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Trigger Zo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.09.16 12:38:00 -
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Hey there my fellow capsuleers!
So i've some questions regarding PVP and FW. I have been a citizen of New Eden for the better part of a month now and i thought it neigh time i dipped my toes into some PVP action and i thought that trying out FW may be one of the better ways to do so.
I'm having trouble finding some good CHEAP! frigate fits that i can loose time and time again, i took a look on Battleclinic and many of the fits seemed to contain expensive T2 modules, is this really the only way to have any success in PVP? I'd just like to try it but i don't want to lose a 50mil isk ship in the process.
Could anyone suggest some cheap frigate PVP fits?
Also is my presumption that FW is the best way to start PVP'ing?
Any advice is greatly appreciated.
Cheers Trigger |

Azda Ja
BUMP POW
245
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Posted - 2014.09.16 12:57:00 -
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You can have success in low sec with extremely cheap fits. Granted, better mods are an advantage, but picking the right target can land you kills with frigates costing under 2 million. The key concept there is 'picking the right fight'. The only way to learn what the right fight is, by going out there and fighting (and losing), i.e experience.
Now when it comes to fits and such, I can send you a couple I used (and still use), but they're mostly Gallente frigates, I believe sharing fits is reserved for the Ships and Modules forum, so I'll send them privately if you want them.
Also, check this blog out for some great articles regarding PvP, especially low sec: http://www.evealtruist.com/p/article-index.html
Check out the new player guides first, and work your way up. There's a lot to take in but take your time, and digest that information as slowly as you need.
When it comes to FW, I'll let someone else answer that.
Good luck out there! Fly dangerously. o7 "I only lose ships when I fly with Azda." - Barry Cuttlefish |

L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
191
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Posted - 2014.09.16 12:57:00 -
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Assuming your idea of 'testing the water' does not include being a solo PVP monster:
No you don't need t2 guns.
Any t1 frigate with a point or scram, maybe a web and a MWD will put you in a useable ship for fleets and roams.
These are cheap cheap cheap.
Alternatives include the ewar t1 frigates which you can be effective in within about a day of skilling.
Join up with fleets and roams, get a taste for PVP etc while you get your skills up.
You can even get most of your player skills developed before your t2 guns finish training if your not afraid of losing your pixels in the process. Manual piloting, dscan, general navigation tricks in hostile space, how to approach a bigger target without being blapped etc. |

Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4935
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Posted - 2014.09.16 12:58:00 -
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hi again, hav a look at the fit in the op of this thread, its a tried and tested fit with our corp, obviously you can downscale anything you don't have the skills to go t2 on ,its a bit slow but you can swap the prop mod if you feel you have to. it really shines when fighting slow stuff much bigger than itself =]I[= |

Azda Ja
BUMP POW
247
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Posted - 2014.09.16 13:27:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:hi again, hav a look at the fit in the op of this thread, its a tried and tested fit with our corp, obviously you can downscale anything you don't have the skills to go t2 on ,its a bit slow but you can swap the prop mod if you feel you have to. it really shines when fighting slow stuff much bigger than itself 
Only kind of important thing there is to use Cap Booster 200s or Navy 400s. Unless I'm missing something with the 75s?
But yes to the OP, that is a fun fit. It also forces you to learn to calm down and micro manage your modules. Kind of a sink or swim way of learning, but quite fun nonetheless . As Ralph said, it's great against large ships. "I only lose ships when I fly with Azda." - Barry Cuttlefish |

J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4478
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Posted - 2014.09.16 13:27:00 -
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Hell. Most of the modules on my ships are Meta and I still get in on kills (hero tackle ftw).
So, no you dont have to have T2 but in some cases it can matter just that slight bit that makes a defeat into a win.
Also, FW is ONE of the many forms of PvP. Doesnt mean it's easy, startup PvP or a good way to learn. It depends on what you like and there are many options to taste PvP (Public Roams and AGONY classes come to mind) Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |

Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4936
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Posted - 2014.09.16 13:40:00 -
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Azda Ja wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:hi again, hav a look at the fit in the op of this thread, its a tried and tested fit with our corp, obviously you can downscale anything you don't have the skills to go t2 on ,its a bit slow but you can swap the prop mod if you feel you have to. it really shines when fighting slow stuff much bigger than itself  Only kind of important thing there is to use Cap Booster 200s or Navy 400s. Unless I'm missing something with the 75s? But yes to the OP, that is a fun fit. It also forces you to learn to calm down and micro manage your modules. Kind of a sink or swim way of learning, but quite fun nonetheless  . As Ralph said, it's great against large ships. i like the navy 150's as there not that expensive, can load 3 of them, keeps me around the 30% cap range when im running everything and you can carry lots of them, i also prefer the shorter ones for when im suffering under neuts i.e. ill onle have a couple of secons to activate mods before their neut cycles and my cap disappears again so i only want to be taking as much as needed from the pool in my cargo, 400's are a waste in that scenario =]I[= |

Ovv Topik
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
681
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Posted - 2014.09.16 14:22:00 -
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Yea you dont specify if you want to fleet up or try solo PvP.
In the former you can get away with cheaper fits and have a good laugh regardless.
With solo, every mps of speed, every single dps point, and every unit of ehp can be the line between winning and losing - fights can literally be won with 1% structure!
For this reason you dont want to start without at least T2 guns and Thermodynamics IV. Solo Frig fits including a mix of meta 3/4 and T2 mods typically come in at 5-10m isk. this may sound a lot but each 10min plex you run will net you about that in LP and every fight you win will net you around 2-5m isk in dropped loot typically.
There is a lot more to it than that as you will soon learn, but thats pretty much the bottom line. No one who PvP's in FW needs to bother with any other income.
Finally, dont bother with Faction Frigs, Dessies or T2 hulls at first. You WILL lose ships for a while, regardless of how much it cost, so stick with a well fit T1 Frig, and you will soon start racking up the wins.
Good hunting. "Jita 4 4 Spaceport. You will not find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious!" |

Luwc
Brodozers Inc.
224
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Posted - 2014.09.16 15:04:00 -
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Neut Tristan. http://hugelolcdn.com/i/267520.gif |

Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2014.09.16 15:55:00 -
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Yeah, this baby won me the first couple of solo fights - sure, neuts are the doomsday weapon of newbies.  I'm my own NPC alt. |

L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
191
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Posted - 2014.09.16 16:27:00 -
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I can't seem to find the thread now ( figures ) but agony is having a class on the 20th for only 10 mil. The course has had good reviews for as long as I've been playing so that may be worth taking advantage of. |

Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
569
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Posted - 2014.09.16 16:29:00 -
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Have a look at this thread which addresses your concern for financial ease directly.
As others have said, expensive fits are not necessary for fleet pvp. I fly a cheapish dual-prop atron in small gangs for tackle all the time (it's t2 fit but works just as well with t1 mods). It's great for tackling larger ships and hanging on while your fleet arrives. I've snagged a navy omen and a couple other ships with it and yet it survives. In fact, yesterday I nearly soloed a tornado in it (I could have - but sharing is caring! )
With FW you have two options; you can either join the militia or just hang out in their space and take advantage of the population for finding fights. Should you choose to join there's actually a fair amount of money to be made plexing - enough to keep you in t2 frigs with decent mods equipped. The piratey route is more flexible as you can shoot anyone and don't have to worry about war targets in high sec (until you tank your sec status and can't enter high sec). However it's less lucrative since you can't participate in the moneymaking.
My suggestion is to find a group to fly with and join in on some fleets for your first go at combat. You'll learn much faster with others to instruct you, and even just listening to experienced players chat with each other is a great way to glean information. Fly super cheap and rely on numbers to keep you alive long enough to get your bearings in the pvp world. Once you're feeling more comfortable and you've found a way to keep your wallet full you can branch out and try stuff on your own in more expensive fits. Solo PvP is fun and very rewarding, but it's not very new player friendly. www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com
New player with questions? Just want to chat? Join my public channel in game:-áHouse Forelli |

J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4478
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Posted - 2014.09.16 16:56:00 -
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L'ouris wrote:I can't seem to find the thread now ( figures ) but agony is having a class on the 20th for only 10 mil. The course has had good reviews for as long as I've been playing so that may be worth taking advantage of.
Next BASIC class for AGONY is this Saturday at 15:00 EVE time, with the roam straight after it.
Also, if you dont have the ISK for the class, they have a special scholarship last time I checked. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |

Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4939
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Posted - 2014.09.16 16:59:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:
Also, if you dont have the ISK for the class, they have a special scholarship last time I checked.
Only in eve. =]I[= |

Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
4128
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Posted - 2014.09.16 17:14:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:J'Poll wrote:
Also, if you dont have the ISK for the class, they have a special scholarship last time I checked.
Only in eve.
There are several groups that occasionally donate isk to sponsor new players enrolling in our classes. The more we expose players to PvP, the more they become addicted to the game! It's a lot of fun.
PM me if you need assistance affording the class.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4940
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Posted - 2014.09.16 17:22:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:J'Poll wrote:
Also, if you dont have the ISK for the class, they have a special scholarship last time I checked.
Only in eve. There are several groups that occasionally donate isk to sponsor new players enrolling in our classes. The more we expose players to PvP, the more they become addicted to the game! It's a lot of fun. PM me if you need assistance affording the class. I'm fine derping around as i am, cheers though. I meant that in a fond way, i have a lot of respect for what ye do.
o7 =]I[= |

Paranoid Loyd
1884
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Posted - 2014.09.16 17:42:00 -
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L'ouris wrote:I can't seem to find the thread now ( figures ) but agony is having a class on the 20th for only 10 mil. The course has had good reviews for as long as I've been playing so that may be worth taking advantage of.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5020434#post5020434 "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |

L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
191
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Posted - 2014.09.16 17:56:00 -
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<3 |

Charax Bouclier
Emerald Drama Theatrics
103
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Posted - 2014.09.16 18:22:00 -
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OP, I am just over a month in myself. I set up a new account recently to get started in PvP (while my main blunders on with industrial pursuits) and will be doing the FW thing myself, and starting with cheap frigates. Happy to blunder around with you but first, I am looking around for an FW corp so we can have some guidance.
Edit: my brain wiring is weird in that I often repeat the same word in successive sentences (e.g., blunder). Anyone know the medical term for this short circuit? |

Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4941
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Posted - 2014.09.16 18:40:00 -
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Charax Bouclier wrote:OP, I am just over a month in myself. I set up a new account recently to get started in PvP (while my main blunders on with industrial pursuits) and will be doing the FW thing myself, and starting with cheap frigates. Happy to blunder around with you but first, I am looking around for an FW corp so we can have some guidance.
Edit: my brain wiring is weird in that I often repeat the same word in successive sentences (e.g., blunder). Anyone know the medical term for this short circuit? No but I am know for stopping abruptly mid conversation and refusing to move forward with sentences until I can think of another word to use (for embarrassingly long periods). =]I[= |

Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
570
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Posted - 2014.09.16 18:50:00 -
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Charax Bouclier wrote:Edit: my brain wiring is weird in that I often repeat the same word in successive sentences (e.g., blunder). Anyone know the medical term for this short circuit? Palilalia?
Edit: I wonder if there is a condition where you obsessively have to answer questions?  www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com
New player with questions? Just want to chat? Join my public channel in game:-áHouse Forelli |

Charax Bouclier
Emerald Drama Theatrics
104
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Posted - 2014.09.16 19:01:00 -
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Cara Forelli wrote:Charax Bouclier wrote:Edit: my brain wiring is weird in that I often repeat the same word in successive sentences (e.g., blunder). Anyone know the medical term for this short circuit? Palilalia?Edit: I wonder if there is a condition where you obsessively have to answer questions? 
That refers to speech, and not the written word. Usually happens during edits for me. Weird!
Edit: ha, see? I used "weird" in my first quote. Ugh. |

J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4479
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Posted - 2014.09.16 19:40:00 -
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Cara Forelli wrote:Charax Bouclier wrote:Edit: my brain wiring is weird in that I often repeat the same word in successive sentences (e.g., blunder). Anyone know the medical term for this short circuit? Palilalia?Edit: I wonder if there is a condition where you obsessively have to answer questions? 
Cara, I think a good bunch of the NCQA regulars suffer from the "must answer this question" condition Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |

Trigger Zo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2014.09.16 19:53:00 -
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Hey guy's I really appreciate all the responses thus far been really helpful especially for fits! ISK isn't too much of an issue currently, but another question I now have, do to PVP properly does it require a lot of play time? I've been speaking with a lot of people who say that EVE can be played at you're own pace depending on what it is you'd like to do.
I can't really spend an entire day in game, preferring to play for a few hours each evening, does PVP not really fit this sort of timetable? |

Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
1919
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Posted - 2014.09.16 20:32:00 -
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Trigger Zo wrote:Hey guy's I really appreciate all the responses thus far been really helpful especially for fits! ISK isn't too much of an issue currently, but another question I now have, do to PVP properly does it require a lot of play time? I've been speaking with a lot of people who say that EVE can be played at you're own pace depending on what it is you'd like to do.
I can't really spend an entire day in game, preferring to play for a few hours each evening, does PVP not really fit this sort of timetable? To directly answer this, in the context of lowsec/FW:
1) If you fly solo, 2-3 hours is perfectly fine. In Gallente/Caldari space at least, it should always take you less than 30 minutes to find a fight. Just keep in mind soloing is not easy: if you want to be good at it, it'll take you months. If you don't care if you die 9 times out of 10 and just want to have fun, then no problem
2) If you fly with gangs/small fleets, it simply depends on how active your friends are. People aren't constantly PVPing 23/7, so you might have to wait an hour or two for something to 'happen'. But again, if on avg you have 2-3 hours per day and you log on in EU - or, even better, US - prime time, you're fine
3) You need to factor in some time for 'logistics' - that is, replenishing the dozens of ships that you will get exploded :) Some corps may help you out with this though Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter! |

J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4481
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Posted - 2014.09.16 22:00:00 -
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Trigger Zo wrote:Hey guy's I really appreciate all the responses thus far been really helpful especially for fits! ISK isn't too much of an issue currently, but another question I now have, do to PVP properly does it require a lot of play time? I've been speaking with a lot of people who say that EVE can be played at you're own pace depending on what it is you'd like to do.
I can't really spend an entire day in game, preferring to play for a few hours each evening, does PVP not really fit this sort of timetable?
To give you an idea.
I hardly actually play EVE (I log in often but usually this is just to stay in touch with people in EVE and stay up to date on stuff). But whenever I have a couple of hours, I can go out and shoot other people. So yes, EVE is very casual friendly, even for certain styles of PvP.
I underlined the important part. Some types of PvP are more "RL friendly" then others. Take for instance SOV null during a war, this means it's time to defend / attack systems which require more time and manpower then for instance being a low sec pirate who can do what he wants when he wants.
Your plan of FW, very RL first friendly, if you find a nice corp that agrees with that (and there are plenty of those). Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |

Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
496
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Posted - 2014.09.17 17:49:00 -
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Trigger Zo wrote:I'd just like to try it but i don't want to lose a 50mil isk ship in the process. What kind of T2 module costs 50 million ISK?
T2 guns are about 500k each, as is a T2 DC. Other modules might be a bit more expensive, but pretty much all my frigate fits are between 4 and 10 million ISK, using T2 where needed. And the more expensive fits are due to Meta4 modules, not T2 modules.
Are you trying to buy your ships in a low-sec station with an overpriced market?
And then, if you are in FW, just do a plex from time to time. A single novice plex at tier 2 is worth around 10 million ISK, enough to pay for 1-2 frigates. |

J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4484
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Posted - 2014.09.17 19:26:00 -
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Thomas Builder wrote:[quote=Trigger Zo]I'd just like to try it but i don't want to lose a 50mil isk ship in the process. What kind of T2 module costs 50 million ISK? /quote]
I know a couple, but they are not in New Citizen's reach anyway. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |

Ovv Topik
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
681
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Posted - 2014.09.18 19:27:00 -
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Trigger Zo wrote:Hey guy's I really appreciate all the responses thus far been really helpful especially for fits! ISK isn't too much of an issue currently, but another question I now have, do to PVP properly does it require a lot of play time? I've been speaking with a lot of people who say that EVE can be played at you're own pace depending on what it is you'd like to do.
I can't really spend an entire day in game, preferring to play for a few hours each evening, does PVP not really fit this sort of timetable? Lots of us play like that - just logging in for a couple of hours a night. In a good active corp, you will soon learn who else is on the same time as you are.
And if you want to solo, you should have no trouble finding trouble within a few minutes of undocking.
I undock for 1 - 2 hours a night, almost exclusively doing solo Frig PvP and will typically get 3 - 6 good fights in that time. On the quiet nights, you just finish more plex timers and make more isk.
"Jita 4 4 Spaceport. You will not find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious!" |
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