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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.08.04 16:05:00 -
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 Originally by: Jacob Majestic
Originally by: Agent Kenshin
Your still missing the point. Im sure there are a lot of Goons who have fun playing EVE for what it is. And playing EVE and not the blow up the imaginary spaceship game. Other MMOs are games. EVE is life crammed into a computer spaceship simulation. There are no seperate servers, everything and everyone is in one single universe. Its unique and some of you cant seem to find the difference between it and other MMOs. Sorry i cant help you. Most of you probably dont know about the warning label on the orginal box for EVE that read, "Warning! Your new life may be too addictive to leave."
This man is correct. As far as I can tell, in EVE there are exactly 4 coherent ideological blocks:
1. BoB / MC
2. ASCN
3. Star Fraction
4. GoonSwarm
Recognize that EVE is unique in that it has the scale and the depth to have wars over ideology, instead of just wars over loot or houses or something stupid. A player can personally identify with the megalomaniacal BoB / MC, the military-industrial complex that is ASCN, the idealistic SF, or the "**** it" GS. BoB's crusade to remove GS from the game has gone far beyond a war for resources and has become an ideological conflict.
I personally identify most with the goons. ******* the establishment is something ISS has been doing ever since we put up the first public outpost.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.08.04 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Treylis
Originally by: Kryztal
 English isnt my native language, noob.
What's the point in calling him a "noob" in this regard rather than, say, a pedant? (OK, I doubt that would actually be said, but, you get my meaning.) Is he somehow inferior simply because he hasn't been playing the game for as long as you have?
No, he is because he degrades himself to using spelling errors as a method to brand someone's argument or posting as invalid. I mean, that's about as silly as it gets isn't it ?
Noob in Eve doesn't portray an insult exclusive to newer players or somethign like that. It's evolved from that into a general insult towards someone saying or doing something rather stupid.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.08.04 16:51:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 04/08/2006 16:54:49
Why should he care if you are offended ?
No, seriously, isn't that the exact core of the moral relativity argumentation goonfleet seems so damn fond of ?
It's an e-insult made to imagined characters in an imagined pixel world ? How can you be offended ?
Of course it's ridiculous, but why is it only ridiculous when other people do it to *you* ?
edit: P.S., I realise that my remark is off as far as most if not nearly all of your alliance members are concerned. But, it has proven spot on for a good number already, by what I;ve personally seen. And I still fail to understand how you can tolerate it when people that type of attitude take actions that determine how others vieuw you. Unless of course you don't care seeing how it's all an incosequential e-game anyway, right ?
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.08.04 21:42:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 04/08/2006 21:43:46
If you want consideration, show consideration.
That's the basic principle that's being violated often and harshly enough to set goonswarm in a new light and put it apart from large parts of the Eve community in general.
Really, I can't think of a more basic description for it.
So, if you want to change the perception of you that has formed, change the behaviour. It's not a two way street as far as I am concerned.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.08.04 22:42:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 04/08/2006 22:44:37
Originally by: Calenth
But fundamentally, this war isn't about all that;
bla bla bla
Can we stop the sillyness please. If it had been any regular war it wouldn't have been the goons but someone else. I don;t really get why you figure that goonswarm would pose any serious threat to anyone just yet. D2 probably put in a halfassed effort, and from what I;ve seen that's not even close to what you'd get from us.
In fact, most of the people I have talked to about this lament the fact that we're going to end the goonswarm chance of building up to a challenge this soon already. We wouldn't mind a few more strong enemies at all, the more the merrier because choas and a free-for-all political landscape has often served us better then any other.
The only people we generally nip in the bud early are the ones silly enough to try and start their ascent in our backyard.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.08.04 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Devilish Ledoux
Aside from the occaisional demand for "missl," I have never seen anything BUT mature (albeit goofy and irreverent) gameplay from the Goons. They're mouthy, but they don't commit any crimes that any other corp or alliance isn't guilty of from time to time. Sure, they don't have the same goals that most of us have when we're playing Eve, but so what?
Should sending someone you don't know other then from his alliance tag a mail about his "insert expletive description that's below any standar of human decency" be considered acceptable in any single way shape or form, let alone mature ?
Irreverent my ass, it's simply not done, period.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.08.04 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Mistress Suffering
stagnation stuff
Well, as a side-subject of some relevance then.
Sure, the goosn could have gotten far if they wanted. I now doubt they had the more traditional form (build base, then go to town) of Eve allaince of group powerbase building in mind in the first place, but they could have still pulled it off if they'd done a few things just wslightly differently. And who knows, they still might, somehow.
In general however, I don;t beleive eve is neccesarily stagnant. Ask yourself, what is the head start the big powerblocks have based on mainly ? Right, solid logistics and even better leadership. Witht he logistics partyly dependent on the limited t2 technology tree and leadership soemthing that's not guaranteed to last either, whoever says that things will naturally last ? They ahve never lasted in the past, I don't doubt that things will change again in future, even *if* they might need some helping along maybe.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.08.04 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Calenth
If you're thinking about the same incident I am
I'm not as you;re the first to hear about seeing it happened yesterday evening. It wasn't an alt or spy or whatever either.
Anyway, it does not matter. The mere fact that even a week after the positions have been made clear and people have told you about the things that have been said and doen to anger us goonswarm still proves incapable of holding its members in check when it comes to adhereing to basic rules of decency is enough for me. That doesn;t mean I think your a cancer or something, I don;t tend to make that kind of ott statements. However, from what I've seen so far I can't but say that it's simply not on. If it changes it does, but untill that time things will stay as they are as far as I'm concerned.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.08.04 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Devilish Ledoux
But BoB can hold its members in check? Are stories about Goons going crazy and putting broomsticks up their wazoo "in check"?
They're a whole lot better then what was in the mail I got and then what I've seen around in local channels lately.
Want to hold an insult-measuring contest ?
Oh wait no, that's not going to do much good is it 
Things are as they are, the ball is yours now. Fight, die, or think of a way to sort it out.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.08.07 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Tarkan Kador
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Don't overdramatise. BoB does not wardec every smacktalker we run across ingame. We do however believe that certain lines are not to be crossed, and will take positive action to ensure that those that do face the consequences.
As long as people don't cross that line we put about two miles behind the spot at which there's no longer any reason to consider the offender sound of mind, you'll be just fine.
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