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Archetype 66
Epsilon Lyr Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2014.09.23 17:09:00 -
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Linked here an off topic from there https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5045500#post5045500
It would be nice to have some sort of scanning module that gives you a visual (+ overview) of cloaked ships on grid during the short lap time of the scanning processus. With a cool down period of that module making it impossible for one person to keep a visual, it would provide a funny game of mouse and cat.
As for off-grid cloackers, the best way would be to make cloacking device use some kind of fuel (liquide ozone ?). Spying/scouting extended operations on the ground would have to maintain a supply to continue. We could add that, a mechanism that would permits to activate the cloaking device without fuel but for a few seconds only (in order to not completely ruin the navigation capability of cloacker ships)
Anyway, off-topic, but I hearts my proposal that complements well the popular idea of fuel :) |

Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5106
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Posted - 2014.09.23 17:13:00 -
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Paikis wrote:This thread comes up on almost a weekly basis. In fact, I'd be surprised if there wasn't a nerf cloaking thread in the first 2 pages on this forum section. Almost every single one of them goes like this:
1. OP posts a post with a new (lol) idea that always boils down to some variation of the following: - "There's a big meanie who is sitting in my system and not doing anything, but I don't know where he is and I can't ever just go next door. I can't find said meanie and even though I know that he's probably at work and poses no threat at all, I wont do anything in my system that I absolutely can't leave ever because he might not be at work and I might lose a ship. CCP please stop the meanie from being able to do nothing to me because he's probably at work"
2. Thread gets trolled because its been done literally to death. This horse has been beaten so hard and so often that it's little more than a memory of a memory of a red smear on the grass, and yet it STILL WONT DIE! In fact it's been done so many times that this particular horse is now undead; even if it does die, it will still be remembered and parodied.
3. Someone comes along and suggests that AFK cloakers can't hurt you, because they are, by their very definition, AFK. No one ever lost a ship to someone who ISN'T PLAYING THE GAME.
4. Someone else comes along and points out that while the cloaker might be AFK, he might not be, and so we have Schrodinger's Hot Dropper. The cyno pilot who might be AFK... but he might not be as well, and you will only know for sure when he decloaks, points and lights his candle. (Yes, I know this isn't how the cat works)
5. Someone else comes along and suggests that you use bait and setup a TARP. Or have a defence fleet on standby. Heaven forbid you have to actually fight to defend your space.
6. A further person comes along and suggests that the problem isn't cloaking AFK in your system that you can't possibly leave ever, but that you KNOW that the person is AFK in your system... and perhaps local should be removed because free 100% accurate intel is probably not the best thing in the game and if you didn't know that the big meanie was in your system, you wouldn't be worried about leaving the undock/POS.
7. Then another person pokes their head in and complains that local is 100% NEEDED because D-Scan and probing are such bad mechanics, and IF YOU TAKE MY LOCAL AWAY IM QUITTING FOREVER AND NO YOU CAN'T HAVE MY STUFF!
8. Someone asks if they can have 7's stuff.
We end up with another thread which goes on for pages and pages between complains about local, defence fleets, inability to just go next door, people who aren't playing the game but are playing the meta, lots of bickering and in the end nothing gets solved. CCP wont remove cloaking because it would mess with waaay too many things and it creates content (which is a good thing) by removing content (which is a bad thing) but they can't really think of any way to do it without a complete overhaul of the local and scanning systems.
Now that I've had this entire thread's conversation, can we just let it die? Please? =]I[= |

Archetype 66
Epsilon Lyr Nulli Secunda
163
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Posted - 2014.09.23 17:23:00 -
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I don't care of AFK Cloakers.
What I propose mainly, is a paralell war of scout/anti-scout on grid. I want a new TII Surveillance Destroyer hunting Bombers, Scouts etc... before and during a fight.
I'm proposing fun, not crying about cloakers ^^ Have look, think about it and thumb up or down :p |

Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
2929
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Posted - 2014.09.23 18:03:00 -
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You're proposing a nerf to cloaks, using ideas that have been suggested dozens of times already.
Reported yet another redundant bloody thread. Why is it so hard for you nerf cloaks people to use search? |

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5594
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Posted - 2014.09.23 18:09:00 -
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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=498000&_ga=1.212205396.1138323024.1385283132
Cloaking device fuel. Big bowl of "terrible idea, not going to happen" since 2007.
Archetype 66 wrote:I don't care of AFK Cloakers.
Archetype 66 wrote:As for off-grid cloackers, the best way would be to make cloacking device use some kind of fuel (liquide ozone ?). Spying/scouting extended operations on the ground would have to maintain a supply to continue
Sure you don't care.  "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |

Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2014.09.23 18:12:00 -
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Reported for redundancy.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |

Archetype 66
Epsilon Lyr Nulli Secunda
163
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Posted - 2014.09.23 18:21:00 -
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Blablabla. I Know a bunch of those threads especially about fuel. I'm bringing fresh ideas around cloaking and how it interracts with fleet fights and scouting. I'm not focused on afk cloakers and the fuel thing. Angry boys ! In what it bothers you to have a new thread about cloack ? Everything had been said ? Is it now a taboo ? |

Alundil
Isogen 5
667
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Posted - 2014.09.23 18:22:00 -
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Otra vez.... Nb4L
I'm right behind you |

Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5110
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Posted - 2014.09.23 18:33:00 -
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Archetype 66 wrote: Everything had been said ? Pretty much. You even point out there are a bunch of threads about your exact idea. =]I[= |

Archetype 66
Epsilon Lyr Nulli Secunda
163
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Posted - 2014.09.23 19:12:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Archetype 66 wrote: Everything had been said ? Pretty much. You even point out there are a bunch of threads about your exact idea.
Dude ^^ Why do you have to lie ? My proposition is not about fuel cost cloaking even if I mentionned it secondarily. |

Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
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Posted - 2014.09.23 19:20:00 -
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Another day, another cloaking thread. |

Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
106
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Posted - 2014.09.23 19:21:00 -
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Oh look another cloaky thread... Your thread is like all the others, and actually a cloak hunting destroyer was proposed for the 238th time a few days ago actually. |

Archetype 66
Epsilon Lyr Nulli Secunda
164
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Posted - 2014.09.23 19:32:00 -
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Well I did not think we had that much threads about it. While each idea has its specificities, I must admit that it is repetitive. I ask the topic to be locked. |

Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
718
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Posted - 2014.09.23 19:57:00 -
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With the new cloaking graphics, at least the cloaking escape on gate camps is effectively nerfed and removed. That should be end up in fun camps. |

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5597
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Posted - 2014.09.23 20:07:00 -
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Archetype 66 wrote:Edit : redundant
Now you're getting it. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |

Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5126
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Posted - 2014.09.23 21:05:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Archetype 66 wrote:Edit : redundant Now you're getting it. Ganked on the undock. =]I[= |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.09.23 21:57:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Paikis wrote:This thread comes up on almost a weekly basis. In fact, I'd be surprised if there wasn't a nerf cloaking thread in the first 2 pages on this forum section. Almost every single one of them goes like this:
1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8.
Now that I've had this entire thread's conversation, can we just let it die? Please? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4374522#post4374522 Paikis forgot one inevitable point that, late to the party or not, always happens:
9. ISD locks the thread. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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