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Skokeh
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Posted - 2003.10.09 02:19:00 -
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Edited by: Skokeh on 09/10/2003 03:10:50
Edited by: Skokeh on 09/10/2003 02:22:56
In Sarum Prime
Drone lag may be being used to kill pilots jumping in (I cannot say for sure - but i saw a lot drones about, but the screen loaded quickly...)
No big problem (they didnt kill me thankgod...) - but it always makes me think of why there is no concord response in "Empire Space" from Outlaw Blockades....
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AnyDayNow
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Posted - 2003.10.09 02:45:00 -
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Have their been any reported casualties?
If so, is this an exploit or not ?
Jump-in camping - is it an exploit?
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Cruise
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Posted - 2003.10.09 02:56:00 -
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From what I've read on the Crime and Punishment section it sounds like they're around in a large group. How many drones are we talking about here and how noticeable was the lag? (I thought CCP had reduced the lag effect from drones on the last patch )
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.09 03:04:00 -
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What's your proof that they are 'using' drone lag, Skokeh?
Just another opinion cause you don't like getting shot?
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Skokeh
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Posted - 2003.10.09 03:04:00 -
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Yep - maybe they did, well i survived with only threats on the screen (autopilot just took me straight out of there.. )
looked like 4/5 ships - many drones - i tended to warp rather than count...
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Skokeh
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Posted - 2003.10.09 03:13:00 -
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*Post changed due to correct comments
But my post is linked to the ability for outlaws to roam and pose a threat in "Empire space" - 0.4 is now 0.0 it seems....
(Although I have to say, Well Played to SI for allegedly getting the jamming sentry guns down to a fine art  - I can always appreciate good teamwork and thought through tactics)
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Asmodia
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Posted - 2003.10.09 03:58:00 -
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Personlly i think Drone lag is a 'fair' tactic. I have no problem with it 
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Xelios
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Posted - 2003.10.09 04:04:00 -
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You will when you lose a Bship because of it.
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.10.09 04:15:00 -
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i see biomass cartel are the new newbies in town. no surprise they are all ex m3g4. |
Cao Cao
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Posted - 2003.10.09 04:20:00 -
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At least they aren't all homos like you, Homo.
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2003Cobra
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Posted - 2003.10.09 04:34:00 -
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jealous homo? |
Asmodia
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Posted - 2003.10.09 04:44:00 -
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Homo, how many 'Spy' ships did you destroyed to day ?
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.10.09 04:44:00 -
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What's amazing is even after SI pulled this off and annihilated 60 people people are still ignoring their maps. 70 ships in 24 hours? Why are people still jumping into that system? 
Veruna Caseti
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2003.10.09 04:55:00 -
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Well Played to SI for allegedly getting the jamming sentry guns down to a fine art
Except they were never jamming the sentry guns, they were outright TANKING them.
I would assume the Cartel is doing the same thing, but that is just speculation on my part.
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
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Master Scy
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Posted - 2003.10.09 04:57:00 -
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What's your proof that they are 'using' drone lag, Skokeh?
Just another opinion cause you don't like getting shot?
Time for 4-5 battleships to take out any ship that doesn't have the time to turn on any modules: 5 seconds. Time for drones to get to any target: 30 seconds. Jash you know there's a 99% chance the drones are there purely for lag.
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You think Marco Polo said
"Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ?
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Lottsa Pox
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Posted - 2003.10.09 05:46:00 -
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What's amazing is even after SI pulled this off and annihilated 60 people people are still ignoring their maps. 70 ships in 24 hours? Why are people still jumping into that system?
:) Veruna hit this one right on the nose.
To the rest,
You have resources. Use them or whine. Your choice. My choices is which way do i want to store the biomass in my hanger.
Lottsa Pox
Pox to ya pod
BioMass Cartel
Enjoy the game, I know I am
Lottsa Pox
Pox to ya pod
BioMass Cartel
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Mastema
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Posted - 2003.10.09 05:54:00 -
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Sc0rpion, you can also jam sentries.
Research with Duvolle Laboratories or you'll end up in the meat grinder!
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Gunn Diesel
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Posted - 2003.10.09 06:04:00 -
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www.boohoo.com
" Dont hate the playa... Hate the game. "
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McWatt
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Posted - 2003.10.09 06:07:00 -
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*Post changed due to correct comments
But my post is linked to the ability for outlaws to roam and pose a threat in "Empire space" - 0.4 is now 0.0 it seems....
you take a sec hit if you kill in empire space.
you can t follow you re prey.
no difference?
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Zezman
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Posted - 2003.10.09 06:10:00 -
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Simple solution: Fast Computer, Large Memory, High End Graphics Card, and High Speed Internet.
No more jump in lag
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2003.10.09 06:13:00 -
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I'll take your word for it, Mastema, you would know better than I would. 
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
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Johnsus
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Posted - 2003.10.09 07:10:00 -
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Personlly i think Drone lag is a 'fair' tactic. I have no problem with it
Sure, because that happens in space all the time...
Johnsus - CEO
"When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me."
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Caelian
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Posted - 2003.10.09 07:19:00 -
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Yep, when I read this thread, looks like the Biomass guys sure are heroes.
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EvilEric
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Posted - 2003.10.09 07:20:00 -
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Simple solution: Fast Computer, Large Memory, High End Graphics Card, and High Speed Internet.
No more jump in lag
And what good would that do? When the server/client is 56k capped?
Oh yeah I was podded by TANK CEO lastnight. There was not drone lag I was just stoooopid for assuming a 0.4 in the middle of domain 1 jump from Amarr Homeworld would be safe.. (This is not a whine... Fair play to them)
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Drethen Nerevitas
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Posted - 2003.10.09 07:24:00 -
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(Probably asking a dumb question)
Are you sure it's capped?
I have teh ub3r killall supercomputer and a good connection, I never get more than a split second reverting to realspace from a warp/jump, even if people are drone camping (Sorry CFS  ).
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Bizarre
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Posted - 2003.10.09 09:06:00 -
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At least they aren't all homos like you, Homo.
What are they then? Monkeys? I don't think you know what homo means.
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Ace Merrill
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Posted - 2003.10.09 09:24:00 -
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Well, judging from what I've read, camping 0.4 with sentries takes skills and teamwork, so fair play to them.
Secondly, what short memories everyone has. I thought Sarum Prime was already known as Tank CEO's favourite haunt from weeks back. I guess the Biomass boys have found out how to do it safely again. (Cribbing up from SI's much publicised success possibly.)
P.S Funniest sight I've ever seen in EVE - Tank CEO mining (was a while ago though).
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Stonyvision
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Posted - 2003.10.09 09:25:00 -
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As someone said allready. Why don't people check their maps?? It's not that hard.
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Fatal Attraction
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Posted - 2003.10.09 09:28:00 -
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Edited by: Fatal Attraction on 09/10/2003 09:28:44
There's a map in this game??? 
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Destruct
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Posted - 2003.10.09 09:31:00 -
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Well, judging from what I've read, camping 0.4 with sentries takes skills and teamwork, so fair play to them.
are you serious? i don't understand why they're allowed to do this. so f**king lame.
[ 2003.10.07 23:53:17 ] (notify) Khal Ahlek: You have foolishly aggressed against CONCORD Assembly within sight of our sentry guns and must suffer the consequences.
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You can get more of what you want with a kind word and a gun than you can with just a kind word. - Al Capone
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EvilEric
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Posted - 2003.10.09 09:32:00 -
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(Probably asking a dumb question)
Are you sure it's capped?
I have teh ub3r killall supercomputer and a good connection, I never get more than a split second reverting to realspace from a warp/jump, even if people are drone camping (Sorry CFS ).
AFAIK.... I did some bandwidth checks whilst eve was playing and it peaked at 5k/sec.
But I do agree that a decent computer would make a difference to Lag issues.
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Ace Merrill
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Posted - 2003.10.09 09:37:00 -
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Well, judging from what I've read, camping 0.4 with sentries takes skills and teamwork, so fair play to them.
are you serious? i don't understand why they're allowed to do this. so f**king lame.
I never said it was fair, but I can applaude teamwork and thinking can't I?
Personally, I think the CONCORD & police systems need a lot of work - a 0.5 is no different from a 1.0 except in terms of barring different levels of negative security rated players. A 0.4 is no different from a 0.1 - they have sentries and no police.
I'd like to see a scaled system with small patrols calling in support and varying response times, and I know others have suggested this. This would allow a much broader area of space to come into play for all players whilst leaving 1.0-0.9 safe for newbies.
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Tsaya
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Posted - 2003.10.09 09:46:00 -
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Edited by: Tsaya on 09/10/2003 11:16:48
Edited by: Tsaya on 09/10/2003 09:49:49
Edit:
Was talked into removing the tech part in private convo.
But as is stands, jumps will be gate to gate sooner or later, that wont help the lag, but newbs wont be able to camp 0.4 as they are now, at least, cause of the guns.
I salute SI, they choose the option that is a lot of work, needs good teamplay and is lot harder to do; while jump in point camping is just lame and can be done by any newb.
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Destruct
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Posted - 2003.10.09 10:02:00 -
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if the sentries are to be jammable in contradiction to what the 1165 patch notes says, then i think a small police force acting as scouts, calling for a bigger taskforce, would be better. as has been suggested here.
it's just beyond me that biomass and others are allowed to jam sentries at gates and at stations and get appreciation for it.
You can get more of what you want with a kind word and a gun than you can with just a kind word. - Al Capone
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Violation
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Posted - 2003.10.09 10:07:00 -
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Stop crying and just avoid the system if you dont want to die, not hard, although god forbid it might actually take a little effort to open the map and look for ships destroyed, think you can handle that?
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Destruct
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Posted - 2003.10.09 10:11:00 -
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i haven't died and i know how to use the map. i'm just confused that exploiting like you guys clearly are doing, is condoned by players and looked through the fingers by CCP.
You can get more of what you want with a kind word and a gun than you can with just a kind word. - Al Capone
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Violation
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Posted - 2003.10.09 10:17:00 -
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How is it exploiting? we arent taking advantage of a bug, we are simply using the game mechanics like everyone else, its not an exploit.
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Destruct
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Posted - 2003.10.09 10:38:00 -
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from 1165 patch notes:
- Empire owned sentry guns are now none-jammable.
of course you're exploiting. resourceful finding it out though.
You can get more of what you want with a kind word and a gun than you can with just a kind word. - Al Capone
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Violation
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Posted - 2003.10.09 10:47:00 -
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Umm, sentries all have a sensor strength like any ship does, why wouldnt they be able to be jammmed?
They made it alot harder to jam them, so people adapted and now need to use at least a ship for each gun. Anyway, I wasant even talking about that, im talking about camping jump ins.
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Skokeh
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Posted - 2003.10.09 12:25:00 -
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Yep - This post has gone off topic again, the point was, it wasnt Gate camping, it was Jump-in point camping
The issue is - If agents send you missions into 0.4 and 0.3 where pirates are camping, we have to fail the missions, or wait 2 hrs until another appears
Anti-pirating is not viable really, to amass a fleet big enough to take them down takes too long - I am not going to recruit 10 BS's every time my agent needs another politician delivered to Sarum prime.....
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.09 13:00:00 -
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What's your proof that they are 'using' drone lag, Skokeh?
Just another opinion cause you don't like getting shot?
Time for 4-5 battleships to take out any ship that doesn't have the time to turn on any modules: 5 seconds. Time for drones to get to any target: 30 seconds. Jash you know there's a 99% chance the drones are there purely for lag.
Uh huh...And if you draw a shield tank Scorpion? Or an armor tank Armageddon?
5 battlships will wipe my shields no sweat. But they might find themselves sorely disappointed with their lasers' performance on armor. Because people keep hitting these blockades in 1s themselves I guess the thought that someone might come in with a group that might actually force a fight is completely impossible
My 95m isk ship on the line, my drones are out as soon as I can launch them. And if you don't like that, don't do any thing to **** me off and you won't have to worry about it.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.10.09 13:25:00 -
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Edited by: drunkenmaster on 09/10/2003 13:26:03
What tickles me most about the current 0.4 situation is this:
2 months ago, when pirates were first banned from the empire, we asked again and again, for CCP to allow pirates back into 0.4 space. (I wasn't even a pirate then, and I *still* requested their presence, as the empire quickly became dull as hell without them.)
All your ideas for graded concord/police support came from *pirates* months ago.
a couple of cops that, after 30 mins, would call in the big boys. Asked about that.
auto-20 minute response. Already asked.
But the anti-pirates wouldn't have it in the slightest. Anything that presents a risk to 100% projected profit is a no-no. So they insisted on insta-gank concord. It is probably only due to a couple of shining lights at CCP that Concorde doesn't run rampant over the whole empire.
pay someone 500k to jump through a gate with you? 'Hell no, that would cut a percentage of my profit'. chuckle.
Another thing that amuses me is how trolly this forum has been lately.
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Die Harpie
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Posted - 2003.10.09 13:28:00 -
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Once again, Jash, in your fervor to defend pirates (you never really stopped being one did you) and their 'tactics' you have missed the point completely.
Camping the jump in with multiple ships and even more drones does cause a level of lag, and everyone knows this is true, that exceeds the immunity timer set by CCP. This means you come into space well after the campers have been shooting at you. If you are lucky and have your AP on, you may be able to warp out in time. The servers are capped at 56k so the speed of your connection means little to nothing at all, but, having a fast PC can help some.
Granted, the map is a tool more people should use and, yes, it is their own stupidity for not checking before the set their destination. That I can completely agree on. As well as tanking the sentries through teamwork, that takes effort and is well played.
But to defend people who use this 'tactic' (Drones causing lag at a jump in) to grief people day in and day out is just pathetic and any defense given on this 'tactic' means that the person defending it is a griefer at heart who just didn't think of it first.
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.10.09 13:34:00 -
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Edited by: Nirvy on 09/10/2003 13:40:06
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Once again, Jash, in your fervor to defend pirates (you never really stopped being one did you) and their 'tactics' you have missed the point completely.
Camping the jump in with multiple ships and even more drones does cause a level of lag, and everyone knows this is true, that exceeds the immunity timer set by CCP. This means you come into space well after the campers have been shooting at you. If you are lucky and have your AP on, you may be able to warp out in time. The servers are capped at 56k so the speed of your connection means little to nothing at all, but, having a fast PC can help some.
Granted, the map is a tool more people should use and, yes, it is their own stupidity for not checking before the set their destination. That I can completely agree on. As well as tanking the sentries through teamwork, that takes effort and is well played.
But to defend people who use this 'tactic' (Drones causing lag at a jump in) to grief people day in and day out is just pathetic and any defense given on this 'tactic' means that the person defending it is a griefer at heart who just didn't think of it first.
Get real.
It is not an exploit, the second i get in any fight i defend my bship with all 6 drones. Heavy Drones are MEANT to be used, what do you expect? The Pirates to sit in their ships stroking them and calling them cutesy little pet names, and occasionaly manically laughing a la James bond bad guys?
This is a game, They aint gonna strap you to a table, set a laser beam slowly moving from your leg to your crotch, and then leave, and look suprised when you have escaped, they want to kill you!
If im chasing an enemy or waiting at a jump in for one to come along, my sole aim is to kill them as fast as possible, 6 drones doing 18 dmg each is respecatable damage, and tends to cause the enemy to panic unless they are experienced.
I dont get you lot, SI have done this before, as have Biomass, you have a map, if you see 30 ships kills along your autopilot route you only have youe self to blame if you dont take precautions.
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AnyDayNow
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Posted - 2003.10.09 13:37:00 -
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I dont get you lot, SI have done this before, as have Biomass, you have a map, if you see 30 ships kills along your autopilot route you only have youe self to blame if you dont take precautions.
and what about the 1st 10 people you kill - what do they get to check?
and using drones isnt wrong, using drones to purposefully cause lag to people jumping into a system IS wrong....
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.10.09 13:44:00 -
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I dont get you lot, SI have done this before, as have Biomass, you have a map, if you see 30 ships kills along your autopilot route you only have youe self to blame if you dont take precautions.
and what about the 1st 10 people you kill - what do they get to check?
and using drones isnt wrong, using drones to purposefully cause lag to people jumping into a system IS wrong....
1. Im not a pirate, i have never podded anyone, nor destroyed a ship that wasn't at war with my corp or alliance.
2. Tough! Pirates Exist, if you go to 0.4 you KNOW that there is a chance you may die, you KNOW that pirates can kill you there.
Travelling through Empire 0.4 is a RISK. Hell unless you turn it off you get a pop-up saying its unsafe and concord cannot protect you when jumping in.
If i wanted to i could go do my shopping in Baghdad, or Korea, or Syria, but i dont! i avoid those places.
Cmon guys, out of 5000 Empire JumpGates they camped one of the jump-in points and killed 30 people...
Mercenary | The Azath |
drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.10.09 13:48:00 -
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and what about the 1st 10 people you kill - what do they get to check?
how fast they can fly an egg?
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AnyDayNow
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Posted - 2003.10.09 13:50:00 -
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0.4 is a risk - if u die in these sectors, well, thats the game
The issue here is using Lag to kill them! Not having a f**king screen to see who is killing you, or (god forbid) retaliate, is absolutely crazy, you cannot defend that?
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Master Scy
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Posted - 2003.10.09 13:53:00 -
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Nirvy,
Yes, 0.4 space is dangerous, the point here is that Drones lag at jump in points takes away user control completely. You don't control your chance of survival, it all depends on how long it take you to see the screen, you can't even turn on shield hardeners or anything.
This is making the game a jump and pray your screen loads before you're podded game.
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You think Marco Polo said
"Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ?
-Indigo Seqi
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.10.09 13:56:00 -
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Edited by: Nirvy on 09/10/2003 14:02:39
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0.4 is a risk - if u die in these sectors, well, thats the game
The issue here is using Lag to kill them! Not having a f**king screen to see who is killing you, or (god forbid) retaliate, is absolutely crazy, you cannot defend that?
Do you Not Read the CSMs?
The Devs have CLEARLY stated that they are altering jump-in's. You ship will not appear in a system until your Client shows the game screen.
Your issues is already being fixed for God's sake.
No doubt you will continue to whine once that change occurs.
Drones are NOT an Exploit, CCP have stated its not an exploit.
What will you complain about when this change is implimented, and you still get killed? Seriously, i have lost 2 Ships to M0o, 1 to SI, 1 to Zombie inc, and a couple to M3ga in the past, i know what its like to be podded, but you gotta suck it up and rebuild. Its part of the game.
Mercenary | The Azath |
Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.10.09 14:00:00 -
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Nirvy,
Yes, 0.4 space is dangerous, the point here is that Drones lag at jump in points takes away user control completely. You don't control your chance of survival, it all depends on how long it take you to see the screen, you can't even turn on shield hardeners or anything.
This is making the game a jump and pray your screen loads before you're podded game.
Out of what, 400 0.4 systems how many get regularly camped? Seriously if you use your map you can always be aware, hell you could just avoid all 0.4 and below with people in it and be 100% safe
Mercenary | The Azath |
AnyDayNow
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Posted - 2003.10.09 14:16:00 -
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you are right nirvy - and i hope this gets fixed ASAP
but - if 1 0.4 gets camped every day, and 1 in every 30 days u run into one (agent missions send people to the strangest places..), u will lose ur ship GARUNTEED every time until this changes
for a lot of people, it can take them 30 days to get a new BS...
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.10.09 14:23:00 -
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Simple solution: Fast Computer, Large Memory, High End Graphics Card, and High Speed Internet.
No more jump in lag
I have these and it still happens.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.09 14:28:00 -
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0.4 is a risk - if u die in these sectors, well, thats the game
The issue here is using Lag to kill them! Not having a f**king screen to see who is killing you, or (god forbid) retaliate, is absolutely crazy, you cannot defend that?
You're just ****ed when you get destroyed and its by a pirate.
I don't see a single person in the CFS telling their Navy to stop using drones at jump in points. I don't see a single person complaining about using drone at jump in points UNTIL IT HAPPENS TO THEM. Even those of you that don't use any drone except mining drones cheer when the 'Bad Guys' get beaten.
So as far as I'm concern we have a situation that is utterly impossible to prove and a bunch of hypocrites. I've said it before and I'll say it again:
With hypocrisy comes apathy.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Master Scy
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Posted - 2003.10.09 14:40:00 -
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0.4 is a risk - if u die in these sectors, well, thats the game
The issue here is using Lag to kill them! Not having a f**king screen to see who is killing you, or (god forbid) retaliate, is absolutely crazy, you cannot defend that?
You're just ****ed when you get destroyed and its by a pirate.
I don't see a single person in the CFS telling their Navy to stop using drones at jump in points. I don't see a single person complaining about using drone at jump in points UNTIL IT HAPPENS TO THEM. Even those of you that don't use any drone except mining drones cheer when the 'Bad Guys' get beaten.
So as far as I'm concern we have a situation that is utterly impossible to prove and a bunch of hypocrites. I've said it before and I'll say it again:
With hypocrisy comes apathy.
Ah yes, the CFS Navy has been deploying drones to catch kestrels and blackbirds with battleships
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You think Marco Polo said
"Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ?
-Indigo Seqi
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.09 16:01:00 -
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0.4 is a risk - if u die in these sectors, well, thats the game
The issue here is using Lag to kill them! Not having a f**king screen to see who is killing you, or (god forbid) retaliate, is absolutely crazy, you cannot defend that?
You're just ****ed when you get destroyed and its by a pirate.
I don't see a single person in the CFS telling their Navy to stop using drones at jump in points. I don't see a single person complaining about using drone at jump in points UNTIL IT HAPPENS TO THEM. Even those of you that don't use any drone except mining drones cheer when the 'Bad Guys' get beaten.
So as far as I'm concern we have a situation that is utterly impossible to prove and a bunch of hypocrites. I've said it before and I'll say it again:
With hypocrisy comes apathy.
Ah yes, the CFS Navy has been deploying drones to catch kestrels and blackbirds with battleships
Actually... 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.10.09 16:48:00 -
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It hardly happends that the campers catch someone with autopilot on, just set autopilot 1 jump further then you destination, and dont be afk.
When you play EvE, just dont be Aafk, how hard is it?
Go play Planetarion when you want to be afk for hours.
This is not a hijack
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EvilEric
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Posted - 2003.10.09 17:23:00 -
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Edited by: EvilEric on 09/10/2003 17:23:31
If ppl are leavining because of this.... bye
If the Devs have said they are gonna do somthing about jumpin lag issue... have a little patience. SoonÖ
Pirates SHOULD be allowed anywhere the cops aint. However IMHO Sentry guns should be un-tankable at 0.4 and going down to pretty easy at 0.1.
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LordXL
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Posted - 2003.10.09 17:37:00 -
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 Bip Bip Bip.OH GOD Where is my SHIP!!! O_o No Im in a Pod!!! oups where is my pod??
(I know this sucks it append to me 2)
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Ian Wagner
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Posted - 2003.10.09 18:37:00 -
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Heh, lost my Omen to SI last nite, camping the Sarum Prime warp in point, will take the hit as I didn't pull up the ships lost map.
My gripe is more with the game backstory than security lvls/lag/etc. Sarum Prime is the capitol of the Sarum family holdings, and that due to "game mechanics" pirates can operate for extended periods there with impunity from npc forces is unrealistic. A .4 in the middle of nowhere, sure, but Sarum Prime? What kind of empire would we have if they cant even keep their capitol system safe?
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.09 18:44:00 -
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Heh, lost my Omen to SI last nite, camping the Sarum Prime warp in point, will take the hit as I didn't pull up the ships lost map.
My gripe is more with the game backstory than security lvls/lag/etc. Sarum Prime is the capitol of the Sarum family holdings, and that due to "game mechanics" pirates can operate for extended periods there with impunity from npc forces is unrealistic. A .4 in the middle of nowhere, sure, but Sarum Prime? What kind of empire would we have if they cant even keep their capitol system safe?
And with the backstory Minmatar and Amarr have a blood grudge between them. Yet their capitals are 2 jumps away thanks to the highways.
Let's not try using inconsistancies in the backstory as an excuse.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Ian Wagner
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Posted - 2003.10.09 19:23:00 -
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Yes, but CCP/Concord can easily shut down the highway gates between empires in the case of "war", as is they promote commerce and communication between the empires, which promotes peace.
Of course, that doesnt address the issue of pirates operating freely in a rather important system, as far as the backstory goes..
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.09 19:31:00 -
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Yes, but CCP/Concord can easily shut down the highway gates between empires in the case of "war", as is they promote commerce and communication between the empires, which promotes peace.
Of course, that doesnt address the issue of pirates operating freely in a rather important system, as far as the backstory goes..
And? You want the GMs to dress up as Sarum military and come escort them out?
Backstory is nothing but the empty past. What matters is now. "Now" being the pirates control it and nobody wants to do anything about it.
Either do it yourself or give it a rest.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Buddrow
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Posted - 2003.10.09 19:54:00 -
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Why is this even a problem gentelmen.... you guys are complaining about dieing, Why i ask are you dieing? you say drone lag and they cheat blah blah blah. now back to the real world, in WW1 do you think it was fair for germans to use poisen gas? nope, absolutly not they cheated... dirty bastards. we continue on, was it fair for Sadamm to kill 5000 kurds with Poisen gas, did they have any control in the matter, nope... once again dirty rotten bastards. now my point is that the gentelmen you are dealing with are most of the time not looking to play fair, they want to win, not to say oh we lost, but hell... we played fair. trust me that is not what they are saying, and as a matter of fact rightly so, they are roleplaying dispicable poeple, who lie cheat and steal for anything they need or can get there hands on. NOT fair and equal play. now while this may be an exploit, your complaining to the wrong poeple, they are taking advantage of the game mechanics.
Them doing so may not be the right thing, but cries for moral justice will not be headed, nor will pleas for fair play in the spirt of gaming, CCP needs to check its prioritys and if this is one, need to righly put it atop the list of prioritys and get to work on it. otherwise this will continue, and your only defense will be to check the number of piolts in a system, Know the area you are traveling and be ready to defend yourself at all times. and if you do get taken down by a pirate, be a **** about it...contact someone and try to get them back, there are so many poeple out there who dislike pirates you have more than enough options.
Let the flamming commence....these are just my views take them or leave them
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