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Chochko Black Omega Security E.R.A	Posted - 2006.08.02 08:26:00 - [1] I Was playing shortly in the beta than joined again 1 year and something before today. :) This part of the forum hooked me for EVE-Online. The forums and the community of EVE is the best ever ever. In my long expirience in Online games, there was no such place with politics, that change the whole map and the gameplay of so much people. But - the big but, now this place makes me sick. There was one positive thing and that was - anti alt posting rule (very good deceison made by moderation team). I want to suggest to everyone before posting general crap to look just 50 or 100 pages back in this section and to learn something (just ignore the alts :) ). This course in which this forum moves will not bring good, only bitter taste. P.S. English is not my primary language - this is for the spellcheckers. I hope you will catch the spirit of my words :D ---------------------------------------- Ancient Japanese saying: The one who owns the minigun, fears not!
Yorda	Posted - 2006.08.02 10:01:00 - [2] Edited by: Yorda on 02/08/2006 10:06:07 I agree with you. Some part of me always wanted this forum to be played "quasi-in-character" but it seems more to be a vehicle for off topic posting, chest-beating, and boring statements with little substance such as ôglö or ôur gunna die.ö I guess it cannot be helped unless the majority of this subforums users change their mind on how we should use this place. But I am not too hopeful. People are slow to change after all. I am sure some people rather enjoy its current nature. Heck I even posted a satire thread in protest of how fowl this place has become because it made me laugh but I am sure some of my corp mates are very upset with me making yet another post here. It is pretty strange that any game forum can be so closely tied with in-game interaction. The game is heavily moderated by rules and regulations we all have to follow (like having an isk limit or skill points!) but it is the out of game forum that is more lawless than 0.0 space. This forum is a more powerful tool for changing in-game interaction that even in game interaction itself and I find that mildly annoying from a players prespective. IE, there should be greater tools to create influence in game rather than leaving it all to out of game devices such as these forums. Where are our user made concord billboard commercials? In game news networks? Datafeeds about conflicts or rapidly changing market trends (edit no regional price history doesn't count!) Not in game? Why not? etc etc... If I don't get trolled here I will be impressed. Alexandrov Soviet Army Ensemble.mp3
Nova Strikes STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.02 10:16:00 - [3] Ye as the only link to the world of Eve i have its not that great :/ The forums have been going down hill for awhile now, theres no real intersting politics left on them, its all done in game. No interesting people on the forums...there all in game. What is the point? I would like to think tho that the Eve community itself isnt going down hill. Everything here is just rabble rabble rabble these days
Pergly GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.08.02 10:21:00 - [4] Because this part of the forum is for the part of eve that is about power and domination, it brings out the worst in people. I think it's as simple as that. (And before I get flamed for being a goon - yes, most goons posting in this forum-section isn't excempt from my above statement.)
Yorda Minmatar GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.08.02 10:21:00 - [5] Originally by: Yorda snip I suggest you take a closer look on the rules and then post with your corporation and/or alliance status ticker shown. -Ivan K I felt that was a decent post... So discussion about this forum is not permitted on this forum? Alexandrov Soviet Army Ensemble.mp3
Chochko Black Omega Security E.R.A	Posted - 2006.08.02 10:34:00 - [6] I`m interested in the opinion of the forum moderators too, what they think for this forum year before this moment and now. In comparsion i think forums before >> forums now (from week or so). We all can learn from past forum wars, especialy newer players like me. ---------------------------------------- Ancient Japanese saying: The one who owns the minigun, fears not!

Ivan Kirilenkov Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.08.02 10:44:00 - [7] As the rules clearly states, posts in this forum from a character without a corporation and/or alliance ticker shown will be deleted. If you wish to discuss this with us, please feel free to mail us on [email protected]

Yorda Minmatar GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.08.02 10:46:00 - [8] Please don't discuss moderation on the forums, but mail us on [email protected] instead. -Ivan K Alexandrov Soviet Army Ensemble.mp3
Louis DelaBlanche Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.02 11:00:00 - [9] I think its a shame that the discussion forum has become hijacked by the multitude of alts & flaming/trolling newbs (no names need mentioning). It seems all posts now will sooner or later become swamped with flaming & smack that just doesnt add anything constructive & means those with something useful to say are drowned out in the masses of snip My hope is that the increase, or at least the recent increase, in all this is due to the hostilities in the North & East. I say this as it appears whenever someone from one of these alliances says something, it attracts often off topic smack from alts of or lesser members of the opposing alliances. Shame really as it seems either ppl are taking the conflicts too seriously (in a rl sense), or their idea of fun is to be a prat. Well im glad i got that off my chest. darn alts making me waffle on Please avoid trying to evade the profanity-filter. -Ivan K _______________________________________________ The above comments & views do not reflect the opinions of Cosmic Odyssey or Chorus of Dawn; just those of an enlightened member
DANGEROUS Fate. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.02 11:07:00 - [10] the RECENT problem in my opinion is that the NEW entity of the goons are people who IRL LIVE on a forum. i do feel very sorry for them tbh, i mean we could be called sad by irl people who dont understand how involving the ENVIRONMENT of eve is, but this lot are in an inferior class all of their own. O well - - hopefully they will get bored of being podded SO much and disappear back to where they came.

Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.08.02 11:11:00 - [11] Edited by: Sarmaul on 02/08/2006 11:12:23 Personally, I think that all corp and alliance announcements/wars should be made to go into the Summit where people are forced to keep in character. This forum would be left for OOC discussions about various corps and alliances, the history of the game, the numerous "top 10" threads etc. While you're at it, unban Jade. Edit: And make posting spam threads in this forum result in much stronger warnings/bans TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Irimi Nage Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.02 14:23:00 - [12] I imagine most people do what I do and ignore pretty much everything that's not posted by certain people (from all sides) who you know don't get involved in all the crap. It's annoying to see people trying to score petty points against each other ad nausium. As the OP says, it's sickening to read the state of the forums now and not just because of the goons, it has been steadily going downhill since corps and alliances started trying to stop people posting, which drew them into the alt posting thing, and stuff started getting stupid. The thing that annoys me the most at the moment is people posting just to agree with someone, or posting the exact same argument as someone else. Spamming something doesn't make it more true/false, nor does it make anyone more inclined to pay attention, it just drowns the message out in a sea of random noise. I just wish people would stop the crap and think before they post. Most posts these days seem aimed at convincing someone's own people of the propaganda, not trying to correct mistaken facts posted by others. The lengths people go to with their T12 tin foil hats to explain things is just screwed. I'd like to draw EVERYONE'S attention to something... Occam's Razor - entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem. Translation: Don't multiply something more than you need to. Extra Translation: The simplest explination, is most likely true. I mean, do people really think all these elaborate political tricks need to be carried out, when most likely all that's needed is for someone to say "shoot"? Think guys. Think. ---
Alexi Kalashnikov Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.08.02 16:23:00 - [13] I guess I really only have one suggestion: Make a forum that, while publicly viewable, can only be posted in by CEOs and appointed political representatives of a specific alliance/corporation. The Alliances/Corporations discussion forum would stay, but it would be general talk about any corp/alliance. The real politics would happen in this private-posting forum, which stops the alts/corp-members from wreaking havoc, flaming and the like. This would be the most ideal situation because it would re-instate the long-needed political forum for the EVE universe.

Abdalion Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.08.02 17:21:00 - [14] Here is the best suggestion: Don't feed the trolls. ___

Liu Kaskakka PAK	Posted - 2006.08.02 18:51:00 - [15] It's coz a lot of the interesting posters are banned/can't be bothered anymore/left the game, and all we got in exchange was goontards. King Liu is RIGHT!!
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.02 19:01:00 - [16] UNBAN JADE PLEASE THANKS!
Alexi Kalashnikov Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.08.02 19:02:00 - [17] Originally by: Liu Kaskakka It's coz a lot of the interesting posters are banned/can't be bothered anymore/left the game, and all we got in exchange was goontards. Please don't start this Liu. I would like good, clean discussion here.
Black Torment Caldari White Wolves Defence league E.R.A	Posted - 2006.08.02 19:26:00 - [18] Originally by: Abdalion Here is the best suggestion: Don't feed the trolls. Thats the problem, in this forum, the trolls feed each other :(
HatePeace LoveWar Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.02 21:09:00 - [19] This forum use to be fun. Now i think a lot of people ignore it because their incapable of understanding the difference between someone disagreeing with you and insulting you. http://members.lycos.co.uk/snailbrain/hateme.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Karunel Nuevos Horizontes	Posted - 2006.08.02 21:54:00 - [20] Edited by: Karunel on 02/08/2006 21:54:05 Well a lot of "old school" posters got banned because of repeated warnings and the like and the increasing presence of alts slowly got on everyone's nerves until everyone pretty much gave up on having meaningful discussion on here- now that there're no alts allowed there may be a good time ahead for this forum, but un-banning some notorious indidivuals would help. Oh and BTW this board was crap long before the goons arrived so don't mix things up.

Halseth Durn Amarr Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.08.03 17:30:00 - [21] This forum was once a stage where the drama of 0.0 life unfolded for all to see. Player empires presented their side of their conflicts with their own personal flair and style (varying levels of RP) and the words could actually sway public opinion. It enriched the community in no way that CCP ever could with sad little tales of clerics getting married ect, ect. Unfortunatly, no one is buying interesting drama anymore and public opinion now holds the same value as an indy full of trit. Such is the way of this evolving addiction. Funny how the mechanics of eve have improved while the emersion has shallowed. Reguardless, it's still the best online game ever created. Free Jade.
crice Caldari CRICE Corporation Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.08.03 17:57:00 - [22] Originally by: Halseth Durn This forum was once a stage where the drama of 0.0 life unfolded for all to see. Player empires presented their side of their conflicts with their own personal flair and style (varying levels of RP) and the words could actually sway public opinion. It enriched the community in no way that CCP ever could with sad little tales of clerics getting married ect, ect. Unfortunatly, no one is buying interesting drama anymore and public opinion now holds the same value as an indy full of trit. Such is the way of this evolving addiction. Funny how the mechanics of eve have improved while the emersion has shallowed. Reguardless, it's still the best online game ever created. Free Jade. Well said you old fart. crice Quote: Ender Hawkins - Why would we have a corp in the chat that we are going to wipe off the face of EVE?
Tsanus Ilacante GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.08.03 18:14:00 - [23] Originally by: Chochko But - the big but, now this place makes me sick. There was one positive thing and that was - anti alt posting rule (very good deceison made by moderation team). The problem as far as I can see it is that it's verty close to real life politics. There are people on every side who are so utterly convinced they are right and the other side is wrong that not only will they never be swayed from their course, other people begin to believe it too. Valid points are easily, if not intentionally suppressed, just by the sheer amount of vitriol which will flow from one character to his opponent. This is the way of real life politics too. In the end it doesn't so much matter who was right, it simply matters who could say it the loudest with the most voices backing them up. It's a sad way to see it go but the only way to actually combat this is absolute "no-nonsense" moderating, IE threads are regularly locked and people forced to respond to questions / extreme moderation of any discussion. This is never going to work because not only would it require an extroadinary amount of attention and babysitting, nobody I know could actually be impartial enough to judge the discussions posted. Personally I quite like the idea of a forum restricted to specific characters from each alliance but I fear this wouldn't solve all problems. Please note i'm not attacking ANYONE at all with this, just because i'm in GS doesn't mean I have to hate our enemies, there's plenty of crap from our side too :)
Coran Ordus Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.03 20:14:00 - [24] I've noticed this forum is way better if you stop reading after the first page. Announcments are usually informative, or at least interesting. It's when people degenerate into yelling at each other that it grows tedious and pointless. That said, there was a lot of bad blood recently, but that seems to have settled down a bit. For laughs, I went back to the first 10-20 pages of this forum and read some posts. (Including a recruitment post from my corp, on the first page . Hope I end up doing the eve-ly departed proud). To be honest, there was a lot of smack going on then too. Accusations of cheap tactics, insults, etc. I'd advise taking a break and realizing most trolls are there specifically to annoy you. Laugh and ignore them (or even just roll your eyes and move on to the smart posts) and you win. This forum still has interesting insights into politics. Just try to remain polite and thoughtful yourself, set a standard. Maybe it'll help. Can't hurt. While I'm wishing, I'd like a pony too.
Logan Williams Fate. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.04 00:22:00 - [25] Originally by: Tsanus Ilacante Originally by: Chochko But - the big but, now this place makes me sick. There was one positive thing and that was - anti alt posting rule (very good deceison made by moderation team). The problem as far as I can see it is that it's verty close to real life politics. There are people on every side who are so utterly convinced they are right and the other side is wrong that not only will they never be swayed from their course, other people begin to believe it too. QFT!! After awhile, you become conditioned to your friends. The first corporation that "I" ever was in is, in some way, friendly to 3FA. Apparently, D2/3FA have some problems with each other or something. I've never gone head to head with 3FA but, if/when D2 ever decide to go to Syndicate to raid or something, I plan to evade the situation. A quirky misplaced loyalty thing? Maybe. In my eyes, honorable? Yes. My first 0.0 friends were anti [5] and BoB. Xetic were our friends and, at first, SE found a way out. (I still think the hauler was staged). [My first distaste of EvE....SE for leaving Xetic high and dry] After fighting for some time, ASCN formed from the ashes of Xetic. Their reason being "We're the only ones defending anyway." This may or may not have been a valid point but, after a week they declared Xetic KOS anyway. (Backstabbers in my point of view and my second distaste in EvE.) After awhile, you become shaped by your real life morals and characteristics. You CARE what happens in Eve. Everytime I ***** a thread it is in order to forward my personal views and draw friends to a "cause". Now, multiply me by every other nerd with a "cause". There is where the "decent" forums have gone. It DOES grow tiresome. While not wanting to isolate my friends, I get tired of fighting people that I've never bothered to sit and hold a decent conversation with. I'm afraid to go fly with them though because of my "causes". If you want decent forums and a decent game back look towards the event team and look towards the GMs. NPC's should take back their regions AND the surrounding non faction 0.0. Kick all of the player alliances out, and give us all something to fight...together. Outpots could be "kicked out" with the NPC doing the equivilent of reprocessing them and mailing back the minerals. In the shuffle, you might see pilots flying together who never would. New friendships forged and mixing and matching of more closely related ideals than "let's go take their space. We don't like them anyway and we want to be rich" Hell, even allow NPC factions to take on player characters and be led by event staff or by a mod or something. Granted Angel Cartel would hire me just to repeatedly pod me but, I think a but of forced roleplay would ROCK. Even if just until January. THERE's where and when your decent forums will come back. >I'm having a tender moment, even to the point of laying off of Cyvok/ASCN in the space where my sig normally would be<
Randay Band of Builders Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.04 00:54:00 - [26] sorry but this forum has always been nothing but a giant load of bs. thats what its here for. the no alts rule is good stuff though, thank god they decided to implement it. ------------------------------------------- Apparently the Swedish language is against the rules of the forums.
Phrixus Zephyr Singularity.	Posted - 2006.08.04 02:36:00 - [27] Originally by: DANGEROUS the RECENT problem in my opinion is that the NEW entity of the goons are people who IRL LIVE on a forum. i do feel very sorry for them tbh, i mean we could be called sad by irl people who dont understand how involving the ENVIRONMENT of eve is, but this lot are in an inferior class all of their own. O well - - hopefully they will get bored of being podded SO much and disappear back to where they came. Wow. Just wow, really. Who do you sound like... Go back past where goon's started posting and you'll see it's exactly the same as it is now. Goonswarm arn't the problem, alts were the problem and the moderators are trying to fix that. As for thread swamping, BoB used to do it all the time, then derail the thread with idle banter between themselves and noone said a god damn thing. Originally by: El Berto ...aparently being European makes me the spawn of Cthulhu.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.04 04:49:00 - [28] I have a feeling of remembering a more diverse set of topics here in the past. I think that the more that Eve has become a game of territory, resources, and assets; the more that the motivations for alliances actions are based on these mundane/material things. It's become less about ideology, and peoples 'rights'. There is less emotion invested, peoples motivations are more in-line with each others than they were in the past. When we started Eve, there was no such thing as dominant forces, everyone started at square one, and this forum was a free-for-all. If people had something to say about their corp, or who they were going after, or who had betrayed who.... it got spoken out on here. Everyone was still making a reputation, there was more fluidity in how things could change, more room to sway opinion. That began to change a little when the first major alliances began to sprout in 0.0 space, but in exchange we saw high level politics, really ground breaking stuff (if occasionally amateurish in implementation). You had huge forum personalities that were making their mark, people like Jade (free Jade btw, 2 years is long enough). Come to think of it... when was the last time we saw a great Eve ideology arguement/dialogue on these forums? It was often the thing of great threads, that carried over to in-game actions. If there is one thing I miss, it's the lesser known groups posting here and getting in the thick of it. Many alliances don't comment or make announcements here at all. It's a real shame, but I can't blame them... Somebody new puts up a first time topic about their small alliance, and some asshat is likely to immediately post 'who cares?' right after it. I always have a desire to pod those people who stifle the posters for new groups. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
ph33rf4ct0ry Minmatar Hookers From Mars	Posted - 2006.08.04 06:18:00 - [29] Maybe the reason we think back and believe this part of the forums was ever any good is because we canÆt remember yesterdayÆs trash. Since I first joined eve this is the place where you could always come and be misinformed. I do agree with the original poster on one account, lately this place is unbearable. I canÆt place the blame squarely on Goons shoulders because there are a lot of people feeding them but after trying to read any thread and seeing 3-8 goonsÆ post one after another often contradicting themselves ...blah. I agree no alt postÆs are a start maybe implementing a 3 strike policy for habitual trollers maybe just avoiding this part of the forums altogether. Member of the POST WITH YOUR MAIN SOCIETY


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