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DaisieD	Posted - 2006.07.30 12:02:00 - [1] Edited by: DaisieD on 30/07/2006 12:02:32 Originally by: kieron We allowed the trade of ISK for Game Time as an extension of the policy allowing the trade of ISK for game related services like TS server rental, forum signatures, etc. When we discussed allowing the trade of ISK for Game Time, the thought that we were inadvertently allowing the 'sale of ISK for RL cash' didn't occur to us. The decision to allow the trade was not profit driven. When Sony came out with their microcharge servers (sale of game items for RL cash), the internal CCP discussion lasted about 2 minutes. The discussion about Second Life's business model lasted longer, but the results of the discussions were the same. We do not have, nor do we want to have, the ability to clone Tranquility and start up a microcharge server. We've discussed changing the police on allowing the trade of ISK for Game Time a number of times. For the time being, the policy is going to stay as it is. Just like the macro miner/ISK farmer issue, we don't have the manpower or resources to police a policy disallowing trades of this nature. We will re-open discussion on this issue again. In a nutshell, we tried to be nice and do something for the benefit of the players. Some players turned this around to where it backfired on us. So what you are saying is the main reason you continue to allow people to sell GTC for isk is because you dont have the manpower to enforce it, just like macromining/isk farming, but isk farming and macromining are indeed disallowed, yet you claim you cant enforce it. Basically, you claim you cant enforce all three of them, isk farming/macro mining are disallowed and GTC for isk is allowed, and yet you claim its not profit driven?
DaisieD	Posted - 2006.07.30 12:04:00 - [2] Now i await the iraqi misinformation minster (forum mod) to lock this thread. There are no problems with timecode for isk, there are no tanks in bahgdad!
HappyKitten Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 12:04:00 - [3] I hope you get banned and then your socks get eaten by a hamster.
DaisieD	Posted - 2006.07.30 12:06:00 - [4] Originally by: HappyKitten I hope you get banned and then your socks get eaten by a hamster. Banned for what?
HappyKitten Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 12:07:00 - [5] Reposting locked threads. Over and over again.
Deja Thoris Contraband Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.30 12:08:00 - [6] I'd rather the cash goes into CCP's pocket than an ebayers. You have to be pragmatic rather that totally idealistic.
DaisieD	Posted - 2006.07.30 12:08:00 - [7] Edited by: DaisieD on 30/07/2006 12:09:13 Originally by: HappyKitten Reposting locked threads. Over and over again. How is it possible to not post a locked thread when every single post about timecodes for isk is locked immediately for some reason or not (unless your selling timecodes, then ccp doesn't mind, they get $$$) Want to discuss the pluses and minuses of timecodes for isk? No no no, thats bad, we dont want people to see anything wrong with the system so lets bar all discussion on the subject.
HappyKitten Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 12:10:00 - [8] Originally by: DaisieD Originally by: HappyKitten Reposting locked threads. Over and over again. How is it possible to not post a locked thread when every single post about timecodes for isk is locked immediately for some reason or not (unless your selling timecodes, then ccp doesn't mind, they get $$$) Right, there's this button. It says "New Topic". Try NOT pressing it. I hear that has very good reviews at the moment. Less popular, but still effective is to press the button, and then talk about something other than timecodes. ECM, tier3 battleships, goon vs BoB, macrominers and the size of the poster's internet ***** are all common topics.
DaisieD	Posted - 2006.07.30 12:12:00 - [9] Originally by: Deja Thoris I'd rather the cash goes into CCP's pocket than an ebayers. You have to be pragmatic rather that totally idealistic. the whole reason that ebaying is a bannable action is because so many players are against it, for the reason that most players are fully against people being able to use out of game money to buy there way through the game, with good reason. i'd bet a large sum that ccp have made the problem ten times worse, theres probably more people buying isk now than ever before.
Leilani Solaris Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.30 12:17:00 - [10] how many threads do you need to start on this? stop whining.
DaisieD	Posted - 2006.07.30 12:18:00 - [11] Edited by: DaisieD on 30/07/2006 12:17:59 Originally by: Leilani Solaris how many threads do you need to start on this? stop whining. only one if they didnt all get locked because discussing gametime cards for isk is bad mmkay?
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2006.07.30 12:19:00 - [12] There've been plenty of discussions on the merit of isk for gtc in the past. There's no need for more, nothing you are saying hasn't been said before. Nor do I rate the chances of any otherwise new argument cropping up very high. Which leaves me to say that you are wrong. If you want to know why, use eve-search. Old blog
Portrait Swap Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.30 12:21:00 - [13] Originally by: DaisieD Edited by: DaisieD on 30/07/2006 12:17:59 Originally by: Leilani Solaris how many threads do you need to start on this? stop whining. only one if they didnt all get locked because discussing gametime cards for isk is bad mmkay? Listen you tard (dont care if i get a warning) You've posted multiple threads now about a closed issue.. THERE HAS BEEN LOADS OF THREADS IN THE PAST. All with the same end result.. A lock... So please stfu! -------------- Richness: --------------
DaisieD	Posted - 2006.07.30 12:21:00 - [14] I think im about ready to give up on this subject anyway, its clear that ccp dont even care, they want the extra subs now, they allow it because they can make some extra quick cash, ccp have sold out at the cost of the game itself and most people dont even realise this, eventually it will have a big enough impact for people to notice and by then its going to be to late, im very sad to see a game i love go down the drain like this, it was totally unexpected. i just wish i knew about this before i started playing.
HappyKitten Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 12:23:00 - [15] Can I have your stuff?
DaisieD	Posted - 2006.07.30 12:23:00 - [16] Originally by: Portrait Swap Originally by: DaisieD Edited by: DaisieD on 30/07/2006 12:17:59 Originally by: Leilani Solaris how many threads do you need to start on this? stop whining. only one if they didnt all get locked because discussing gametime cards for isk is bad mmkay? Listen you tard (dont care if i get a warning) You've posted multiple threads now about a closed issue.. THERE HAS BEEN LOADS OF THREADS IN THE PAST. All with the same end result.. A lock... So please stfu! you seem pretty ****ed of about all of this, if ccp stopped gametime cards for isk would it put a damper in your plans?
HappyKitten Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 12:24:00 - [17] Also, for my context in this: I'd rather CCP didn't allow players to buy ISK for cash, but at the moment, I play eve for free (paying with ISK 4tw), and that makes me happy. Wouldn't be too ****ed off if I had to pay with real cash, but I would only run one account.
Portrait Swap Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.30 12:24:00 - [18] Edited by: Portrait Swap on 30/07/2006 12:24:36 Originally by: DaisieD you seem pretty ****ed of about all of this, if ccp stopped gametime cards for isk would it put a damper in your plans? Yes because i had to buy a GTC this weekend to keep my account alive as the site is borked. -------------- Richness: --------------
Portrait Swap Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.30 12:24:00 - [19] Secondly ATM it doesn't bloody matter you can't pay with a credit card atm.. So if people want to keep their accounts they need to buy GTC's... So yeh stfu :) There has been a bug in the system last 2 days on the billing site/char transfer sections. -------------- Richness: --------------
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 12:26:00 - [20] Lately these forums have been overrun by alts trolling around. Cant you find something else to do... like.... go outside and get a life or something? You just bore me to death with your rabble tbh. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Portrait Swap Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.30 12:27:00 - [21] I would but i've paid for my new char and i can't recieve it because the owner can't currently transfer it to me as his CC Is being rejected by eve :) (+so are god knows how many others) -------------- Richness: --------------
HappyKitten Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 12:27:00 - [22] Alts 4tw, in certain very special circumstances
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 12:29:00 - [23] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 30/07/2006 12:29:07 Originally by: HappyKitten Alts 4tw, in certain very special circumstances I didnt mean you. And i think I get what you are saying here. Your alts name reminds me of someone. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Sovy Kurosei Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.30 12:31:00 - [24] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 30/07/2006 12:29:07 Originally by: HappyKitten Alts 4tw, in certain very special circumstances I didnt mean you. And i think I get what you are saying here. Your alts name reminds me of someone. A happy kitten by any chance? ___________________
Deja Thoris Contraband Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.30 12:32:00 - [25] Originally by: DaisieD Edited by: DaisieD on 30/07/2006 12:17:02 Originally by: Deja Thoris I'd rather the cash goes into CCP's pocket than an ebayers. You have to be pragmatic rather that totally idealistic. the whole reason that ebaying is a bannable action is because so many players are against it, I'm sorry but you are wrong. You may have the "moral" highground, it doesn't take what you say correct. Ebaying was banned in the EULA so people other than CCP don't make cash off EVE. Whats that?...Profit motive!
HappyKitten Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 12:34:00 - [26] Originally by: Sovy Kurosei Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 30/07/2006 12:29:07 Originally by: HappyKitten Alts 4tw, in certain very special circumstances I didnt mean you. And i think I get what you are saying here. Your alts name reminds me of someone. A happy kitten by any chance? Yeah, thats the one This is not the name you are looking for...

Jacques Archambault	Posted - 2006.07.30 12:37:00 - [27] Thread locked. Please do not repost regarding locked topics. The issue of GTCs has been discussed extensively in the past. -Jacques forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website! Want to be an EVE-Online forum moderator? click here!

Galk Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.30 12:45:00 - [28] "I'm sorry but you are wrong. You may have the "moral" highground, it doesn't take what you say correct. Ebaying was banned in the EULA so people other than CCP don't make cash off EVE." But deja, you know what people are doing, there buying up timecodes for isk and reselling for cash. CCP are abreast of this ofc, hence the sticky up top. It's not said as in many words, but it translates to 'buy from us, not the other guy abusing the system we created. CCP can't realy be honest on the situation now, it's gone too far... the games turned into that market place for traders (gtc companies flooding inboxes saying hey buy these make isk legaly) CCP's own head gm told us this would not be allowed to happen. Linkage And apprantly (according to that blog) it is CCP and there moderation team that takes the morale highground on the players behalf. I think thats why there is anger.. there is simpley NO justication after reading that blog ______ Long ago one gorgeous night, we let the stars grow free. We let Zhuge do that once, he came back carrying a traffic cone, a forsale sign and three empty bottles of dutch lager. He also lost his Zimmer Frame... - Imaran

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