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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
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Posted - 2011.11.24 04:18:00 -
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So here's the idea: I have a low sec status. It's fine. I like it. Every now and again I want to go to empire for a refreshing Quaffe and pleasure hub run. Instead of using an alt, what if CONCORD would sell me a day-pass on the black market?
You buy a pass that lasts a day to a week... call it "fake ID" or something, make the rate at which pods are charged for this pass dependent on the severity of their security penalty.
I'm not going to fix my sec status. It's right where it should be. But I would buy this frickin' pass on occasion.
What would you guys say to something like that if CCP did it? Good idea or no? Would you use this? All GëíGêçGëí Ships | Many Odd GëíGêçGëí Items (+Drones) | <-- Links to showInfo in-game |
Halcyon Ingenium
The Randomites
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Posted - 2011.11.24 04:21:00 -
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I doubt it would cut down on alt use, but I don't see a problem if it is just a pod coming in. Would be too many abusing it if they could fly ships in. The loser in any fight consols himself with a moral victory. Thus is the beginning of slave-morality.
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
348
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Posted - 2011.11.24 04:21:00 -
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You must be under the impression that a few thousand players would bother with that.. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
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Posted - 2011.11.24 04:22:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:You must be under the impression that a few thousand players would bother with that..
Yes. I am under that impression. Otherwise I wouldn't have suggested it.
Halcyon Ingenium wrote:I doubt it would cut down on alt use, but I don't see a problem if it is just a pod coming in. Would be too many abusing it if they could fly ships in.
What if it was limited to ship class... say shuttles and industrial ships... would that be cool with you? I can see the abuse problem. All GëíGêçGëí Ships | Many Odd GëíGêçGëí Items (+Drones) | <-- Links to showInfo in-game |
1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
128
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Posted - 2011.11.24 04:40:00 -
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Yea, you'd have to have ship restrictions on this thing. Suicide gankers would go crazy for this, letting em gank all day everyday having no penalty. Have to restrict it to ship that can't fit guns or something 5 Senses In A Person... 4 Seasons In A Year... 3 Colors In A Stoplight... 2 Poles On The Earth... ONLY 1-UP MUSHROOM!!!-á If You Like My Sig, Like Me! |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
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Posted - 2011.11.24 04:43:00 -
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1-Up Mushroom wrote:Yea, you'd have to have ship restrictions on this thing. Suicide gankers would go crazy for this, letting em gank all day everyday having no penalty. Have to restrict it to ship that can't fit guns or something First let me say: Name - Awesome. Bio - Also Awesome.
I would be fine with a no weapons restriction. They could play it off like "cops don't look as hard at your id when you are unarmed." All GëíGêçGëí Ships | Many Odd GëíGêçGëí Items (+Drones) | <-- Links to showInfo in-game |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.24 05:00:00 -
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Gogela wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:You must be under the impression that a few thousand players would bother with that.. Yes. I am under that impression. Otherwise I wouldn't have suggested it. Halcyon Ingenium wrote:I doubt it would cut down on alt use, but I don't see a problem if it is just a pod coming in. Would be too many abusing it if they could fly ships in. What if it was limited to ship class... say shuttles and industrial ships... would that be cool with you? I can see the abuse problem.
PvP Badger outlaw gank it would be fun as hell. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
348
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Posted - 2011.11.24 05:04:00 -
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Except CONCORD isn't exactly renowed for being corrupt. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
218
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Posted - 2011.11.24 05:10:00 -
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Oh no! A change is being suggested!!1! I won't read the OP but will rage troll and flame instead!! Marsha Marsha Marsha!!!!1!!! |
Dark Magnetar
Royal Ordnance Imperial Hull Tankers
3
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Posted - 2011.11.24 05:18:00 -
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The weapons restriction wouldn't stop a dedicated ganker because they could just buy the weapons in station, undock, and gank before CONCORD gets to them. Same applies for the ship restriction, unless it was hardcoded in that you couldn't undock with a ship with a turret/launcher hardpoint. I suppose this could be remedied by making it an exploit to do so. |
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Kiyl
YOU ARE ALL DOOMED Double Tap.
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Posted - 2011.11.24 05:52:00 -
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Some outlaws already do that^. |
Amro One
One.
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Posted - 2011.11.24 06:10:00 -
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Can I have your stuff |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
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Posted - 2011.11.24 06:26:00 -
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Gogela wrote:So here's the idea: I have a low sec status. It's fine. I like it. Every now and again I want to go to empire for a refreshing Quaffe and pleasure hub run. Instead of using an alt, what if CONCORD would sell me a day-pass on the black market?
You buy a pass that lasts a day to a week... call it "fake ID" or something, make the rate at which pods are charged for this pass dependent on the severity of their security penalty.
I'm not going to fix my sec status. It's right where it should be. But I would buy this frickin' pass on occasion.
What would you guys say to something like that if CCP did it? Good idea or no? Would you use this?
I have a better idea. I can buy an "anti gank" pass from concord, and fly around low/null sec for a day a week or so and be totally immune from ganking. Call it a "I wanna pay to avoid the consequences of my playstyle" pass or something.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
117
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Posted - 2011.11.24 06:30:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Gogela wrote:So here's the idea: I have a low sec status. It's fine. I like it. Every now and again I want to go to empire for a refreshing Quaffe and pleasure hub run. Instead of using an alt, what if CONCORD would sell me a day-pass on the black market?
You buy a pass that lasts a day to a week... call it "fake ID" or something, make the rate at which pods are charged for this pass dependent on the severity of their security penalty.
I'm not going to fix my sec status. It's right where it should be. But I would buy this frickin' pass on occasion.
What would you guys say to something like that if CCP did it? Good idea or no? Would you use this? I have a better idea. I can buy an "anti gank" pass from concord, and fly around low/null sec for a day a week or so and be totally immune from ganking. Call it a "I wanna pay to avoid the consequences of my playstyle" pass or something. The "sandbox" aspect of the game is structured in such a way that you're already able to do this. Nothing prevents you from approaching sovereignty holders and offering money in exchange for freedom of movement. |
Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2011.11.24 06:40:00 -
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Halcyon Ingenium wrote:I doubt it would cut down on alt use, but I don't see a problem if it is just a pod coming in. Would be too many abusing it if they could fly ships in.
Idea has merit I reckon:
10mil for -5 -> -6 20mil for -6 -> -7 30mil for -7 -> -8 40mil for -8 -> -9 50mil for -9 -> -10
in addition: 10mil for pod 20mil for frigate 30mil for cruiser 40mil for BC 50mil for BS
so a -7.5 pilot in a BS would pay 30mil + 50mil = 80 mil for concord blind eye. or a -5.5 pilot in a pod would pay 10mil + 10mil for concord blind eye
If a pilot on a Black ID draws the attention of Concord (by aggression in empire) then concord could pod the pilot |
Jita Alt666
573
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Posted - 2011.11.24 06:42:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:
I have a better idea. I can buy an "anti gank" pass from concord, and fly around low/null sec for a day a week or so and be totally immune from ganking. Call it a "I wanna pay to avoid the consequences of my playstyle" pass or something.
You don't actually play Eve Online a terrible game do you? |
Roosterton
Eternal Frontier
159
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Posted - 2011.11.24 06:45:00 -
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This is a decent idea. I'd make it so that committing a GCC crime in highsec while using the pass causes the pass to be revoked, forcing them to buy another one if they need more highsec travel within that same week. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
26
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Posted - 2011.11.24 06:47:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Except CONCORD isn't exactly renowed for being corrupt.
I'm pretty sure that's what a wardec is. Paying CONCORD a bribe to have them look the other way. |
Ai Shun
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.24 08:21:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:
10mil for -5 -> -6 20mil for -6 -> -7 30mil for -7 -> -8 40mil for -8 -> -9 50mil for -9 -> -10
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so a -7.5 pilot in a BS would pay 30mil + 50mil = 80 mil for concord blind eye. or a -5.5 pilot in a pod would pay 10mil + 10mil for concord blind eye
If a pilot on a Black ID draws the attention of Concord (by aggression in empire) then concord could pod the pilot
I like your addition. However, should the security status purchase be cumulative? E.g. 30m ISK for -7 to -6 + 20m ISK for -6 to -5, etc.
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Jonni Favorite
Sundown Logistics SpaceMonkey's Alliance
40
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Posted - 2011.11.24 08:30:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Ptraci wrote:Gogela wrote:So here's the idea: I have a low sec status. It's fine. I like it. Every now and again I want to go to empire for a refreshing Quaffe and pleasure hub run. Instead of using an alt, what if CONCORD would sell me a day-pass on the black market?
You buy a pass that lasts a day to a week... call it "fake ID" or something, make the rate at which pods are charged for this pass dependent on the severity of their security penalty.
I'm not going to fix my sec status. It's right where it should be. But I would buy this frickin' pass on occasion.
What would you guys say to something like that if CCP did it? Good idea or no? Would you use this? I have a better idea. I can buy an "anti gank" pass from concord, and fly around low/null sec for a day a week or so and be totally immune from ganking. Call it a "I wanna pay to avoid the consequences of my playstyle" pass or something. The "sandbox" aspect of the game is structured in such a way that you're already able to do this. Nothing prevents you from approaching sovereignty holders and offering money in exchange for freedom of movement.
Besides the fact that you missed the sarcasm, I think he was asking for a full "immunity pass" not a "I'll pay you and still have to watch over my back" pass.. |
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Alisarina
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.24 08:51:00 -
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I'm neither for nor against this due to the fact that I don't care either way. However if it was to be an isk sink...a paltry 80 mill to fly a BS in high sec would be laughable. That's not even enough to make a drop in the pond. Make it mean something...times all of the above numbers by 10 (in the post 4 or 5 above this one) and then MAYBE we will see it as an isk sink.Sub 100 mill is laughable...hell sub 1 bill is also lauhable considering the mayhem that could be done with this in a naked jumpclone and a friendly vacated BC or BS that a friend/alt provided for you at the sun at zero.
EDIT: Just pod around a belt, have a friend warp in with a new tier 3 BC and eject, you jump in and alpha a hulk or something...worth it. You can do that already however I believe so not sure, I don't do low sec status things or gankage |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
174
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Posted - 2011.11.24 12:36:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Ptraci wrote:[quote=Gogela]So here's the idea: I have a low sec status. It's fine. I like it. Every now and again I want to go to empire for a refreshing Quaffe and pleasure hub run. Instead of using an alt, what if CONCORD would sell me a day-pass on the black market?
The "sandbox" aspect of the game is structured in such a way that you're already able to do this. Nothing prevents you from approaching sovereignty holders and offering money in exchange for freedom of movement.
Have you tried this? I have. The answer (when lucky) is usually NO STFU or better yet, they take your money THEN gank you. Anyway I wasn't being serious - merely mocking OP. I mean if the "red" players are supposed to be so tough - why do they need to visit empire at all? After all they certainly hate us in carebear land - at least that's the impression here on the forums. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
119
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Posted - 2011.11.24 12:47:00 -
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I know you weren't being serious. That doesn't stop me from pointing out the flaw in your argument, though. I can easily say that you can't blame the game on your own shortcomings, inability to negotiate, lack of charisma, et cetera, but that's not my concern here.
The main point of this thread is actually a non-issue. Outlaws can use alts to shop and haul. Outlaws also aren't precluded from killing people in high-sec; the methods change but the outcome remains the same.
Still, CONCORD is a hard-coded, absolute game mechanic that automatically punishes a play style that some people disagree with. No other such game mechanic exists that affects other play styles; everything else is controlled by the players. This, in itself, is already a form of unbalance. If you have the possibility (no matter how unlikely in your eyes) to secure safety for yourself outside of high-sec, why shouldn't a criminal have some sort of avenue for police evasion? |
Rellik B00n
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.11.24 12:58:00 -
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no. crime = time. alts = shop. /end |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
106
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Posted - 2011.11.24 14:07:00 -
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Gogela wrote:So here's the idea: I have a low sec status...It's fine...I'm not going to fix my sec status. It's right where it should be. Whoa ho ho! SO hard to hide. Pok was right. They screw up, lose their security status and are FORCED to dwell in lo/null, then claim it was THEIR idea all along...but insist HI should be made LO, but just to help the game along...you can guess the rest.
Truth hurts, don't it?
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |
Jaketh Ivanes
Incursive Intentions Inc
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Posted - 2011.11.24 14:47:00 -
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I kind of like the idea, think it should be even more expensive and still restrict access to 0.8 and above (they just can't turn an eye). On top of that, you may be "immune" to Concord, but not to players. Is your sec status low enough you are still a free target for all . |
1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
135
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Posted - 2011.11.24 20:23:00 -
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Gogela wrote:1-Up Mushroom wrote:Yea, you'd have to have ship restrictions on this thing. Suicide gankers would go crazy for this, letting em gank all day everyday having no penalty. Have to restrict it to ship that can't fit guns or something First let me say: Name - Awesome. Bio - Also Awesome.
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