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Sitri	Posted - 2006.08.06 10:00:00 - [1] EVE owns 1% of the MMORPG market while WOW owns over 50%. Why is it that there are over 250 items for sale for EVE and just over 150 for WOW. Is EVE run off EBay these days?!?
Jenny Spitfire Caldari LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.06 10:02:00 - [2] Because EvE has value, WoW doesnt. ---------------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness.
Novarei The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.06 10:04:00 - [3] Because the WoW gold sellers have more and better websites to distribute farmed gold and items.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.06 10:04:00 - [4] I also read on the WoW site that the thing they call "World Pvp" was actually just a name for another battleground. Clever name to bring players back to WoW, but I cant help but thinking that it will hurt their reputation in the end. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Luc Boye Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 10:09:00 - [5] Edited by: Luc Boye on 06/08/2006 10:09:15 Originally by: Jim McGregor I also read on the WoW site that the thing they call "World Pvp" was actually just a name for another battleground. Clever name to bring players back to WoW, but I cant help but thinking that it will hurt their reputation in the end. What reputation? For 10 ppl that sign on, 5 start thinking that wow sucks, and maybe 1-2 cancel subscription. 8:0 for blizzard. -------------------------- MWD Cap Penalty?
Pizi	Posted - 2006.08.06 10:59:00 - [6] Originally by: Jim McGregor I also read on the WoW site that the thing they call "World Pvp" was actually just a name for another battleground. Clever name to bring players back to WoW, but I cant help but thinking that it will hurt their reputation in the end. thats bull ... also in wow , if you want realy good equip , you need to farm it all the good items are BOP i cant see a reason why you would buy gold in wow , 5 minutes manufacturing each day will give you all the gold youll ever need
Caleb Paine Itchy Trigger Finger Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 11:01:00 - [7] Add to the fact that once you got your ubber armor/sword/whatever, you can't lose it. ----------------- Death smiles at us all, all a man can do is smile back.
HippoKing Caldari The I-Win Button	Posted - 2006.08.06 11:02:00 - [8] I get 370 hits for "eve online" and 11069 for "world of warcraft" on UK ebay. No problems here Normal HippoKing service resumed; world no longer ending.
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.08.06 11:38:00 - [9] Originally by: Caleb Paine Add to the fact that once you got your ubber armor/sword/whatever, you can't lose it. Is it true? You can't lose your stuff on Wow?
HippoKing Caldari The I-Win Button	Posted - 2006.08.06 11:40:00 - [10] Originally by: Mangold Originally by: Caleb Paine Add to the fact that once you got your ubber armor/sword/whatever, you can't lose it. Is it true? You can't lose your stuff on Wow? yup. Normal HippoKing service resumed; world no longer ending.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.06 11:41:00 - [11] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 06/08/2006 11:44:21 Originally by: Mangold Originally by: Caleb Paine Add to the fact that once you got your ubber armor/sword/whatever, you can't lose it. Is it true? You can't lose your stuff on Wow? Well, its a kids game. You cant lose it and you cant loot players. Basicly its just about grinding gear. And when enough people have good gear, Blizzard opens some new dungeon with some new gear the kids feel they must have. :) Edit: Of course not only kids play it though. Its fun for a short while. But its easy to see it doesnt have any lasting value. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Roxanna Kell Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 11:52:00 - [12] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 06/08/2006 11:44:21 Originally by: Mangold Originally by: Caleb Paine Add to the fact that once you got your ubber armor/sword/whatever, you can't lose it. Is it true? You can't lose your stuff on Wow? Well, its a kids game. You cant lose it and you cant loot players. Basicly its just about grinding gear. And when enough people have good gear, Blizzard opens some new dungeon with some new gear the kids feel they must have. :) Edit: Of course not only kids play it though. Its fun for a short while. But its easy to see it doesnt have any lasting value. is there any eve like mmorpg in a fantasy world not sci fi
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.06 11:53:00 - [13] Originally by: Roxanna Kell is there any eve like mmorpg in a fantasy world not sci fi There are a few of them on the way. Personally I think Age of Conan is looking good. One cant live on Eve alone. =) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Adrielle Firewalker Minmatar WASTELAND MINERS Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.06 11:55:00 - [14] Originally by: Roxanna Kell is there any eve like mmorpg in a fantasy world not sci fi Closest I think would probably be Ultima Online, back when it was new, and y'know... Didn't suck ================ ~Adrielle Original MinmatarT
Roxanna Kell Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 11:55:00 - [15] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Roxanna Kell is there any eve like mmorpg in a fantasy world not sci fi There are a few of them on the way. Personally I think Age of Conan is looking good. One cant live on Eve alone. =) mu m8 told me about it, , how it starts as a single player than you go on to a server later, iam into pirates of he burning seas, YARRR
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.06 11:56:00 - [16] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 06/08/2006 11:56:48 Originally by: Roxanna Kell mu m8 told me about it, , how it starts as a single player than you go on to a server later, iam into pirates of he burning seas, YARRR Yeah I will definently check that one out too, but it looks like a late 2007 release. :( This is what i like the most about Conan btw: Massive epic battles û This is the ultimate large-scale PvP form where guilds and coalitions of players can build their own cities in the border kingdoms, and fight it out in massive battles. Just think of it! Engines of war, mounted warriors charging on horses and camels, formations of players struggling for every inch of land, tearing down walls or breaking through the formations of the enemy! Im not sure if there will be real losses and looting though. I hope so. And it better not be instanced.. then i wont bother with it. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
HippoKing Caldari The I-Win Button	Posted - 2006.08.06 12:02:00 - [17] I don't know much about Conan. I do know that POTBS combat is going to be instanced Normal HippoKing service resumed; world no longer ending.
Roxanna Kell Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 12:02:00 - [18] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 06/08/2006 11:56:48 Originally by: Roxanna Kell mu m8 told me about it, , how it starts as a single player than you go on to a server later, iam into pirates of he burning seas, YARRR Yeah I will definently check that one out too, but it looks like a late 2007 release. :( This is what i like the most about Conan btw: Massive epic battles û This is the ultimate large-scale PvP form where guilds and coalitions of players can build their own cities in the border kingdoms, and fight it out in massive battles. Just think of it! Engines of war, mounted warriors charging on horses and camels, formations of players struggling for every inch of land, tearing down walls or breaking through the formations of the enemy! Im not sure if there will be real losses and looting though. I hope so. And it better not be instanced.. then i wont bother with it. dude you got me drooling. stop. me on ts:Arise. Arise, Riders of Th+oden. Spears shall be shaken, shields shall be splintered. A sword day... a red day... ere the sun rises. but seriously it ll be hard to control so many and get them in formation, plus the game would be more FPS i dont wanna spend 10 mintues hittign someone to kill him.
Roxanna Kell Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 12:04:00 - [19] Originally by: HippoKing I don't know much about Conan. I do know that POTBS combat is going to be instanced what does that mean?
HippoKing Caldari The I-Win Button	Posted - 2006.08.06 12:05:00 - [20] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Originally by: HippoKing I don't know much about Conan. I do know that POTBS combat is going to be instanced what does that mean? If you engage, you are off on your own little world, and can't be interfered with until the fight is over. Normal HippoKing service resumed; world no longer ending.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.06 12:05:00 - [21] Originally by: HippoKing I don't know much about Conan. I do know that POTBS combat is going to be instanced Well, then count me out. Im too old for meaningless games. Of course it doesnt have to be meaningless, it depends on how they implement it. Im sure looting must be allowed - its a pirate game ffs. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.06 12:07:00 - [22] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Originally by: HippoKing I don't know much about Conan. I do know that POTBS combat is going to be instanced what does that mean? Combat takes place in a area which the servers create specially for the combat duration. Nobody else but the players involved see what is going on. Its cut off from the game world. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.06 12:09:00 - [23] World of Warcraft is the only MMORPG I have ever played that managed to turn PvP into a grind. --Proud member of the [23]-- -WTS Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II
BustyBounty Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.06 12:29:00 - [24] Edited by: BustyBounty on 06/08/2006 12:33:10 Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Roxanna Kell Originally by: HippoKing I don't know much about Conan. I do know that POTBS combat is going to be instanced what does that mean? If you engage, you are off on your own little world, and can't be interfered with until the fight is over. there still resetting the game world every few weeks aswell? one of the most stupid ideas in an mmorpg EVER! they couldnt possibly let people take over a port and keep it until someone else can take it back can you imagine how lame eve would be if they moved all the alliances back to empire every month and reset sov btw they were doing it so if you lost a battle that your ship would still be yours but you wouldnt be able to select it for a certain ammount of time. dont know if thats changed or not but i doubt it ------------------------------------------ My opinions are my own and not that of the alliance I belong to.
Maya Rkell Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.08.06 12:49:00 - [25] Originally by: Jim McGregor This is what i like the most about Conan btw: Massive epic battles û This is the ultimate large-scale PvP form where guilds and coalitions of players can build their own cities in the border kingdoms, and fight it out in massive battles. Just think of it! Engines of war, mounted warriors charging on horses and camels, formations of players struggling for every inch of land, tearing down walls or breaking through the formations of the enemy! Shadowbane allready has this.
Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2006.08.06 12:57:00 - [26] Originally by: Luc Boye Edited by: Luc Boye on 06/08/2006 10:09:15 Originally by: Jim McGregor I also read on the WoW site that the thing they call "World Pvp" was actually just a name for another battleground. Clever name to bring players back to WoW, but I cant help but thinking that it will hurt their reputation in the end. What reputation? For 10 ppl that sign on, 5 start thinking that wow sucks, and maybe 1-2 cancel subscription. 8:0 for blizzard. 8-2
HippoKing Caldari The I-Win Button	Posted - 2006.08.06 13:14:00 - [27] Originally by: Wendat Huron Originally by: Luc Boye Edited by: Luc Boye on 06/08/2006 10:09:15 Originally by: Jim McGregor I also read on the WoW site that the thing they call "World Pvp" was actually just a name for another battleground. Clever name to bring players back to WoW, but I cant help but thinking that it will hurt their reputation in the end. What reputation? For 10 ppl that sign on, 5 start thinking that wow sucks, and maybe 1-2 cancel subscription. 8:0 for blizzard. 8-2 If you are counting that way, it's 10:2 Normal HippoKing service resumed; world no longer ending.
Roxanna Kell Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 14:46:00 - [28] screw pirates of the burning sea than if thats the way its gonna be. WHY CCP wotn use their engine to create a 2nd game only based at SEA. they dominated the space world, iam sure they can dominate the ERm sea world? you know what i mean, just change space to sea, planets to ilands, statins to dockyars, CROWS to faster cannos with a fishing net and a hook, web and scramb ; p
Arkane Darkwhisper Gallente	Posted - 2006.08.06 14:59:00 - [29] Originally by: Sitri EVE owns 1% of the MMORPG market while WOW owns over 50%. Why is it that there are over 250 items for sale for EVE and just over 150 for WOW. Is EVE run off EBay these days?!? Cause Ebay WoW sell and Ebay Eve don't
Kaiu Hinkledolph and K Associates	Posted - 2006.08.06 15:22:00 - [30] results from EBAY 3716 EVE 12766 World of Warcraft 54766 WOW Seems you just Suck@Ebay ?
Zeknichov Amarr Black Avatar	Posted - 2006.08.06 15:25:00 - [31] Originally by: Maya Rkell Originally by: Jim McGregor This is what i like the most about Conan btw: Massive epic battles û This is the ultimate large-scale PvP form where guilds and coalitions of players can build their own cities in the border kingdoms, and fight it out in massive battles. Just think of it! Engines of war, mounted warriors charging on horses and camels, formations of players struggling for every inch of land, tearing down walls or breaking through the formations of the enemy! Shadowbane allready has this. Shadowbane is dead. Graphics are horrible, duping ruined the economy and barely anyone plays it anymore. EVE has the best PvP system of any MMO out currently. AofC looks alright I will have to investigate it further the last I heard about it was 2 years ago.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.06 15:27:00 - [32] Originally by: Audry Hepbern Originally by: Roxanna Kell screw pirates of the burning sea than if thats the way its gonna be. WHY CCP wotn use their engine to create a 2nd game only based at SEA. they dominated the space world, iam sure they can dominate the ERm sea world? you know what i mean, just change space to sea, planets to ilands, statins to dockyars, CROWS to faster cannos with a fishing net and a hook, web and scramb ; p As the Eve engine is fundamentally based on stargates, you'd have to have your ships dissapearing down some water vortex and appear somewhere else after n seconds of "travel". All PvP between pirates would take place at the vortex. YARR! Not really. A gate is an "end of grid". A sea based EvE could have gates located at the end of a canal, etc. You dont need to create a huge sea world like Earth. You can create a part of Earth i.e. some place with many islands, isles, archipelagos, etc. Would be fun to play sea pirate but also quite boring. Long travel time because you need to sail slowly. Anyone remember Ultima X? ---------------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness.
Sitri	Posted - 2006.08.06 15:47:00 - [33] Originally by: Kaiu results from EBAY 3716 EVE 12766 World of Warcraft 54766 WOW Seems you just Suck@Ebay ? OK, I was talking about the UK site, didn't bother checking the US one. Should have known most of the farmers sell on there.
Adoro Caldari Reunited	Posted - 2006.08.06 15:57:00 - [34] lol...just lol...try to explain to a WoW player how stupid WoW is...gl
Kaiu Hinkledolph and K Associates	Posted - 2006.08.06 16:24:00 - [35] Originally by: Adoro lol...just lol...try to explain to a WoW player how stupid WoW is...gl i've tried :S listen to www.mogarmy.com Those guys are hilarious slating WOW lol They also say it is good for the reasons imo that it is 'good' Also, yeah i looked at UK Ebay... very odd, must be a listings thing?
Hakera Minmatar Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.06 16:38:00 - [36] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Roxanna Kell Originally by: HippoKing I don't know much about Conan. I do know that POTBS combat is going to be instanced what does that mean? If you engage, you are off on your own little world, and can't be interfered with until the fight is over. not strictly true, if you are within a certain range and part of a group already in the battle, or you are also eligible to join if freindly and if someone within the battle launches a distress flare (eg someone from same faction as you) and you are in range of the flare you are also eligible to join.
Kitty O'Shay Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.08.06 16:48:00 - [37] Conan = Funcom Not going to get within smelling distance. Get a Anarchy Online trial and try out Funcom for yourself. Sure the graphics will be much upgraded over AO, but the underlying rot is still there. Not long before I quit AO, Funcom decided to fix a bug in PvP looting (the looter could delete nodrop items from the corpse) by REMOVING PVP LOOTING completely. I have faith that Conan will follow a similar path, Funcom at heart is not a PvP company. Whereas CCP is by griefers, for griefers. -- [THARS] is recruiting 1 ebil pirate. Be the one!
Luc Boye Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.07 03:09:00 - [38] Originally by: Roxanna Kell screw pirates of the burning sea than if thats the way its gonna be. Yeh, if I'm looking at the Age of Conan instead. Even tho I kinda started spamming potbs forums in 2003 :/ -------------------------- MWD Cap Penalty?
Cummilla	Posted - 2006.08.07 03:21:00 - [39] Originally by: Kitty O'Shay Whereas CCP is by griefers, for griefers. ROFL. One of the truest statements on this forum, ever. And, why I like Eve so much.
BustyBounty Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.07 03:38:00 - [40] Originally by: Hakera Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Roxanna Kell Originally by: HippoKing I don't know much about Conan. I do know that POTBS combat is going to be instanced what does that mean? If you engage, you are off on your own little world, and can't be interfered with until the fight is over. not strictly true, if you are within a certain range and part of a group already in the battle, or you are also eligible to join if freindly and if someone within the battle launches a distress flare (eg someone from same faction as you) and you are in range of the flare you are also eligible to join. the amount of people in an instance is limited to something like 8 or 16 though if i remember right ------------------------------------------ My opinions are my own and not that of the alliance I belong to.
Capt Hurr	Posted - 2006.08.07 04:08:00 - [41] Also Blizzard actively chases down people selling accounts, etc.. on ebay and has them brought down. I should know, it took me three trys to get rid of mine
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.08.07 04:27:00 - [42] Originally by: Sitri EVE owns 1% of the MMORPG market while WOW owns over 50%. Why is it that there are over 250 items for sale for EVE and just over 150 for WOW. Is EVE run off EBay these days?!? Because you don't lose your items in WoW. Thanks for making pussified games mainstream Blizzard.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.08.07 04:28:00 - [43] Originally by: Mangold Originally by: Caleb Paine Add to the fact that once you got your ubber armor/sword/whatever, you can't lose it. Is it true? You can't lose your stuff on Wow? Could you ever lose items on ANY blizzard game? I think the 'death toll' in Diablo 2 is about as harsh of a loss system Blizzard has EVER used.
Militis Kolosok Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.07 04:29:00 - [44] Blizzard constantly roams EBay and asks them to remove WoW auctions that are against the TOS and EULA.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.08.07 04:33:00 - [45] Originally by: Roxanna Kell me on ts:Arise. Arise, Riders of Th+oden. Spears shall be shaken, shields shall be splintered. A sword day... a red day... ere the sun rises. You forgot the "Wow... Mordor blobs more than Isengard, can't these *******s fight with even numbers?"
Zenemis Caldari Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2006.08.07 06:18:00 - [46] Edited by: Zenemis on 07/08/2006 06:19:09 Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Mangold Originally by: Caleb Paine Add to the fact that once you got your ubber armor/sword/whatever, you can't lose it. Is it true? You can't lose your stuff on Wow? Could you ever lose items on ANY blizzard game? I think the 'death toll' in Diablo 2 is about as harsh of a loss system Blizzard has EVER used. Diablo 2 - Hardcore mode. Try again next time (Equivalent of losing all assets, AND your pilot upon death)
Dinique Caldari Black Lance Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.07 06:30:00 - [47] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Audry Hepbern Originally by: Roxanna Kell screw pirates of the burning sea than if thats the way its gonna be. WHY CCP wotn use their engine to create a 2nd game only based at SEA. they dominated the space world, iam sure they can dominate the ERm sea world? you know what i mean, just change space to sea, planets to ilands, statins to dockyars, CROWS to faster cannos with a fishing net and a hook, web and scramb ; p As the Eve engine is fundamentally based on stargates, you'd have to have your ships dissapearing down some water vortex and appear somewhere else after n seconds of "travel". All PvP between pirates would take place at the vortex. YARR! Not really. A gate is an "end of grid". A sea based EvE could have gates located at the end of a canal, etc. You dont need to create a huge sea world like Earth. You can create a part of Earth i.e. some place with many islands, isles, archipelagos, etc. Would be fun to play sea pirate but also quite boring. Long travel time because you need to sail slowly. Anyone remember Ultima X? You mean Ultima IX? Dusk till Dawn Twilight to Starlight
Jenny Spitfire Caldari LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.07 07:08:00 - [48] Originally by: Dinique Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Audry Hepbern Originally by: Roxanna Kell screw pirates of the burning sea than if thats the way its gonna be. WHY CCP wotn use their engine to create a 2nd game only based at SEA. they dominated the space world, iam sure they can dominate the ERm sea world? you know what i mean, just change space to sea, planets to ilands, statins to dockyars, CROWS to faster cannos with a fishing net and a hook, web and scramb ; p As the Eve engine is fundamentally based on stargates, you'd have to have your ships dissapearing down some water vortex and appear somewhere else after n seconds of "travel". All PvP between pirates would take place at the vortex. YARR! Not really. A gate is an "end of grid". A sea based EvE could have gates located at the end of a canal, etc. You dont need to create a huge sea world like Earth. You can create a part of Earth i.e. some place with many islands, isles, archipelagos, etc. Would be fun to play sea pirate but also quite boring. Long travel time because you need to sail slowly. Anyone remember Ultima X? You mean Ultima IX? Yup. ---------------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness.
Faierok	Posted - 2006.08.07 10:00:00 - [49] Originally by: Zeknichov Shadowbane is dead. Graphics are horrible, duping ruined the economy and barely anyone plays it anymore. EVE has the best PvP system of any MMO out currently. AofC looks alright I will have to investigate it further the last I heard about it was 2 years ago. Barley enyone plays anymore?? SB is dead?? man you should check into what your talking about more. SB is enjoying a revival atm with numbers to rival the amount of people who were on 6 months after launch. Now I will agree with the graphics part but they will be upgrading them in the future. And no I havent done alot of PvP here yet but i still prefer DAOC for the PvP.
Ydyp Ieva Caldari Romarrian Empire Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.07 10:44:00 - [50] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Mangold Originally by: Caleb Paine Add to the fact that once you got your ubber armor/sword/whatever, you can't lose it. Is it true? You can't lose your stuff on Wow? Could you ever lose items on ANY blizzard game? I think the 'death toll' in Diablo 2 is about as harsh of a loss system Blizzard has EVER used. Play diablo 2 in hardcore and come back stating that after you died WoW on the other hand is only easy mode, once you acquire an item you can't loose it. And even the more exclusive owning items are BoP (Bind on Pickup), all other items with some magic to them are BoE (Bind on Equip). Once bound to you, you can't even sell the thing. Meaning no market, no use for it to sell it on EBay and no use for loads of golds sinse you won't find the uberloot on the market (wich market?). The good things about eve is the open player based market, liked that one of SWG as well (before they killed that game with their updates). I'm now trying out Saga of Ryzom and the market looks pretty good as well, good items only player crafted. No item loots, only mats on animals and dappers (money) on npc. Don't ask me after the pvp aspect though don't know yet.

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