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Erif Nosra Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.31 13:35:00 - [1] I have a vexor bpo and my corp was thinking of building these as we mine easily enough mins. The question I have tho is if I cant mine Nocx/Mega/Zyd is there any point? Vexors sell for around 4.3M Buying the Nocx/Mega/Zyd costs 1.62M This means we make 2.82M per Vexor but ..... We could have sold the Trit/Pye/Mex/Iso for 2M leaving 800K - costs of the production line Is it worth building them?
Avon Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.31 13:38:00 - [2] If you want to avoid interacting with other players (by buying their stuff), you can do one of two things to get your rare minerals: 1. Buy underpriced modules off the market (or loot drops from missions) and reprocess them (easy). 2. Kill lots of rogue drones. You can get all the rare minerals you need in high security space .. and you and earn money getting them too. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.31 13:39:00 - [3] What Avon says and do what is best for your wallet. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Rabbitgod Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.31 13:52:00 - [4] The other thing you can do is find a low sec or 0.0 allince that will directly trade low ends for high ends. Tho this is not an offer from ASCN I don't have the abilty to make that kind of deal. How ever feel free to send a mail off to Polaris or Bunnyjumper to see if such a deal with ASCN is posable. ---{24th member of the 23}---
Empire Runner	Posted - 2006.07.31 14:02:00 - [5] Keep in mind I recall some Dev saying that it was not their intent that high end mins would be so easily available in empire missions. To get Megacyte or Zydrine you should have to go to low security space, its part of the risk / reward matrix.. They are going to take the Mega / Zyd out of rogue drone missions eventually. Probably with Kali. Get used to buying them off the market or acquiring them through some roundabout means if you do not wish to mine them in low security.
zerb'liar	Posted - 2006.07.31 14:16:00 - [6] Edited by: zerb''liar on 31/07/2006 14:17:51 the point in buying mins on the market is the following : target the objects which are profitable even when buying minerals at mineral market price. You will, on some items (do some research on your own - depends on the region where u are) do 5 to 20% profit. If the items can be sold with a good volume you will get a profit with very low risk. Maybe the VEXOR isn't the good object in this case. Edit : 800 K on a 4.3 Millions sale is a good profit. In this case u may just not be satisfied by volume. Second way to make money is : sell BPCs if you have BPOs. It will add to the overall profit level. But once again : target the good stuff : the stuff that sells in reasonnable to high volume.
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.07.31 14:31:00 - [7] Originally by: zerb'liar 800 K on a 4.3 Millions sale is a good profit. What he said. Also, Trit is currently selling for ridiculous amounts of money ) Maybe a good idea to sell any extra you may have right now and wait till it drops a little. For buying mins, also try buy orders. That can save a few percent if you're not in any hurry to get new Vexors built. Smagd ) Any of the resident macro miner conspiracy theorists want to make a statement? -- When I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally. Thukkers do
Reithan Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.31 14:50:00 - [8] Well, I've been turning a tidy profit on my investments (5-35%) and here's what I do: When buying mins, buy at the lowest price COMMON to your region. Rely on trade skills to expand your buy range, allowing you to yank up good deals from higher paying buyers, even those right next door... Once you have everything bought, use and indy, and friends with indies to collect the minerals, or if you're lazy, or busy, use courier missions. I generally put collateral of price+25% and pay out about 1% per jump in hi-sec and 2-3% through low sec...calculate your profit margins before you pay for couriering though...no point paying to get the minerals, if it eats all your profit. Then, when you decide what to build, don't base your profit scheme on the prices you're BUYING minerals for, base it on what you COULD SELL the minerals for. If you'd make more money selling the minerals than your would crafting the item (regardless that you will make money over your buy price...), then you'd be better off selling the mins...or more likely, simply finding a more lucrative item to craft. Also, on BPOs with a good sales rate that you craft a lot off of, research up the Material Efficiency. Even just 10 ME makes a HUGE difference. That's all.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.31 15:02:00 - [9] Originally by: Smagd Originally by: zerb'liar 800 K on a 4.3 Millions sale is a good profit. What he said. There are no labour costs in this example. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.07.31 15:06:00 - [10] Originally by: Rabbitgod The other thing you can do is find a low sec or 0.0 allince that will directly trade low ends for high ends. Tho this is not an offer from ASCN I don't have the abilty to make that kind of deal. How ever feel free to send a mail off to Polaris or Bunnyjumper to see if such a deal with ASCN is posable. Another option is to find an entrance to 0.0 away from the market hubs and put up a buy order for a large quantity of zydrine and megacyte at a fairly low price, ie say 3k/unit or something. Lazy people that want to cash in on their mining ops in 0.0, but don't want to go the extra 20 jumps to a market hub (maybe they've already travelled 20 jumps to get into empire) will sell you some mins at the reduced rate. This does of course require travel through low sec. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson

Monkey nut Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.31 15:06:00 - [11] Edited by: Monkey nut on 31/07/2006 15:06:53 Maybe take a look at my EVEProducer application Linkage This is designed to work out profit margins, mining requirements, average buy/sell order prices etc for those of us that do production for business. It will even do quotes and BYOM style of production. If you have nay questions about it, feel free to drop me a note on the forum (here on the link above) or an evemail. EDIT: Typos, it appears I can spell my own creations name :D --------------------------------- Monkey Nut Developer of EVESuite (EVEProducer, EVETrader, EVETanking)
Rick Dentill Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.07.31 15:23:00 - [12] 800k is good profit on a vexor, it is 19% so can't complain with that. moreover, its 800k more than you would have if you didn't make them _______ http://x-universe.kiwi.nu/page.php?id=dd
Novarei Ninth Column	Posted - 2006.07.31 15:28:00 - [13] Just mine more low end ores than you need and sell them... if you catch my drift. --------------------
Erif Nosra Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.31 15:41:00 - [14] Edited by: Erif Nosra on 31/07/2006 15:42:28 Double Post
Erif Nosra Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.31 15:41:00 - [15] Thanks very much for the advice guys much appreciated your right 19% is good hadnt looked at it like that.
Shamis Orzoz SniggWaffe	Posted - 2006.07.31 15:50:00 - [16] Most large scale producers don't mine at all. The word of the day is Volume.
Tao Han Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.31 15:53:00 - [17] And you can mine Nocx in "safe space", try Pyroxeres or whatever its called
Olea Avenger Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.31 15:59:00 - [18] Set your buy orders on the trade routes up from 0.0 areas. These will help lower the costs of highends. Do the same for areas with lots of the low end productions (High Sec). Finally, collect minerals and bring to a good place to build. You can often do good volume and get a really good markup being on a hub right next to low sec and 0.0. Enough to make it worth your while over a super high volume area like Jita. You do want to get your production and market skills up to maximize your profits.


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