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Jerikia Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.31 12:54:00 - [1] I am proud to announce the opening to the public investors of Rivers Enterprises. Shares are available at 150,000isk. Only 40,000 shares will be available to the public for now. As this is my first venture I recommend you only purchase a couple of shares! Then wait and see what the dividends are like :) For further details please read; Rivers Enterprises I appreciate any and all feedback. Thanks for reading, J.
Ellaine TashMurkon Em Pack HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2006.07.31 13:14:00 - [2] After reading Your money making plans; How are You planning to benefit from investment. You are trying to sell 6 bill worth of actions but most of Your activities do nor require 6 bill investment only player time. State Your business plan and capabilities more precisely :) --- Bookmark improvements Player owned brokers
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2006.07.31 13:24:00 - [3] Hi, Can I ask you to give a quick bio of who you are, what you have been doing in EVE, how long, who you know and have worked with etc? Best Regards, Taurequis
Jerikia Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.31 13:31:00 - [4] ok thank you for your comment. There are 3 ways I intend to use the investment made by players. 1) Trade: Purchase of re-sellable goods via the market and escrow. 2) Purchase of shares in other public companies. Although I don't intend on buying shares and then selling them on straight away like some players/corporations do. I am going to invest long term into the companies. 3) Recycle some of the investments made by players as profit. I'm not intending on making a Big Investment. I want to show that Joe Average can run a corporation like me. So if I receive 200 million in share purchases one week and I have not got the need to purchase goods. ie: It's still there in the Corp Wallet Sunday Night, then I will issue a dividend including that amount. At the end of the day I want to something to be proud of, to say to myself that I have stamped my identity, albeit tiny, onto the world of EVE Online :) I have been runnning a few web games for the past 3+ years and it gives me great satisfaction when I receive words of thanks for a great game etc, and now I want to attempt this in EVE :) Even if you don't invest, wish me luck! :) J.
Jerikia Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.31 13:52:00 - [5] Originally by: Taurequis Hi, Can I ask you to give a quick bio of who you are, what you have been doing in EVE, how long, who you know and have worked with etc? Best Regards, Taurequis er I posted a lengthy response to this and it disappeared when I clicked post reply? :/ I started out in May 2003 as Jerikia Mayar. I left for a little bit when the corp I was in, SMaK Enterprises, headed to 0.0. (When I returned I lost my history?) I also own Jerikia and Woodje chars. Jerikia I consider my main as Mayar char is ruined after I did a test a podded my Jerikia char and received an awfully huge sec hit! (Then got concorded by sentries when I wanted to head back into high sec shortly afterwards). I joined E.A.R.T.H. Federation a couple of months ago after helping Det Resprox with his T.R.I.A.D Playe Agency idea. However, after I invested 1.2 Billion into that corp so they could set up an alliance the corp ceo, Eximius Josari got bored, and left the corp and game, and me with nothing. I have always wanted to run my own corporation, and I have invested a lot of isk in the last few months in public company shares myself. It is a very exciting venture and I look forward to this challenge I have set myself. J.
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2006.07.31 15:09:00 - [6] Hi again, Good start... A few more easy ones... Can you post a quick "hi this is me" confirmation with each of your characters named above. Beyond that give me a bit more of a history of what corps you have been in and got involved with, your positions of responsiblity in them (were you a director, ceo, builder, grunt), types and size of the corps. It would be nice if a couple of well known directors types of said corps or good standing invidiuals in the alliance system could post a quick character reference for you too.... Yes this is a little like a job interview...but you are asking for my investment and I want to start by working out who you are. Best Regards, Taurequis
Jerikia Mayar	Posted - 2006.07.31 15:15:00 - [7] This is my second char.
Woodje Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.31 15:22:00 - [8] This is my third character. (This board doesn't like account switching!)
EMFi Manager EvE Mutual Fund Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.31 15:25:00 - [9] Originally by: Jerikia 3) Recycle some of the investments made by players as profit. I'm not intending on making a Big Investment. I want to show that Joe Average can run a corporation like me. So if I receive 200 million in share purchases one week and I have not got the need to purchase goods. ie: It's still there in the Corp Wallet Sunday Night, then I will issue a dividend including that amount. o.O you serious? :) This basically means that investments don't add to corporation value and the true (intrinsic) value of the share goes down with every investment made. Also paying profits out of capital by new investors over the nominal (face value) of the share is a prime ingredient of a pyramid scheme. What is your exit-plan? ie: lets say you decide in 3 months to call it quits, will you pay back face value on shares? will you liquidate? (even though capital has already been paid as profits?) Regards, Alt of Naphtalia Visit my investment site
Jerikia Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.31 15:47:00 - [10] Originally by: EMFi Manager Originally by: Jerikia 3) Recycle some of the investments made by players as profit. I'm not intending on making a Big Investment. I want to show that Joe Average can run a corporation like me. So if I receive 200 million in share purchases one week and I have not got the need to purchase goods. ie: It's still there in the Corp Wallet Sunday Night, then I will issue a dividend including that amount. o.O you serious? :) This basically means that investments don't add to corporation value and the true (intrinsic) value of the share goes down with every investment made. Also paying profits out of capital by new investors over the nominal (face value) of the share is a prime ingredient of a pyramid scheme. What is your exit-plan? ie: lets say you decide in 3 months to call it quits, will you pay back face value on shares? will you liquidate? (even though capital has already been paid as profits?) Regards, Ah. Pyramid scheme is certainly not my intention. My re-reading my third part had raised a question ... what if one person bought all my shares, and I did that ... then he'd receive ALL his money back! 3 is not a viable option, so I will not do that. However, I do not also want a corp wallet with Millions sat there.. I want to spend it or distribute it! However, your last point explains to me the need to keep funds in the corp wallet. Liquidation in the event of the corp failure. Therefore realistically I will need to decide how much will be kept "static" in the corp wallet as protection for this occurance to would be investors. J.
Ellaine TashMurkon Em Pack HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2006.07.31 15:51:00 - [11] Thats the balance problem of eve and main reason that makes investment market not-so-active. ISK invested is not very important compared to effort and talent of workers. People can make initial investment with relative easy, generating first few billions from low-investment time-consuming activities and then it goes very well without external founds, usually. Really extremly profitable, high investment vs low effort items, like rare T2 BPOs, are simply not for sale usually. So, imho, stock market wuld much benefit from changing invest/effort balance in for some moneymaking activities. Now, compared to mineral market for instance, its almost dead (although, I belive few companies are very successfull and really benefit from investments, its simply a rare virtue). --- Bookmark improvements Player owned brokers
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2006.07.31 16:05:00 - [12] Edited by: Taurequis on 31/07/2006 16:05:32 Originally by: Jerikia Originally by: EMFi Manager Originally by: Jerikia 3) Recycle some of the investments made by players as profit. I'm not intending on making a Big Investment. I want to show that Joe Average can run a corporation like me. So if I receive 200 million in share purchases one week and I have not got the need to purchase goods. ie: It's still there in the Corp Wallet Sunday Night, then I will issue a dividend including that amount. o.O you serious? :) This basically means that investments don't add to corporation value and the true (intrinsic) value of the share goes down with every investment made. Also paying profits out of capital by new investors over the nominal (face value) of the share is a prime ingredient of a pyramid scheme. What is your exit-plan? ie: lets say you decide in 3 months to call it quits, will you pay back face value on shares? will you liquidate? (even though capital has already been paid as profits?) Regards, Ah. Pyramid scheme is certainly not my intention. My re-reading my third part had raised a question ... what if one person bought all my shares, and I did that ... then he'd receive ALL his money back! 3 is not a viable option, so I will not do that. However, I do not also want a corp wallet with Millions sat there.. I want to spend it or distribute it! However, your last point explains to me the need to keep funds in the corp wallet. Liquidation in the event of the corp failure. Therefore realistically I will need to decide how much will be kept "static" in the corp wallet as protection for this occurance to would be investors. J. Hi, From your tone of your posts and reply's so far i'm keeping my interest. But i'd highly recommend you book a meeting (a.k.a grilling) with EMFI to concreate up your actual buisness plan and idea before fully launching your IPO. You will find him hard but very useful in his suggestions on many base level aspects of what you are trying to do. To that end, input at this stage will deterimine not only the sucess of your IPO fund raising but the natural organic growth and wealth of your company. Best Regards, Taurequis
Pang Grohl Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.31 16:35:00 - [13] I read your blog. You've spelled out the activities you plan carry to make money, which is good. How ever a very good point has been made that these activities don't need a lot of ISK to start making money. So, I have a few questions about your offering. Based on your report of the existence of 91,000 share of River Enterprises stock, do you have 13,650,000,000 ISK in assets? Can you prove it? What stocks do you hold in your investment portfolio? I don't really need to know the quantities, I would just like to see that your portfolio is well selected. Can you give us some information on your revenue & profits to-date? P.S. I know I'm breaking one of my own guidelines for being a good investor/investment, but I figured that I should at least showcase a little bit of what I had in mind when I made that post. In particular I'm looking at sections 3 & 4 of Investment Seekers. What Can Players do to Legitimize the Capital Investment Market? This signature is a tribute to the greatest signature of all time. It's not the greatest signature ever, it's just a... Tribute!!
Jerikia Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.31 17:22:00 - [14] Thank you everyone for your input, it has given me a lot to tihnk about and with that in mind I have updated my original post! Please be patient if I do not respond to your initial enquiry when I'm online, things may get hectic for me! Thanks, J.
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2006.07.31 17:50:00 - [15] Originally by: Jerikia 1) You can only purchase 1 lot of 100 shares. So your looking for 400 different investors? Might take a while.... Still recommend you chat to EMFI get a touch more structure to the plan. Best Regards, Taurequis
Tami Auryn Natural Evolution	Posted - 2006.07.31 17:53:00 - [16] Originally by: Jerikia 2) You have to have at least 3 Months employment History. Why? Dont you want my isk ? I should say that to you, as i want to put my isk into you, i should know you havent just started playing eve, and not the oposite.
Jerikia Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.31 18:21:00 - [17] Originally by: Tami Auryn Originally by: Jerikia 2) You have to have at least 3 Months employment History. Why? Dont you want my isk ? I should say that to you, as i want to put my isk into you, i should know you havent just started playing eve, and not the oposite. Hiya, I regret having to do this, but this is to avoid players creating alt accounts to take advantage of this share offer. I want to be as fair as possible, but with the imposed limit of 100 shares per player, this rule had to be implemented. J.
Jerikia Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.31 19:07:00 - [18] OK reduced to 1 month employment history because thye will be gone in a month (maybe ;))
Tami Auryn Natural Evolution	Posted - 2006.07.31 19:09:00 - [19] I have to say that in my option this bussines started as something, but turned out as something completly diferent that you keep changing as you go along.
Jerikia Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.31 19:15:00 - [20] /nods yep I wanted to show myself as a serious business but there were too many questions, and some questions I couldn't answer (like references), so I thought sod it, free money all round \o/
Jerikia Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.31 19:31:00 - [21] 10 investors so far.. 390 to go ... J.
Pang Grohl Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.31 20:09:00 - [22] Originally by: Jerikia /nods yep I wanted to show myself as a serious business but there were too many questions, and some questions I couldn't answer (like references), so I thought sod it, free money all round \o/ Ok, 400 million is a lot less risky for venture capital. If you're not looking for venture capital, please provide a statement of your assets equal to or greater than 400 million ISK. Otherwise you will continue to have a very cool response to this thread. This signature is a tribute to the greatest signature of all time. It's not the greatest signature ever, it's just a... Tribute!!
Jerikia Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.31 20:14:00 - [23] Are there any free websites that I can upload a screenie of my Shares portfolio? J.
Pang Grohl Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.31 20:18:00 - [24] Originally by: Jerikia Are there any free websites that I can upload a screenie of my Shares portfolio? J. EVE-Files. This signature is a tribute to the greatest signature of all time. It's not the greatest signature ever, it's just a... Tribute!!
Kenz Rider	Posted - 2006.07.31 20:22:00 - [25] WTF
Jerikia Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.31 20:30:00 - [26] BLOG updated. Jim.
Jerikia Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.31 20:33:00 - [27] Edited by: Jerikia on 31/07/2006 20:33:47 Asset Portfolio I did do an image, but it took up the whole of the thread =]
Pang Grohl Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.31 21:20:00 - [28] Jerikia, I appreciate your persistence in this. I really do want for you to succeed at securing the capital you want. Will any of the portfolio be transfered to Rivers Enterprises? I am assuming that the remaining 50,000 shares of Rivers Entprises will be retained by Rivers Enterprises. BTW, good job responding to the concerns expressed here on the forums. This signature is a tribute to the greatest signature of all time. It's not the greatest signature ever, it's just a... Tribute!!
Jerikia Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.31 21:36:00 - [29] Yes the 50,000 remaining shares will be retained by the corp. I'm still deciding whether to transfer the share portfolio into Rivers Enterprises. I was thinking about crediting the corp with 50% of dividends I receive and re-investing 50% into more shares. I don't want to stagnate my share holding. I will think more on this (and listen to suggestions, if any) and then post on my blog.
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2006.07.31 22:51:00 - [30] Hi Jerikia, Sorry for crashing out of our chat earlier. Was just getting warmed up too. My video card seems to have died (running on the spare atm). I'll try and grab you in game when I can get in next. Best Regards, Taurequis

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