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Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 09:51:00 - [1] As the title says, I like the Nighthawk "as it is" I don't use it as a primary damage dealer, I use it for support. Unlike the Eagle, if a small fast target gets in close, it can still be hit. However, I do have a suggestion for improveing the Nighthawk that will leave me with my anti-frig missile ship I like so much, and probably satisfy others. Delete: The Nighthawk Kinetic Damage Bonus Add: Bonus: 20% reduction in T2 Missile penalties per Level of Commandship skill. (Perhaps have this apply only to Fury missiles???....) I'm actually not picky, and am satisfied with the ship "as is", but if it is going to be changed, I'd like it to still be a "kill small fast targets" ship rather than a primary damage dealer like SO MANY other ships. snip This type of comment has no place in a signature, please remain courteous - Pirlouit
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.08.06 09:55:00 - [2] I think you are pretty much alone in you assessment that the Nighthawk is fine. I'd not fly it, if I ever managed to cram my ego into a Caldari ship. Dark skies torn apart Heavens open before me I, the light of death
HippoKing Caldari The I-Win Button	Posted - 2006.08.06 09:58:00 - [3] Oh well. Tux has said the TNP bonus will probably be replaced, so I think we've won already I want my solo pwn-mobile, k? Normal HippoKing service resumed; world no longer ending.
Necrologic Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.08.06 10:07:00 - [4] After it gets changed just load precision or fit tps and it will do what you want still.
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 10:09:00 - [5] Originally by: HippoKing Oh well. Tux has said the TNP bonus will probably be replaced, so I think we've won already I want my solo pwn-mobile, k? No big worry here, I'll adapt to whatever happens, and I'm sure I could find "something" to use much higher DPS for. But I recently had the idea of letting the Nighthawk use Fury missiles without penalty (assuming Level 5 skill), and figured it might let me have my cake and eat it too. snip This type of comment has no place in a signature, please remain courteous - Pirlouit
Awox Awox Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.06 10:36:00 - [6] Edited by: Awox on 06/08/2006 10:38:01 Agreed. While you're at it give the Sleipnir the same bonus for projectile ammo. Imagine running around with Quake or Hail with no penalties. :D Edit: We should leave the Gallente an Amarr out of this. - nerf 0.5+
Ross Ice Gallente adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 10:45:00 - [7] Originally by: Awox Edited by: Awox on 06/08/2006 10:38:01 Agreed. While you're at it give the Sleipnir the same bonus for projectile ammo. Imagine running around with Quake or Hail with no penalties. :D Edit: We should leave the Gallente an Amarr out of this. mmmmm... Voooiiid
Xendie Chosen Path Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.08.06 10:50:00 - [8] Originally by: Ithildin I think you are pretty much alone in you assessment that the Nighthawk is fine. I'd not fly it, if I ever managed to cram my ego into a Caldari ship. lol would be hard to fit in any ship. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
Waxau Liberty Rogues Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.08.06 10:53:00 - [9] Edited by: Waxau on 06/08/2006 10:53:59 Waxau remembers the cerb after RMR....... Waxau clearsthe market of Nighthawks before they reach 500 mil rofl Btw - i like the NH too, but compared to other races, it sucks. And its good that caldari dont have a pwnmobile for once, but theres gotta be a compromise.
Ishmael Hansen	Posted - 2006.08.06 11:13:00 - [10] I fly the NH, 12 days for Sleipnir, can't hardly wait. Fix the NH plz, it's space crap.

Roxanna Kell Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 11:33:00 - [11] Originally by: HippoKing Oh well. Tux has said the TNP bonus will probably be replaced, so I think we've won already I want my solo pwn-mobile, k? god knows how many threads i monaed in, i guese it works
Laboratus Gallente BGG Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 12:18:00 - [12] Why is the community so dps obsessed? The nighthawk performs a different role then the other field command ships. Thats it. Accept it. Having variety is s good thing. Not a bad thing. It makes things interesting. Mind control and tin hats
Waxau Liberty Rogues Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.08.06 13:33:00 - [13] Yeah, but at the same time, whats the point in having a ship which performs a certain role when other ships which cost 100th the price do a job just as good? The only good thing about the NH is its tank, and its not the best. But it does the job i guess. Just not at popping frigs. My eagle can pop frigs 10X better. My brutix can even pop frigs faster. Its not so much dps obsessed, but would like it to be on par with the other command ships. It may perform a certain role, but the other command ships dont, and if they do...then they do theirs better than the NH:P But thats again, already been discussed. Glad to hear its getting changed tbh
HippoKing Caldari The I-Win Button	Posted - 2006.08.06 14:00:00 - [14] Originally by: Laboratus Why is the community so dps obsessed? The nighthawk performs a different role then the other field command ships. Thats it. Accept it. Having variety is s good thing. Not a bad thing. It makes things interesting. Take whateve race you fly. Gallente? Would you be happy if the astarte suddenly lost its damage and falloff bonus for tracking gun and sig? Normal HippoKing service resumed; world no longer ending.
Roxanna Kell Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 14:49:00 - [15] not only that, there is a vulture as a support ship, nighthawl is field command not fleet command therefore it should do uber damage.
Maya Rkell Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.08.06 14:58:00 - [16] No, not really. It should have its damage brought up with the Cerb, yes. Then the others have their damage nerfed down to the equivalent HAC, too. They can tank far better, improve their actual command capacity, and...
Roxanna Kell Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 15:00:00 - [17] Originally by: Maya Rkell No, not really. It should have its damage brought up with the Cerb, yes. Then the others have their damage nerfed down to the equivalent HAC, too. They can tank far better, improve their actual command capacity, and... \ jsut like the absolution damage is brought up with the zealot?
Double TaP The Establishment	Posted - 2006.08.06 16:37:00 - [18] Edited by: Double TaP on 06/08/2006 16:38:08 Originally by: Maya Rkell No, not really. It should have its damage brought up with the Cerb, yes. Then the others have their damage nerfed down to the equivalent HAC, too. They can tank far better, improve their actual command capacity, and... Why nerf 3 things and depress hoardes of people when you could just boost one and make a lot of people happy. BTW I hope they get rid of the TNP and the missile precision bonus. edit: btw to OP, there are soooo many caldari ships that are good at killing small fast targets, the cerb being an awrsome example. Or for about 2% of the price you could buy a caracal.
Liet Traep Minmatar Black Lance	Posted - 2006.08.06 16:46:00 - [19] grabs his khumaak and threatens to bash the brains out of anyone who thinks about nerfing his absolution. References to absolutions aren't needed in this thread. Tis is about giving the nighthawk some love not about ruining anyone elses ship.
Double TaP The Establishment	Posted - 2006.08.06 16:59:00 - [20] Originally by: Liet Traep grabs his khumaak and threatens to bash the brains out of anyone who thinks about nerfing his absolution. References to absolutions aren't needed in this thread. Tis is about giving the nighthawk some love not about ruining anyone elses ship. see maya?

Roxanna Kell Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 17:08:00 - [21] Originally by: Double TaP Edited by: Double TaP on 06/08/2006 16:38:08 Originally by: Maya Rkell No, not really. It should have its damage brought up with the Cerb, yes. Then the others have their damage nerfed down to the equivalent HAC, too. They can tank far better, improve their actual command capacity, and... Why nerf 3 things and depress hoardes of people when you could just boost one and make a lot of people happy. BTW I hope they get rid of the TNP and the missile precision bonus. edit: btw to OP, there are soooo many caldari ships that are good at killing small fast targets, the cerb being an awrsome example. Or for about 2% of the price you could buy a caracal. exactly mate, with maxed skills on my cerb i can volley any t1 frig, i never even laod up precision. and ceptors take 1-3 volleys dependign on if i got them webbed or not, as long as they re not going faster than 6k
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.08.06 17:53:00 - [22] Originally by: HippoKing Oh well. Tux has said the TNP bonus will probably be replaced, so I think we've won already I want my solo pwn-mobile, k? QTF All the other races get the bigger HAC that CCP once said wouldn't exist, we want one too damnit.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.08.06 17:54:00 - [23] Originally by: Sergeant Spot As the title says, I like the Nighthawk "as it is" I don't use it as a primary damage dealer, I use it for support. Unlike the Eagle, if a small fast target gets in close, it can still be hit. Once that fast frig gets hit by a 90% web, I don't think your eagle pilot will have THAT much of a problem blowing him straight to hell with some Anti-matter M.
Maya Rkell Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.08.06 19:02:00 - [24] Edited by: Maya Rkell on 06/08/2006 19:02:59 Originally by: Double TaP Edited by: Double TaP on 06/08/2006 16:38:08 Originally by: Maya Rkell No, not really. It should have its damage brought up with the Cerb, yes. Then the others have their damage nerfed down to the equivalent HAC, too. They can tank far better, improve their actual command capacity, and... Why nerf 3 things and depress hoardes of people when you could just boost one and make a lot of people happy. Because they're brokenly powerful. And not used for command. They're CBC's, not HAC Mk II's. It's not about "ruining" any ship - HAC's allready do a LOT of damage, and backed by the seriously better tank of the CBC and true command capacity they'll still be very nasty and worthwhile ships.
Nikolai Nuvolari Caldari Gilead's Bullet Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.08.06 20:02:00 - [25] Originally by: Maya Rkell HAC's allready do a LOT of damage Ever flown an Eagle? Anyway, in terms of DPS: Astarte > Deimos Absolution > Zealot Sleipnir > Muninn therefore, it SHOULD be: Nighthawk > Cerberus instead of Nighthawk < Cerberus It's really as simple as that. The same thing is true of the Fleet Commands, but that's an issue for a different thread. Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Maya Rkell Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.08.06 21:09:00 - [26] Only if you work off the assumption that CBC == HAC Mk 2. I don't.
Taipan Gedscho Taipan Industries	Posted - 2006.08.06 21:14:00 - [27] Originally by: Laboratus Why is the community so dps obsessed? The nighthawk performs a different role then the other field command ships. Thats it. Accept it. Having variety is s good thing. Not a bad thing. It makes things interesting. listen to the man, thats true. simply true. my gun is bigger than your tank (or vice versa) as the only name of the game is just sucky.
Outa Rileau	Posted - 2006.08.06 21:56:00 - [28] what's wrong with HAC MK II I don't think there's anything wrong with it... not game ruinning... i still got my trophy raven ♥ ------------------------- Getting Sig Removed / Rank 8 / SP: 762039 of 2048000
Abyss Jack Serial Chill3rz	Posted - 2006.08.06 22:02:00 - [29] nighthawk need a boost, even if it will coast 300mil+ once . You can't balance all prices, but it can't be that gallente CS own the NH in a 1v1 -me points raven vs blasterthron, raven win mmkay- This bonus for anti frig is nonsence, cerberus with assault launcher t2 and precision can do this job much better imao.
Maya Rkell Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.08.06 22:32:00 - [30] Originally by: Outa Rileau what's wrong with HAC MK II Because it's a Command Battlecruiser? Because it should COMMAND, not gank! We have enough ships for ganking.



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