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Captain Soju
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.09.08 09:11:00 -
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About 3 weeks ago i took my first trip inside a wh and scored a couple of kills with my brand new SB which got me quite hyped so i have bee on the hunt for at least a couple of hours every day. To my disappointment, i have not seen a single person on any sleeper sites/mining/hauling. All i've been seeing is bubbles POS's with inactive ships for 99% of the time or the occasional astero scanning around.
I can confidently say that i've become pretty good at probe scanning and Dscanning and i can quickly find POS's in wh's. Also i try not to use probes early inside wh's so that i won't scare people off. But where is everyone?
My question as a WH noobie is: Is this scarcity of targets typical in wh's or is it something that changed with the Hyperion patch? Also, should i give it some time for the changes to sink in or should i be looking for outher sources of pvp? I've been to plenty C3-C6's and even though there is a POS in almost every one of them, i rarely see sleeper wrecks or mined ore fields.
At this point i im focusing on my SB and within the next month i will be in a pretty good spot gank wise, but it's not my gank i have an issue with but the lack of targets.
So, anyone who could shed some light to my mysterious back luck would be greatly appreciated
7o An eternal newbie's guide to the world of Eve Online - http://captainsoju.blogspot.co.uk/ |
Jessica Duranin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
131
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Posted - 2014.09.08 09:37:00 -
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Wormhole space isn't exactly the most populated area and the recent changes caused even more of the smaller corps to leave.
It definitely takes a lot of luck and patience to catch something in w-space. Most people will put up scouts on their wormholes before they start any PvE activities, so they will see your bomber entering the system. The ones you catch are those that where unwary. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6903
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Posted - 2014.09.08 09:40:00 -
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Good WHers wont let themselves be seen.
Bad ones, well hang out at the entrance if it opens in Highsec and there will be a Buzzard or a Stealth Bomber along any minute.
"Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Captain Soju
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
29
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Posted - 2014.09.08 10:07:00 -
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So, logging out inside their WH and logging back in after a few hours/days could prevent them from knowing who is inside (assuming i am in a cov-ops offocurse). But if i somehow die before probe scanning an exit i'm as good as dead :)
So, the paradox for me is: If i probe scan, then people know i'm there because its really easy to Dscan my probes. If i don't probe scan then i risk getting locked inside if i die or being able to get to people doing sleeper sites/mining in cosmic sigs.
I'm confused :(
But is camping 1 site for days worth it for the possibility of a kill?
hum.... An eternal newbie's guide to the world of Eve Online - http://captainsoju.blogspot.co.uk/ |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4192
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Posted - 2014.09.08 10:08:00 -
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Wormholes suck. The vast majority of WH activity will be a few big groups and then people like yourself flying in looking for easy kills. The people you'll catch are normally solo or small group players who have no clue what they are doing and will usually pack up and leave shortly after you kill them. The problem is that wormholes are much harder work (because of the logistics issues) and the benefit for that is miniscule. Without being in a huge group that can farm en masse, they're better off running incursions or blitzing missions.
So yeah, targets will be scarce. It's another example of where they've tried to make the game so "hardcore" that any would-be target is put off from venturing there, so all you are left with is a handful of hunters with no prey to hunt. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6903
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Posted - 2014.09.08 10:08:00 -
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Captain Soju wrote:
So, the paradox for me is: If i probe scan, then people know i'm there because its really easy to Dscan my probes. If i don't probe scan then i risk getting locked inside if i die or being able to get to people doing sleeper sites/mining in cosmic sigs.
I'm confused :( .
How?
In what way is this choice confusing you?
Also, dont bother reading Kell's post. He hasn't actually read your questions and doesnt know wtf he's or you are on about. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4192
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Posted - 2014.09.08 10:14:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Also, dont bother reading Kell's post. He hasn't actually read your questions and doesnt know wtf he's or you are on about. Lol, I read it well enough. He's sad that he's got no targets, and he's hunting in an area that has ~2500 systems (more than low and highsec combined) and the lowest population in the game. The problem isn't that he's launching his probes and alerting all of these magic womholers to scatter, it's that there's a ridiculously low number of people in the space, so running into one of them is a bloody miracle. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6903
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Posted - 2014.09.08 10:18:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Also, dont bother reading Kell's post. He hasn't actually read your questions and doesnt know wtf he's or you are on about. Lol, I read it well enough. He's sad that he's got no targets, and he's hunting in an area that has ~2500 systems (more than low and highsec combined) and the lowest population in the game. The problem isn't that he's launching his probes and alerting all of these magic womholers to scatter, it's that there's a ridiculously low number of people in the space, so running into one of them is a bloody miracle.
Confirming you dont know what this thread is about and you have not idea what you are talking about doesnt change that you dont know what this thread is about and that you dont know what you are talking about.
But I refuse to let you derail this thread with another stupid argument, so have your (incorrect) last word as usual. Im just warning Captain Soju not to listen to you. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4194
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Posted - 2014.09.08 10:26:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Confirming you dont know what this thread is about and you have not idea what you are talking about doesnt change that you dont know what this thread is about and that you dont know what you are talking about.
But I refuse to let you derail this thread with another stupid argument, so have your (incorrect) last word as usual. Im just warning Captain Soju not to listen to you. Sigh, do you ever quit trolling?
These are the questions:Captain Soju wrote:But where is everyone? Captain Soju wrote:My question as a WH noobie is: Is this scarcity of targets typical in wh's or is it something that changed with the Hyperion patch? Captain Soju wrote:Also, should i give it some time for the changes to sink in or should i be looking for outher sources of pvp? The answers are 1. Not in WH space. 2. Yes, it's always that scarce. 3. No, you should probably look for other forms of PvP if you don't like hunting around for 99% of your time to find a single target here and there.
So please explain to me exactly how answering his questions directly and honestly is somehow derailing? And explain how you attacking me in every thread you see me in isn't you derailing a thread by being a troll?
If you don't like what I have to say, there's a block button. Feel free to use it. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Fr3akwave
Shattered Sword
37
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Posted - 2014.09.08 10:27:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:[...] an area that has ~2500 systems (more than low and highsec combined) and the lowest population in the game. [...] there's a ridiculously low number of people in the space, so running into one of them is a bloody miracle.
That almost sounds like you think it shouldn't be as it is. As far as I have understood the devs regarding WH space in general, the way it is is exactly as intended. In that sense, yes that scarcity is normal and not a Hyperion issue. |
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Captain Soju
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
29
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Posted - 2014.09.08 10:28:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Also, dont bother reading Kell's post. He hasn't actually read your questions and doesnt know wtf he's or you are on about. Lol, I read it well enough. He's sad that he's got no targets, and he's hunting in an area that has ~2500 systems (more than low and highsec combined) and the lowest population in the game. The problem isn't that he's launching his probes and alerting all of these magic womholers to scatter, it's that there's a ridiculously low number of people in the space, so running into one of them is a bloody miracle. Confirming you dont know what this thread is about and you have not idea what you are talking about doesnt change that you dont know what this thread is about and that you dont know what you are talking about. But I refuse to let you derail this thread with another stupid argument, so have your (incorrect) last word as usual. Im just warning Captain Soju not to listen to you.
Not to be rude or anything but i find Kell's answers helpfull enough
Thanks :) An eternal newbie's guide to the world of Eve Online - http://captainsoju.blogspot.co.uk/ |
Mizhir
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
67795
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Posted - 2014.09.08 10:30:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Sov nullsec suck. The vast majority of Sov activity will be a few huge groups and then people like yourself flying in looking for easy kills. The people you'll catch are normally solo or small group players who have no clue what they are doing and will usually pack up and leave shortly after you blob them. The problem is that sov null is full of boring work (because of the structure grinding and tidi fests) and the benefit for that is miniscule. Without being in a huge group that can farm en masse, they're better off running incursions or blitzing missions.
So yeah, targets will be scarce. It's another example of where they've tried to make the game so "hardcore" that any would-be target is put off from venturing there, so all you are left with is a handful of hunters with no prey to hunt.
FYP One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6903
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Posted - 2014.09.08 10:31:00 -
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Captain Soju wrote:
Not to be rude or anything but i find Kell's answers helpfull enough
Thanks :)
Fair enough. But dont say I didnt warn you "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4194
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Posted - 2014.09.08 10:32:00 -
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Fr3akwave wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:[...] an area that has ~2500 systems (more than low and highsec combined) and the lowest population in the game. [...] there's a ridiculously low number of people in the space, so running into one of them is a bloody miracle. That almost sounds like you think it shouldn't be as it is. As far as I have understood the devs regarding WH space in general, the way it is is exactly as intended. In that sense, yes that scarcity is normal and not a Hyperion issue. Oh I don't disagree with the way it is and I'm not suggesting any form of change. WH space is and always has been a low population area, and will probably remain that way going forward. If you speak to the proper wormhole guys at fanfest, they love it that way, and that's fair enough, it's their space. For the OP though, he's interested in hunting targets, which can be done in wormhole space, it's just not going to be a target heavy environment to do it in, so if he's looking for frequent PvP, he's probably best looking elsewhere.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6903
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Posted - 2014.09.08 10:33:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote: If you don't like what I have to say, there's a block button. Feel free to use it.
Go suck a spike, you unpleasant little disease "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Mizhir
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
67795
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Posted - 2014.09.08 10:34:00 -
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Captain Soju wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Also, dont bother reading Kell's post. He hasn't actually read your questions and doesnt know wtf he's or you are on about. Lol, I read it well enough. He's sad that he's got no targets, and he's hunting in an area that has ~2500 systems (more than low and highsec combined) and the lowest population in the game. The problem isn't that he's launching his probes and alerting all of these magic womholers to scatter, it's that there's a ridiculously low number of people in the space, so running into one of them is a bloody miracle. Confirming you dont know what this thread is about and you have not idea what you are talking about doesnt change that you dont know what this thread is about and that you dont know what you are talking about. But I refuse to let you derail this thread with another stupid argument, so have your (incorrect) last word as usual. Im just warning Captain Soju not to listen to you. Not to be rude or anything but i find Kell's answers helpfull enough Thanks :)
A great thing about W-space is the thrill of the hunt. W-space is full of absolute boring moments. But then there are some epic moments in between that makes it all worth it. So it depends on what kind of person you are. If you have the patience to work hard in order to get some great moments then W-space is epic. This guy seem to be very successful despite being rather new: https://www.youtube.com/user/wingspantt One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4194
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Posted - 2014.09.08 10:36:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Sov nullsec suck. The vast majority of Sov activity will be a few huge groups and then people like yourself flying in looking for easy kills. The people you'll catch are normally solo or small group players who have no clue what they are doing and will usually pack up and leave shortly after you blob them. The problem is that sov null is full of boring work (because of the structure grinding and tidi fests) and the benefit for that is miniscule. Without being in a huge group that can farm en masse, they're better off running incursions or blitzing missions.
So yeah, targets will be scarce. It's another example of where they've tried to make the game so "hardcore" that any would-be target is put off from venturing there, so all you are left with is a handful of hunters with no prey to hunt. FYP You're nearly right there. Targets aren't so scarce in nullsec though, there's usually pockets of activity that are easy to find. Sov null needs a lot of work though to break it up and make it more content filled though, most people would agree. But that's not the topic here, so 'nuff said.
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Pytria Le'Danness
Placid Reborn
89
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Posted - 2014.09.08 11:13:00 -
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I live in a C3 with low sec static (main reason to go to WH space was production) and as such the only WH to WH connections are incoming K162 holes. This means for the hole to appear someone has to enter it, requiring a (somewhat) active hole on the outgoing side.
Yet almost always the holes are quiet when I explore them. IMO the reason is pretty simple: WH class and time zones. Low C WH systems can only support a handful of people with their sleeper spawns, and you can farm them pretty quick. Even though I play a lot I am active for - at most - two or three hours a day. The corpmates that join in the WH system are active around the same time. The other 22 hours our hole is a deserted wasteland.
There's little to do in low class WH systems, so player presence is low. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
1806
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Posted - 2014.09.08 12:28:00 -
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The population and general activity in wormhole space has been on the decline for some time now. This is mostly to do with the fact that CCP haven't added anything new and interesting since wormholes were introduced to the game.
Instead of a wormhole expansion, Hyperion was essentially a nerf to wormhole space and in a small way, it destroyed what the community have spent years building and turned this area of space into something less fun.
I makes more sense now to live in K-space running incursions or whatever, and just pop into wormhole space when I feel like it... but will there be anyone left to hunt? +1 |
Vyl Vit
746
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Posted - 2014.09.08 12:33:00 -
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Come out. Come out where ever you are. I've got something FOR you. Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
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Ka'Narlist
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
204
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Posted - 2014.09.08 12:45:00 -
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There was a devblog with charts in which area how much PvP happens. Nullsec was the most by a far margin, but I'm not sure on which place wh space ranked. But this shows thats its no big wonder why you can't find anyone |
Cherry Sulphate
ojingo
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Posted - 2014.09.08 13:16:00 -
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oh come on batman! this is a blatant butt-sensitised wh'er stealth moaning about how their stuff got nerfed. next. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5409
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Posted - 2014.09.08 16:11:00 -
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If there is any change that would discourage people from entering wormholes, it's this "distance by mass" effect meaning that if the WH is camped, there's no jumping back out because you can end up "autopilot distance" from the hole.
And it brings us once again to "pay for a new account to get a scout alt" routine that looks like a scam to most people. Let's see, get another sub (that's double the payment for people with one account)
OR
Just do highsec incursions or missions
DUH. No brainer there. In a game where stats or ISK are the end all be all (and it was advertised that way) people either want ISK meaning they'll find the easiest way to get it, or they want stats in the easiest manner (highsec war, opportunistic ganking) or they want to at the least keep their ships off someone else's kill board (deciding that if you are not going to be the boot, then don't be the ass either).
The outcome was predictable. I've been selling off my Astero's and Stratioses rather then risk enhancing someone else's killboard.
Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5409
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Posted - 2014.09.08 16:13:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Lucas Kell wrote: If you don't like what I have to say, there's a block button. Feel free to use it.
Go suck a spike, you unpleasant little disease
And in RL you two would be buying each other rounds and making fun of the WoW players. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6917
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Posted - 2014.09.08 16:16:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Lucas Kell wrote: If you don't like what I have to say, there's a block button. Feel free to use it.
Go suck a spike, you unpleasant little disease And in RL you two would be buying each other rounds and making fun of the WoW players.
You are almost certainly right "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2116
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Posted - 2014.09.08 19:13:00 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.
5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
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Captain Soju
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.09.09 14:00:00 -
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After enough contemplation and having spent almost a month without a single target in whs i have decided that it simply isn't worth the time.
I believe that for the time being i will be using wh's as means of traversing space. Perhaps this is the way the changes have been introduced: To make wh as means to an and, not an end to the means.
Many alliances bubble camp entries to their space quite heavily and one of the ways i could bypass that is by entering wh's with a null sec static. Perhaps i could find potential targets by stealthily getting into systems of high ratting/mining activity that way.
The lone SB's quest for food continues... An eternal newbie's guide to the world of Eve Online - http://captainsoju.blogspot.co.uk/ |
Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
861
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Posted - 2014.09.09 14:38:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Absolute bullshit Lucas Kell wrote:Wormholes suck. Yeah, don't listen to a word Lucas says...his above statement of "Wormholes suck" is almost as poisonous as the idiots who stay in the NPC corp telling new players not to join a corp because "reasons", not to go into lowsec or null because they will die or telling newbies to go mine for a living...simple as that...
As a wormholer I can tell you that yes, people are moving out. But also there are still plenty of people in wormholes.
Often you will find certain people mining or hauling PI or even dropping MTUs while they run the next site in RR Domi's.
C2 and C5 holes see the most mutal PvP from personal experience. Where most miners I've caught tend to be in C1s. You can find people doing PI in a lot of holes.
You have to remember that there are 2498 wormholes in Eve. Compare that to nullsec: 3524 and hisec: 1090, that should put things into perspective if you don't run into someone.
If you truly want to experience wormhole space, I would suggest joining a wormhole corporation or enquiring about Braves wormhole corp (I believe they're called Dropbears, although don't hold me to that).
Another thing you might want to do is stop by the wormhole subforum.
One thing I would very much say for you not to do, is try wormholing solo. Joining a corp that owns a hole gives you access to a base of operations and allows for different tactics to look for targets (or have targets come to you). Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1705
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Posted - 2014.09.09 15:39:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Wormholes suck. The vast majority of WH activity will be a few big groups and then people like yourself flying in looking for easy kills. The people you'll catch are normally solo or small group players who have no clue what they are doing and will usually pack up and leave shortly after you kill them. The problem is that wormholes are much harder work (because of the logistics issues) and the benefit for that is miniscule. Without being in a huge group that can farm en masse, they're better off running incursions or blitzing missions.
So yeah, targets will be scarce. It's another example of where they've tried to make the game so "hardcore" that any would-be target is put off from venturing there, so all you are left with is a handful of hunters with no prey to hunt.
This entire post is completely false and anyone who has any WH experience will know from reading it that Lucas has none.
- Gas mining in WH space is the most profitable gas in the game. 60mil in an hour in a Tech1 Frigate.
- The data/relic sites, forget which ones, can be solo run in a Marauder and net you a billion or more for less than an hour work.
- Not to mention "quad caps", which doesn't necessarily even need a huge fleet (2 dreads 2 carriers and a loki) can make you a few hundred million in an hour. I think my average is 300mil for 1-2 hours, which would take a mission runner all day.
- Same thing goes for "static ops" which usually only uses 1 carrier and a few BS + loki.
- Mining in a WH is usually safer than mining in NullSec (despite what Ore Anom whiners say).
- Production costs in WHs are cheaper than anywhere else in EVE.
- The PI is arguably better if your system has good planets.
- Even in a C6 you're still only a few jumps from HiSec most of the time, compare this to Null which could be dozens of jumps before LowSec.
- PvP in WHs is just better, even though the "armor tech3" meta is annoying. You get small gangs, big gangs, frig, cruiser fleets - everything up to dreads'n'carriers - without hotdrops, cynos, or TiDi.
- No alliance/coalition/bloc drama and nonsense to deal with.
Epic Space Cat |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1705
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Posted - 2014.09.09 15:40:00 -
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Seraph Essael wrote:If you truly want to experience wormhole space, I would suggest joining a wormhole corporation or enquiring about Braves wormhole corp (I believe they're called Dropbears, although don't hold me to that).
Dropbears Anonymous.
Epic Space Cat |
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