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Khermes
Thrashers Unlimited
Anti Supercapital Movement
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Posted - 2014.09.13 07:23:00 -
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So pirate faction ships have come in several varieties, frigs, cruisers, battleship (and even a carrier), but no battle cruisers? What's up with that? Any reason we don't have pirate battle cruisers to fly in the game? |
Tollen Gallen
Glory of Reprisal Enterprise
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Posted - 2014.09.13 07:24:00 -
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I like Missiles.
Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap.
Your old Friends can use me for 7 days, free!!! |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
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Posted - 2014.09.13 07:30:00 -
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No. I love battlecruisers. 
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KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
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Posted - 2014.09.13 07:34:00 -
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SoonGäó*
*According to Google Translate, From English to CCP Doublespeak:
NeverGäó
 
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. |
Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2014.09.13 09:10:00 -
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Combat Battle cruisers need little bit more tweaking I feel before we should get the Pirate version of them
Psychotic Monk for CSM9
Scipio Artelius: I find your continued optimism for the outcome of the CSM vote endearing |
Yarda Black
Militaris Industries
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2014.09.13 09:27:00 -
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NPC's used to have BC's (Ferox, Cyclone etc). Now they only have ships that behave like them. Poor NPC's.... |
Baronvonchickenpants
Boob Heads
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2014.09.13 09:28:00 -
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No, but CCP does. |
Vyl Vit
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Posted - 2014.09.13 12:13:00 -
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I like missiles, too.
Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
WASPY69
Hard Knocks Inc.
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Posted - 2014.09.13 14:16:00 -
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For the same reason we don't have Heavy Assault Battlecruisers (one would argue that Command ships kinda fill this role per say) or Logistics and Ewar battlecruisers?
Battlecruisers are to cruisers, what Destroyers are to Frigates. They are kind of a middle ground between Cruisers and Battleships fitting wise.
Battlecruisers are designed to fit medium weaponry and cruiser sized tank just as destroyers are designed to fit frigate sized mods.
We already have a pirate class ship to utilize every size module. For example:
- Cruor = small sized energy drain modules
- Ashimmu = medium sized energy drain modules
- Bhaalgorn = Large sized energy drain modules
And the same goes for Sansha, Succubus = 1mn, Phantasm = 10mn, Nightmare = 100mn, etc...
Point being there is no module size between medium and large, and creating a whole new ship lineup that accomplishes essentially the same exact thing as their cruiser variant would be redundant.
This is why we don't have pirate destroyers either.
The design decision from CCP might be something entirely different from the above, but it would be my best guess. |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
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Posted - 2014.09.13 14:23:00 -
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Actually the real reason we don't have pirate battlecruisers is the same reason we don't have pirate destroyers. CCP hasn't made them yet.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
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Posted - 2014.09.13 14:24:00 -
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I think the lore reason is that battlecruisers are a relatively recent innovation, and most of the pirate groups mostly use older technology.
Why this applies to the Guristas, I don't know.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2014.09.13 14:27:00 -
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I really like the Myrmidon and I really like pirate faction ships.
If CCP managed to combine the two, I would personally go to the next fanfest and knob gobble the entire dev team.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Pine Marten
Kenshin Katana.
Northern Associates.
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Posted - 2014.09.13 17:56:00 -
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Mr Epeen .... knob gobble the entire dev team.
Mr Epeen [:8) wrote:
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Pro TIps
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.09.13 19:01:00 -
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Sails are not widely-available in the proper size to propel a battlecruiser. Therefore, pirates stick to standard vessel sizes.
HTH, HAND. |
letmepost Parmala
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.09.13 19:17:00 -
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Confirming Battlecruisers need more love.
Pirates BC sounds awesome. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
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Posted - 2014.09.13 19:17:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I think the lore reason is that battlecruisers are a relatively recent innovation, and most of the pirate groups mostly use older technology.
Why this applies to the Guristas, I don't know.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
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Posted - 2014.09.13 20:17:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I think the lore reason is that battlecruisers are a relatively recent innovation, and most of the pirate groups mostly use older technology.
Why this applies to the Guristas, I don't know.
Could be something as simple as not having the logistic to keep up with more ship design in production. They are using souped up technology from different faction and most likely don't have the manpower, R/D, production base or whatever to bring more ship class. |
BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
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Posted - 2014.09.13 20:44:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:I really like the Myrmidon and I really like pirate faction ships. If CCP managed to combine the two, I would personally go to the next fanfest and knob gobble the entire dev team. Mr Epeen
That's a lot of throat yogurt.
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
Disturbed Acquaintance
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Posted - 2014.09.13 21:58:00 -
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only if they are still attached
then it's merely just cannibilism |
Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
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Posted - 2014.09.14 00:17:00 -
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I rarely try to say anything intelligent, since as a straight-up murder-spewing laser user thinking rarely comes into anything for me. But, this battle cruiser issue has always grabbed my attention. Why, for instance, is there no T2 straight up battle cruiser? Sure, you get the command ship, but a command ship could just as easily be a stand-alone specialized frame - such are mining vessels, or cargo carriers. Corralling the battle cruiser to fill a support role just defies its intent as a vessel.
"Battle" cruisers are meant to go into a field and just own period. They're meant to negate cruisers, destroyers, and turn frigates into flocks of canaries. Against a group of say...three or more (to be fair to someone's vanity) a battleship has no hope. Sure, I imagine a T2 Harby and drool all over myself. It would tilt the battlefield on its edge. (You Minmatar can be happy with the thought of a T2 Hurricane. After all, there is the premium brand of duct tape, right?)
(As an aside. I thought it was hilarious the first mention of fittings gets an energy drain and an engine - you're good to go. Just pull up to your victim, drain his cap, you win! Why DO we bother with all these guns, and missiles and drones?)
Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to. |
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Solj RichPopolous
Mentally Assured Destruction
The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2014.09.14 05:47:00 -
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BCs are a waste of a ship class. I would however enjoy killing these should they ever be created. |
WASPY69
Hard Knocks Inc.
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Posted - 2014.09.14 10:41:00 -
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Pok Nibin wrote:I rarely try to say anything intelligent
Well I think you removed all doubt with your post. It made no sense.
The mentioning of energy drain mods and afterburners was due to the fact that they can be put into categories where it's common to use the "right" size mod for the given hull. What the actual fit is has nothing to do with my point.
Also, you seem to have very little experience flying battlecruisers in pvp. They don't "own" just because they're a battlecruiser. The glory days of the solo battlecruiser are pretty much over since cruisers got a major buff.So your statement that they "negate cruisers" is just cringe worthy.
Furthermore, a T2 Harby, as you seem to praise in your post, is indeed a sexy beast and I used to fly them all the time, I love that ship, hell... I even survived Asakai in one.
But if you don't have a web or neut fitted on your Harby and a simple frigate manages to get a tight orbit on you, you can kiss your purty ship goodbye (assuming he manages to kill your drones, which is more than likely).
And as for a battleship, it can EASILY solo a small gang of battlecruisers if properly tanked. A triple rep Hyperion, or dual XLASB navy scorpion, or a properly fit Machariel etc...
You should fit up a few Harbingers and go look for some pew, and you will see that they're not invincible killing machines. |
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