According to the EULA, what is real life harassment? Having a hard time finding the definition. Is it out of client simply?

Ingame clearly isn't. Are the forums real life? Ingame voice chat? Your personal teamspeak?

Just curious. If its out of client (teamspeak) for example, are blogs, websites, etc. that say scammers use (like for fake api references) real life harassment now?

You do yourselves a disservice by breaking rules to try to prove you aren't breaking rules. There is a thread already for this. IB4L.

A disservice? Ha. Thats a good one.

Forum rules, as currently enforced, are a joke.

It more or less boils down to "Hmmm, this thread conforms to the rules.......but we just don't like it. Call it a troll, lock."

Kind of the forum equivalent of what happened to those perma-banned recently, except with higher stakes.

So, OP - good on you. Give em all the respect they've earned - that is, none at all.

Oh, and for the second time, IBTL.

I actually agree with you. But here's the thing, one dude trolling the forums won't make a difference.

In 2011, the players made a difference.

If I don't see the possibility of any difference made, then I've literally got no reason to get behind what is, essentially, a tantrum.

I tried offering the players a way to make a difference the last time this happened, and I won't be taking the lead again. Instead, I'll just keep playing and laughing at the tantrums while I destroy newbs and carebears, completely within the bounds of the rules of the game, and see how many people I can get to quit.

There's literally nothing better to do right now, IMO.

I actually agree with you. But here's the thing, one dude trolling the forums won't make a difference.

In 2011, the players made a difference.

If I don't see the possibility of any difference made, then I've literally got no reason to get behind what is, essentially, a tantrum.

I tried offering the players a way to make a difference the last time this happened, and I won't be taking the lead again. Instead, I'll just keep playing and laughing at the tantrums while I destroy newbs and carebears, completely within the bounds of the rules of the game, and see how many people I can get to quit.

There's literally nothing better to do right now, IMO.

What we are looking at ultimately is the different between activism and resistance.

CCP judges things on a case by case or petition by petition basis.

As was told to me by a CSM in these very forums (and made me even question how entire nations are run) re the IZ case, if it was clearly and precisely laid out what harassment was, then some players are going to make circumventing and lawyering over it their entire game, complete with "the art of lawfare" and word games. As such when you create a system that attempts to protect people but tries to define every little nook and cranny, dubious people will game it to death. The United States Constitution and how we ended up with law books thicker than the phone book and everybody is a criminal anyway if a cop tailgates them long enough is a good example of how a system can be gamed to death.

So don't go looking for a clear definition. There won't be one.

And that's a good thing.

You will report out-of-game issues regarding harassment, such as threatening phone calls or correspondence, to your local law enforcement officials or Internet provider. CCP will not reveal personal information about its subscribers to unauthorized individuals. We are not responsible for actions taken by our subscribers that occur outside the jurisdiction of our game servers or web site.

Good luck, but they won't tell you. You have to keep guessing where the invisible line is, and it changes based on how hard someone cries.

If you're looking to find the line for yourself; stop playing. Humanity and its society doesn't need you, and this game doesn't either.

If you feel harassed; file a petition. Try to supply logs or as much data as you can. And don't be a baby and leave out the context.

So... goodbye or goodluck

i thought it changed based on # of blog followers?

According to the EULA, what is real life harassment?

According to the EULA, what is real life harassment? Having a hard time finding the definition. Is it out of client simply?

Ingame clearly isn't. Are the forums real life? Ingame voice chat? Your personal teamspeak?

Just curious. If its out of client (teamspeak) for example, are blogs, websites, etc. that say scammers use (like for fake api references) real life harassment now?

If someone is using third party resources to scam you in game, that doesn't cause you real life harm in any way, shape or form. And in a game where third party resources are integral to the experience (they don't call it spreadsheets in space for nothing, sugarplum), they don't actually exit the magic circle in any other way.

About 8-10 people just got blanket permabanned for scamming people using teamspeak related to isk doubling, etc.

reason: "real life harassment"

Griefer tears because there's a line somewhere they can't cross.
No sympathy for you guys who get off on bullying.
Yes, Eve is a sandbox, but normal people realize there's a limit. Those who don't get that got banned, and Eve is a better place for it.

According to the EULA, what is real life harassment? Having a hard time finding the definition. Is it out of client simply?

Ingame clearly isn't. Are the forums real life? Ingame voice chat? Your personal teamspeak?

Just curious. If its out of client (teamspeak) for example, are blogs, websites, etc. that say scammers use (like for fake api references) real life harassment now?