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Cohkka
LoneWolf Mining
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.08.01 16:36:00 -
[61]
 Originally by: inSpirAcy
I hope the Myrmiddon is getting a drone bay bonus because 100 is way too small for a medium drone boat. 
Yes, please. +10m¦ per skill level would be great.
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inSpirAcy
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.01 16:42:00 -
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I was more concerned about not being able to squeeze in a set of Warriors to fend off kiting interceptors.
It's the same reason I don't use medium drones on the Brutix, even though it has room for five. Without Warriors it's a bit of a sitting duck to anything outside nos range. 
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2006.08.01 17:43:00 -
[63]
Originally by: inSpirAcy
I was more concerned about not being able to squeeze in a set of Warriors to fend off kiting interceptors.
It's the same reason I don't use medium drones on the Brutix, even though it has room for five. Without Warriors it's a bit of a sitting duck to anything outside nos range.
valkyrie II's, say no more
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inSpirAcy
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.01 17:54:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Deathbarrage
Originally by: inSpirAcy
I was more concerned about not being able to squeeze in a set of Warriors to fend off kiting interceptors.
It's the same reason I don't use medium drones on the Brutix, even though it has room for five. Without Warriors it's a bit of a sitting duck to anything outside nos range.
valkyrie II's, say no more
Their orbital velocity is too low, isn't it?
In that the interceptor slows down to force drones into orbit and then MWDs away, leaving the drones at their orbit speed (hurray CCP). I've never run into problems with Warriors, though, because they seem to keep up even after they've gone into orbit.
Maybe I'm basing this on outdated experiences?
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Phoenix Jones
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Posted - 2006.08.01 18:07:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Phoenix Jones on 01/08/2006 18:09:56
Gallente Myrmiddon, 400, 1100, 8, 5, 5, 1, 6, 100, 145
This needs a bigger dronebay. For a droneboat the bay space is pathetic. This SERIOUSLY needs a bigger dronebay (it should be at least 175) (should have the ability to store heavies, but not replacement of heavies. You could store 5 heavies and 5 mediums but you bone yourself for not storing smalls or utility ones. This ship desparately needs a bigger bay). I'd even go as far as saying Drop a High Spot for a bigger bay.
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Slimy
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:19:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Slimy on 02/08/2006 15:19:49
The drone bay is fine. You can store 2 waves of mediums, or a wave of mediums, smalls, and replacements (or utility drones).
A BC is still a medium ship, and expecting to load it up with a full rack of heavies, with space left over, is akin to expecting to load up one of the other tier 2 BCs with large guns. If you want large drones in a medium class ship, you should have to make concessions.
I would have expected people to be overjoyed with the fact you can fit so many large drones in a medium class ship without having to jump through any hoops. This whining about the bay being too small is absurd.
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Avery Cane
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Posted - 2006.08.02 19:00:00 -
[67]
Once again a boring amarr ship. should be a drone boat. flame on!!
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.02 19:07:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 02/08/2006 19:09:48
Originally by: Avery Cane
Once again a boring amarr ship. should be a drone boat. flame on!!
Train gallente. Takes a week to get a dominix with ecm and nos (if you already have good drone skills). No need for gun skills. Have fun.
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Nicocat
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.02 19:40:00 -
[69]
I have Drones V and Drone interfacing II (soon to be III, woot). Why is that? Solely to **** off gallente players. I refuse to train easy mode.
Also, Hurricane is perfeclty fine, and 7 medium autos is pure, unadulterated happyscreamgasm. Shame about the armor tank, but hey, most Minny ships do that. *goes to finish training armor compensation skills*
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.02 19:45:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Nicocat
I have Drones V and Drone interfacing II (soon to be III, woot). Why is that? Solely to **** off gallente players. I refuse to train easy mode.
Also, Hurricane is perfeclty fine, and 7 medium autos is pure, unadulterated happyscreamgasm. Shame about the armor tank, but hey, most Minny ships do that. *goes to finish training armor compensation skills*
Personally i love the armor tank. However, I think the ship will have trouble with the gallente drone carrier. We'll see. At least this ship I will be happy to try and play around with. :)
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Nicocat
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.02 19:49:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Nicocat
I have Drones V and Drone interfacing II (soon to be III, woot). Why is that? Solely to **** off gallente players. I refuse to train easy mode.
Also, Hurricane is perfeclty fine, and 7 medium autos is pure, unadulterated happyscreamgasm. Shame about the armor tank, but hey, most Minny ships do that. *goes to finish training armor compensation skills*
Personally i love the armor tank. However, I think the ship will have trouble with the gallente drone carrier. We'll see. At least this ship I will be happy to try and play around with. :)
Personally, my experiences fighting Gallente ships always end up with me being dead. Damn those T2 drones. Caldari ships can target and hit drones easily enough to fight back a little, if you ignore the blasters bearing down on you at the same time ;) I'd expect the Boobie to be able to beat the Myrmidon much more easily than the Hurricane could, but we'll see, indeed.
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inSpirAcy
Caldari
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.08.02 20:03:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Slimy
I would have expected people to be overjoyed with the fact you can fit so many large drones in a medium class ship without having to jump through any hoops. This whining about the bay being too small is absurd.
You realise a Brutix can fit a full set of medium drones and a rack of (damage-bonused) 5 Electron II / 2 Ion II together with a solid tank?
If the Myr's only going to have twice the drone bay size - only two sets of medium drones, 1.5 medium + 1 small, or just 4 heavy drones (that's a waste so 3 heavy + 2 mediums) - then it's an utter waste of time.
It's already bordering on pointless, given that a Dominix costs under 60M and does the job much better. At least give it a chance at being a cheaper alternative.
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Valea Silpha
Cereal Killerz
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.08.02 20:24:00 -
[73]
*sighs*
Just becuase drones are the Myrms main weapon doesn't mean it should be able to pump out dominix/ishtar level nastiness. Restricting drone space means you have to make a choice before you leave station as to what you need your drones to do. Its a novelty idea i know, but its worth consideration because frankly with the nos/ecm/drone combo as it is, it would be really quite nice to see the devs design a thinking mans drone ship.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.02 20:28:00 -
[74]
Will be interesting to see how the nos/ecm nerf turns out for game balance.
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inSpirAcy
Caldari
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.08.02 20:35:00 -
[75]
Edited by: inSpirAcy on 02/08/2006 20:36:15
Originally by: Valea Silpha
Just becuase drones are the Myrms main weapon doesn't mean it should be able to pump out dominix/ishtar level nastiness.
I never claimed it could and you'll notice that I wasn't the one who mentioned heavy drones. If I had my way it wouldn't get bonuses to anything but small/medium, and the Dominix wouldn't get bonuses to anything but large. It's not going to happen, but...
The point I'm trying to make is that two sets of medium drones aren't enough. Drones can be and are destroyed and if you can completely debeak it after two waves easily then it's a waste of time. I won't fly it and I'll laugh at those who do, because they'll be toast to my (cheaper!) Brutix. 
Clouding the issue with overpowered nos/ECM doesn't make a 100m3 drone bay justifiable.
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Jerick Ludhowe
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
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Posted - 2006.08.02 20:56:00 -
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If the Myrmadon gets a drone bonuss I'd rather see it get 10% bonuss to logistic and Ewar drones per level instead of the normal 10%dmg/hp. We already have the Domi, why not implement something a little more unique?
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kessah
Caldari
Regeneration
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.08.02 22:01:00 -
[77]
Whooooooooooo! looks like the matari one's going down the stabber\vaga route freaking good to see, shame about the maelstrom, hurricane nearly makes up for the shameful maelstrom.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.02 22:03:00 -
[78]
Originally by: kessah
Whooooooooooo! looks like the matari one's going down the stabber\vaga route freaking good to see, shame about the maelstrom, hurricane nearly makes up for the shameful maelstrom.
Yeah, this is the only new ship im looking forward to myself. I think it will rock. :)
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Slimy
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Posted - 2006.08.02 22:27:00 -
[79]
Originally by: inSpirAcy
You realise a Brutix can fit a full set of medium drones and a rack of (damage-bonused) 5 Electron II / 2 Ion II together with a solid tank?
Yes. I'm guessing that's exactly why there's an assumption that this ship is going to have a bonus to drone damage, since it will need something to differentiate it from the Brutix.
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If the Myr's only going to have twice the drone bay size - only two sets of medium drones, 1.5 medium + 1 small, or just 4 heavy drones (that's a waste so 3 heavy + 2 mediums) - then it's an utter waste of time.
Not if it gets a bonus to drone damage. I'd certainly use it over a Brutix. 100m3 is 2xheavy, 5xmedium. Perfect for ratting in 0.0.
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It's already bordering on pointless, given that a Dominix costs under 60M and does the job much better. At least give it a chance at being a cheaper alternative.
I'd rather the extra drone damage than a bigger drone bay. And there's absolutely no way it would get both.
As for the Brutix' hybrid damage bonus, I'm going to go out on a limb here, and assume that's the standard Gallente BC bonus, just like it is for cruisers.
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inSpirAcy
Caldari
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.08.02 22:38:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Slimy
Not if it gets a bonus to drone damage. I'd certainly use it over a Brutix. 100m3 is 2xheavy, 5xmedium. Perfect for ratting in 0.0.
I guess this is where our ways part. I have no interest in creating new ships for PvE. I do PvE, as a chore, but only to generate cash for ebilling.
Drones don't get killed in ratting (if the pilot has an ounce of sense) but they can be killed readily in PvP, even launched from ships with HP bonuses to them. That's why a small drone bay troubles me.
I'm not asking for 200 or 300 here. 150 would make a world of difference on this ship; which makes a perfect 10m3 per level bonus. Tier 2 BCs are meant to gank, so it will need some bonus in place of the Brutix's repper boost.
I fully expect it to retain the hybrid damage bonus as well.
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Yesugei Khan
Amarr
Mordu's Elite
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Posted - 2006.08.03 01:56:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Minmatar Hurricane, 8/4/6 1400 PG
Amarr Betrayal, 8/3/7 1550 PG
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This is joke rite? Actualy this a "LOL". So "HURRICANE" will pawn us, Betrayal, bah poor betrayal even it cant fit launchers, so even useless in PVE. Again, im asking why AMARR getting crap everytime?
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Heiken Wimast
Amarr
GALAXIAN
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Posted - 2006.08.03 02:14:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Yesugei Khan
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Minmatar Hurricane, 8/4/6 1400 PG
Amarr Betrayal, 8/3/7 1550 PG
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This is joke rite? Actualy this a "LOL". So "HURRICANE" will pawn us, Betrayal, bah poor betrayal even it cant fit launchers, so even useless in PVE. Again, im asking why AMARR getting crap everytime?
This is our fate Yesugei mate. Look new and poor "ABADDON", its also kinda joke, Abaddon stats means same thing as 50 m3 drone bay "DOMINIX".
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Kitty O'Shay
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.08.03 02:41:00 -
[83]
At least the PG is going to keep the Drake in line. Any more and the new assault missiles x7 w/ tank would be a bit much.
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Phoenix Jones
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Posted - 2006.08.21 17:39:00 -
[84]
Edited by: Phoenix Jones on 21/08/2006 17:40:45
You know now that I think about it.. yea 100 Dronespace is pretty good for the Gallente BC. A full rack of Heavies would be a bit overpowering. A full set of mediums with the ability to have replacements/utility drones would be pretty awesome. The T2 version would have the expanded dronebay I suspect (similar to how Ishtar works). Though I think the T1 version would be respectable to have a +5 to dronebay per bc level attached to it.
I do wonder why in the world all these ships have 8 High Slots. I'd Vary them a bit (drop a high (possibly two on one of the ships) for a medium/low)
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.21 17:40:00 -
[85]
Stats are very old and not to be trusted... this thread should actually be locked or something now. :)
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Phoenix Jones
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Posted - 2006.08.21 19:18:00 -
[86]
Aye lock this and start a thread on any info on updated stats :-).
Would be nice, I need my BattleCruiser Fix.
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Vestah
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Posted - 2006.08.23 13:28:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Ithildin
Which is good. There's just about only one bonus that can be guessed, and that's the obvious +10% drone dmg+hp the Myrmiddon is going to get.
I hope so.
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FireAnt
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Posted - 2006.08.23 13:32:00 -
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doesnt look much different from tier 1, BORING!!!! i would have loved to see a different type of ship, 3 to 4 large guns, weak defense, harder to hit, and faster. or ccp can keep using a cookie cutter to make ships.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.23 13:39:00 -
[89]
Umm, since i dont want this thread to get bumped, im going to request a lock.
New threads will pop up when we have valid stats to whine about. :)
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Swamp Ziro
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.09.12 11:49:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Umm, since i dont want this thread to get bumped, im going to request a lock.
New threads will pop up when we have valid stats to whine about. :)
You can't refuse to talk about a whole subject just because you don't know recent stats about it :D A man's entitled to talk about his lovely minnie BC XD
Just keep your fingers crossed it doesn't get double AC bonuses. Sure, it'd look good, but think about SPEED bonus XD mwd,speed,agil, any of those bonuses would be absolutely kickass for it.
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