dock up instead of killing the retrievers clogging the belts? I think not. Those may be primary targets, but if targets of opportunity come along, they will not be ignored.

ya know, there are mining barge fits that even the CODE haven't been able to kill

maybe it's time to think about Game Mechanics?

The point still stands. If people fly a proc they have basically nothing to worry about from code. If you are tanked up there will always be some excuse for not killing you. Permits are irrelevant since they are only valid if you wouldn't be a target anyway.

You have to wonder if code are really just a group set up by mass mining botters to cull the competition from actively playing miners, since they target people who actively mine and avoid targeting people who mine in large groups. Amusingly the peons at the bottom of the chain would never know that's what they supported.

Nah. If that were true there would be a no kill list with the names of their alts. Remember that THE code isn't the same thing as CODE. alliance.

4. Personal attacks are prohibited.

Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not conductive to the community spirit that CCP promotes. As such, this kind of behavior will not be tolerated.

And then the common griefer /exploiter/sand castle kicker will cry when CCP makes the changes.

Well at least the mindset did change that you actually have to tank your ship and that Highsec isn't safe for your anti-tanked Hulk. We are clearly making progress, the miners who actually adopt start to use Procurers and Skiffs. They are a common sight now in Highsec ice fields.

And while it is true that we can't gank all the ships all the time everywhere yet, we get more and more people every day. It's only a matter of time until anti-Skiff fleets are a common thing and we will probably meet once again on the forums where the common carebear cries for CCP's help.

Nah. If that were true there would be a no kill list with the names of their alts. Remember that THE code isn't the same thing as CODE. alliance.

And you have to ask yourself, what's the benefit? You are still ganking people who don't know to used tanked ships and people who are relying on flying solo and generally leaving alone mass miners and bots. You are performing a task which is directly opposed to what your stated goals are.

griefers and exploiters usually get banned, because it is against the EULA. So they can't cry on the forums.I don't see how that is related to the topic.

If griefers got banned, your leader would have been banned well over a year ago.

Let's not split hairs, The New Order is primarily about griefing people for the purpose of creating amusing stories for a certain blogger to blog about. I know many CODE. members who are not like this, but that is the purpose of The New Order as it stands in 2014.

I don't personally have a problem with a small grief or troll; a "gf" in local or a little chat asking about permits is perfectly fine. Using gameplay mechanics to annoy others is also perfectly fine in my books. Unfortunately when this get turned into egging the player on through questionable social conduct for the purpose of publicly humiliating the player on a popular blog page, it becomes unhealthy for the state of the game.

At least some of your members and past supporters are starting to see the light, leave and pull support. Seems the message is getting across. The question is: How long until you see it?

Let's not split hairs, The New Order is primarily about griefing people for the purpose of creating amusing stories for a certain blogger to blog about. I know many CODE. members who are not like this, but that is the purpose of The New Order as it stands in 2014.

I don't personally have a problem with a small grief or troll; a "gf" in local or a little chat asking about permits is perfectly fine. Using gameplay mechanics to annoy others is also perfectly fine in my books. Unfortunately when this get turned into egging the player on through questionable social conduct for the purpose of publicly humiliating the player on a popular blog page, it becomes unhealthy for the state of the game.

At least some of your members and past supporters are starting to see the light, leave and pull support. Seems the message is getting across. The question is: How long until you see it?

Oh please....you're trying to put lipstick on a pig (the pig meaning minerbumping.com)
Why dont you spin it some more.
Almost everything thats written in that blog is there to humiliate your victims and to humiliate new players and players that dont have the same play style as you.