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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:43:00 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:I honestly thought you were just ******* around or trolling before. Now I know you're an idiot. Toxic? Nah, we've got no one like you around to make it so.
Please don't derail good posting, there aren't enough threads providing positive and constructive content on the forums like this one. We have enough whining and bitching going on elsewhere, kindly go there if that's your thing. Case in point. Errr what? =][= |

Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4881
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:43:00 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:I honestly thought you were just ******* around or trolling before. Now I know you're an idiot. Toxic? Nah, we've got no one like you around to make it so.
Please don't derail good posting, there aren't enough threads providing positive and constructive content on the forums like this one. We have enough whining and bitching going on elsewhere, kindly go there if that's your thing. Case in point.
You're starting to sound jealous now. Instead of being incredibly undesirable by way of pissiness on a thread that was pissiness-free until you showed up, maybe try making some friends? GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |

Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
328
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:43:00 -
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Charax Bouclier wrote:
What is the biggest thing you can do to increase loyalty amongst the corporate ranks?
I believe I may be able to answer that question.
1) create content
and
2) give them responsibility
I'll spare you the history of that but let me assure you if you don't do those two things then your corp will fail.
I ran a successful corp from 2007 for about 5 years. We started out with.... I think... 5 guys with no clue AT ALL about EVE and grew to a corp of 100 men/women who made a successful stint in nullsec. We were in IAC, Bionic Dawn, B.L.A.C.K., Sc0rched Earth... in which we were their main FC's.... Dead Terrorists, Systematic Chaos, and a few "pet" alliances. We fought in every major nullsec war from 2007 to 2011. We were in 6VDT, we were in Asakai. We were in Tribute when the NC made their last stand. We helped take Feythabolis and then lose it again. etc etc etc.
That's creating content.
Part of that is who you know but part of it is proving over and over again that you are worthy. Proving you are worthy will grow your network. Having a network in this game is as important as it is in real life. There came a point where when we needed a new gig, it was a question of making some calls..... This is the point you want to get to.
On the second point.... people need to feel important. It doesn't even really matter if you're asking them to scout moons or to FC alliance fleets..... You have to ask them to do *something* that assists the corp. As soon as people believe that their acttions help/benefit others, then they will be engaged. If all you do is ask people to sit around waiting for something to happen then they will leave and look elsewhere.
Content
and
Responsibility
Remember those two words.
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4881
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:44:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Ria Nieyli wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:I honestly thought you were just ******* around or trolling before. Now I know you're an idiot. Toxic? Nah, we've got no one like you around to make it so.
Please don't derail good posting, there aren't enough threads providing positive and constructive content on the forums like this one. We have enough whining and bitching going on elsewhere, kindly go there if that's your thing. Case in point. Errr what?
I didn't get it either. I'm putting this one down to intentional derailment and/or attention seeking. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24524
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:45:00 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:players DO NOT PROVIDE CONTENT. Sure they do. Almost all of it, actually.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |

Ria Nieyli
20436
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:46:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Ria Nieyli wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:I honestly thought you were just ******* around or trolling before. Now I know you're an idiot. Toxic? Nah, we've got no one like you around to make it so.
Please don't derail good posting, there aren't enough threads providing positive and constructive content on the forums like this one. We have enough whining and bitching going on elsewhere, kindly go there if that's your thing. Case in point. You're starting to sound jealous now. Instead of being incredibly undesirable by way of pissiness on a thread that was pissiness-free until you showed up, maybe try making some friends?
Projection much? And all roads lead to Tranquility Base, where the frown on my face disappears... |

Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4882
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:48:00 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Ria Nieyli wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:I honestly thought you were just ******* around or trolling before. Now I know you're an idiot. Toxic? Nah, we've got no one like you around to make it so.
Please don't derail good posting, there aren't enough threads providing positive and constructive content on the forums like this one. We have enough whining and bitching going on elsewhere, kindly go there if that's your thing. Case in point. You're starting to sound jealous now. Instead of being incredibly undesirable by way of pissiness on a thread that was pissiness-free until you showed up, maybe try making some friends? Projection much?
HAH!! Oh my goodness the irony is indeed strong with you, isn't it.
I don't know why you're so angry, who or what you're angry at, and I don't care. It's your problem, not mine, but even so, I'm not without sympathy for your ailment. Can I suggest eating some bacon? Bacon solves everything. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |

Ria Nieyli
20436
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:50:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Ria Nieyli wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Ria Nieyli wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:I honestly thought you were just ******* around or trolling before. Now I know you're an idiot. Toxic? Nah, we've got no one like you around to make it so.
Please don't derail good posting, there aren't enough threads providing positive and constructive content on the forums like this one. We have enough whining and bitching going on elsewhere, kindly go there if that's your thing. Case in point. You're starting to sound jealous now. Instead of being incredibly undesirable by way of pissiness on a thread that was pissiness-free until you showed up, maybe try making some friends? Projection much? HAH!! Oh my goodness the irony is indeed strong with you, isn't it. I don't know why you're so angry, who or what you're angry at, and I don't care. It's your problem, not mine, but even so, I'm not without sympathy for your ailment. Can I suggest eating some bacon? Bacon solves everything.
I'm muslim. And all roads lead to Tranquility Base, where the frown on my face disappears... |

Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4882
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:51:00 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:
I'm muslim.
It's okay, nobody's perfect. Bacon will probably solve that too. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |

Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4824
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:51:00 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Ria Nieyli wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:I honestly thought you were just ******* around or trolling before. Now I know you're an idiot. Toxic? Nah, we've got no one like you around to make it so.
Please don't derail good posting, there aren't enough threads providing positive and constructive content on the forums like this one. We have enough whining and bitching going on elsewhere, kindly go there if that's your thing. Case in point. You're starting to sound jealous now. Instead of being incredibly undesirable by way of pissiness on a thread that was pissiness-free until you showed up, maybe try making some friends? Projection much? you do realise outside of the echo chamber of the "get likes" thread you actually need to articulate things rather than paw at the keys =][= |

Ria Nieyli
20436
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:53:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Ria Nieyli wrote:
I'm muslim.
It's okay, nobody's perfect. Bacon will probably solve that too.
vOv
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:you do realise outside of the echo chamber of the "get likes" thread you actually need to articulate things rather than paw at the keys
I don't know, Remi Gaillard here seemed to understand me perfectly fine. And all roads lead to Tranquility Base, where the frown on my face disappears... |

Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4882
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:54:00 -
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Ria, here's the thing.
If you consider me and my friends enjoying the game, having fun, laughing A LOT, like, all the time at virtually everything, to be toxic, then I legitimately feel for you. I do, I hope things in your life get better soon.
If you fail to understand how players can and do create a lot of the content in this game though, that one's on you and your own ignorance.
If you ARE just trolling though.... the GG, well played. But why this thread?  GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |

Gakky Crendraven
Tactical Combat Gaming Bleak Horizon Alliance.
0
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:57:00 -
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Charax Bouclier wrote: I love Tim Hortons coffee
Large Regular or Double Double?
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Charax Bouclier
Emerald Drama Theatrics
81
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Posted - 2014.09.11 17:23:00 -
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Gakky Crendraven wrote:Charax Bouclier wrote: I love Tim Hortons coffee Large Regular or Double Double?
Large with 1 milk, 1 sugar.
They introduced a new blend (dark roast)...the first one in 50 years, but unfortunately, it wasn't my cup of tea. |

Gakky Crendraven
Tactical Combat Gaming Bleak Horizon Alliance.
0
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Posted - 2014.09.11 18:07:00 -
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Yeah, it's a 6AM kind of coffee. |

Josef Djugashvilis
2507
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Posted - 2014.09.11 18:28:00 -
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Only allow you and your alts into your corp.
Give them no access to any position of power or access to anything valuable.
Go on a corp op and kill them all.
That should do it.
So long as you are loyal to yourself. This is not a signature. |

Steppa Musana
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
39
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Posted - 2014.09.11 18:55:00 -
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Getting into rough situations with each other and then trying to get out of said rough situations is a great way to build loyalty.
One of our corpies once made the idiotic decision of jumping into a WH to chase down a small Tengu gang, in the hopes of... well, who knows what he was hoping. They found him and bubbled the exits, trapping him inside.
Of course there was only one thing left to do: Fleet up, jump in, and save his ass.
We managed to pull out of the bubbles and warped to a safe. The hostile gang eventually dropped down on us in our safe; we did not realize just how fast they could scan. Naturally, as a high-sec PVE corp, we all died.
So here we are in a WH with 5-6 pods and a frig for scanning, warping between safes for a good 45 minutes as we tried to figure out how to get out in one piece. In hindsight, we got real lucky they didn't bubble us in the safe too. We ended up safe logging, and had the scout stay online to relay us information through mumble.
Near the usual dead hours of EVE - which was about 2AM for most of us - our scout returned from being AFK and realized the hostile corp had logged off. Pings were sent out, and we went as far as literally waking up one of our members so he could get out safely.
Once we did, we realized we were all online together again, fleeted up, wives asleep. And so we did the only sane thing: jumped into frigs and headed out for a low-sec roam. It was our 3rd time ever trying something like this. We found a small Brick Squad fleet; Proteus, Gnosis, Hookbill and tried dropping on them. And of course, we died instantly.
It was one of those experiences none of us will ever forget. We were all PVE players, noobs to PVP, and typically were reluctant to engage other players. Shortly after this experience, our CEO and some other members got tired of EVE and our corp closed down. We started up a chat channel to keep in touch. It's now 1 year later - perhaps more - and all of us from that roam are still active in the channel, helping each other when needed and hitting up the occasional roam too. While we've all moved on to our own little separate careers within EVE, there is a bond there that will last a very long time. The trust is so deep, we've gone as far as lending eachother Jump Freighters and pricey BPOs.
Apologies for another round of my storytelling, I should just start a blog or something  |

Absolutely Not Analt
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
102
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Posted - 2014.09.11 19:03:00 -
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Gakky Crendraven wrote:Charax Bouclier wrote: I love Tim Hortons coffee Large Regular or Double Double?
Triple Triple. Do they even make any other kinds? Eve is a multi player game.-áAnd you are the content. - Ralph King-Griffin Being meh at two things is not better than being great at one. - Lugh Crow-Slave
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Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
47228
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Posted - 2014.09.11 19:13:00 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:All corp members are my alts. Loyalty 100%  Until one of them awoxes you.
Admittedly, I already noticed that every time I check the corp wallet with my alts, I get that greedy look in my eyes. It's probably only a matter of time until I run away with my own stuff....
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
6386
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Posted - 2014.09.11 19:54:00 -
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Tippia wrote:With swift kicks to the groin. /note to self: Never apply to Sunshine and Lollipops corp. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
935
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Posted - 2014.09.11 20:01:00 -
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I honestly don't do anything. I recruit people, well I did kinda on a break from growing my corp, I play the game, I help them out, I tend to not delegate much (which i'm working on). I tend to tell anyone who whines about no pvp to 'get off your ass and lead a fleet, I don't pvp'. And i'm usually nice... and patient, until you **** me off. It just takes a while.
I get 3 results this way.
1) someone joins, gets bored in a month and bounces
2) someone joins, hangs around for a year or two, then moves on to another corp... only to randomly pm me a few years later suprized my dumbass is still here, and saying they have fond memories of playing with me and may rejoin
3) never bloody leave.
Treat people with respect, allow them to play their way, don't rip them off, and they stick around. If I ran fleets and pvp'd more, i'd prolly have a huge corp. But I suck at it so meh. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331766 |

Grog Aftermath
Need more grog
103
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Posted - 2014.09.11 20:32:00 -
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Charax Bouclier wrote: What is the biggest thing you can do to increase loyalty amongst the corporate ranks?
Nothing, even friends aren't loyal when it suits them.
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4450
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Posted - 2014.09.11 20:39:00 -
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Charax Bouclier wrote:In another MMO, I would make a "QotD" (Question of the Day) simply to fascilitate community discussion on a topic that might interest them.
....
Now that we have that preface out of the way, let's get on with today's question:
What is the biggest thing you can do to increase loyalty amongst the corporate ranks?
Luckily this ain't another MMO, so bye.
Also, if you think that you can buy or in any way influence how loyal people are towards you, you have a very very wrong idea about loyalty and I wouldn't be surprised if NOBODY is loyal to you, because you don't deserve it. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |

Yarda Black
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
423
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Posted - 2014.09.11 20:47:00 -
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Lemme slam some interesting stuff in here about fraternities (like college ones for example)
1. Difficult access decreases the chance of departure
2. The creation of "us vs group A, B or "the rest" acts as cement
3. The creation of shared experiences acts as justification
These three have been documented to create loyalty to a certain group. Strong leaderships creates a vocal-point
This thread delivers in my opinion. I think you're good to go after some brainstorming
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1529
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Posted - 2014.09.11 21:58:00 -
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The beatings will continue until morale improves.
The thing about this signature is that by the time you realise it doesn't say anything interesting or clever you're almost done reading it anyway. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á - Abraham Lincoln
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6981
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Posted - 2014.09.11 21:59:00 -
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Hire only RL friends and family "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2160

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Posted - 2014.09.11 22:34:00 -
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Thread temporarily locked for some cleaning. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2160

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Posted - 2014.09.11 23:05:00 -
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Charax Bouclier wrote:When my fellows are out on a roam, we can scoff at everyone else for drinking Starbucks or McDonalds McCafe. These are my initial thoughts on the matter. What do you think is the most important thing to create loyalty? Well, for starters, make a decent cup of coffee for them. Nothing beats a home made brew from freshly ground Arabica with some Mocca beans tossed in, steaming hot in a large mug. Black of course. 
That said, I have removed a rule breaking post and those quoting it.
The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.
5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
Thread re-opened. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Vyl Vit
753
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Posted - 2014.09.11 23:10:00 -
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1.) Accept the fact some people aren't loyal, not even to themselves.
2.) People who can be loyal will be loyal to those who are loyal to them.
3.) Trying to force people to do things against their principles won't help.
4.) Above all, people should be better off with you than they were without you. Anyone with any sense has already left town. |

Evelyn Meiyi
Corvidae Trading and Holding
178
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Posted - 2014.09.11 23:26:00 -
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Charax Bouclier wrote:In another MMO, I would make a "QotD" (Question of the Day) simply to fascilitate community discussion on a topic that might interest them. Unfortunately, sometimes people would misconstrue my intent and the thread would burn out in a fireball of trolling. I think I have learned my lessons from that experience, and with the fine guidance of ISD, I think we can avoid these pitfalls.
Now that we have that preface out of the way, let's get on with today's question:
What is the biggest thing you can do to increase loyalty amongst the corporate ranks?
From my initial review of EVE, it seems that high loyalty corporations choose their recruits very carefully. They want to make sure they share a bond...a brotherhood of sorts...to create this conception of "US vs ALL OF THEM".
Brilliant, really. When I set up my own corporation, I might consider doing something similar. For example, I love Tim Hortons coffee. I don't know if I would trust someone else that didn't share my tastes, so I don't think I would invite them into my corporation unless they posted on a Tim Hortons fan site.
When my fellows are out on a roam, we can scoff at everyone else for drinking Starbucks or McDonalds McCafe.
These are my initial thoughts on the matter. What do you think is the most important thing to create loyalty?
If you read the Art of War, Sun Tzu's thoughts on loyalty are quite clear:
Quote:When the men are punished before their loyalty is secured, they will be rebellious and disobedient. If disobedient and rebellious, it is difficult to deploy them. When the loyalty of the men is secured, but punishments are not enforced, such troops cannot be used either. Thus, the general must be able to instruct his troops with civility and humanity and unite them with rigorous training and discipline so as to secure victories in battles. When orders are regularly enforce and used to train the soldiers, they will be obedient. When orders are not regularly enforced nor used to train the soldiers, they will not be obedient. When orders are regularly enforced, it is because of the mutual trust and confidence between the commander and his men.Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/398507
In brief, 'do unto others' is a major factor of effective leadership: if you're an egomaniac, your employees will resent you. If you're an autocrat, they'll stop listening to you. If you apply discipline unevenly, they'll bicker amongst themselves (the so-called 'Dungeon Master's Girlfriend' scenario).
Basically, if you expect people to follow you, the first question you need to ask is 'why should they follow me?'. If the only answers you can come up with are self-serving or ego-stroking, you need to reexamine your suitability for leadership. |
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