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Fell asleep about halfway through.

Did he ever get to the point?

Holy crap.... I read the first page then saw its bloody 11 pages long...

The only thing i'm going to say about this drivel is this...

Yes, TS is real life. Behind every single avatar on here is a real person, with real feelings.

Yeah I know what some of you are thinking, HTFU people it's a game. It will never alter the above sentence.

The quicker players like this idiot are banned the better the game will be, because after all, it's a game!

Not a psychopaths playground.

There's nothing more to say. +1

/thread

The only thing i'm going to say about this drivel is this...

Yes, TS is real life. Behind every single avatar on here is a real person, with real feelings.

Yeah I know what some of you are thinking, HTFU people it's a game. It will never alter the above sentence.

The quicker players like this idiot are banned the better the game will be, because after all, it's a game!

Not a psychopaths playground.

What a big surprise! A rack of unsubstantiated accusations, unfounded declaratives and a collection of
worn and trite hyperbole! It's not surprising such outstanding journalism would find it's way onto the Mitanni site
(such a venerable venue that it is!)

Nothing here. Move along.

It takes 1,137 words to say "You British King, we don't like your ways so we go away"
It takes 4,440 words to write the essential law of the United States of America
It takes 11,000 words to say "CCP bans us, we are butthurt, grrr"

Yes, TS is real life. Behind every single avatar on here is a real person, with real feelings.

The only thing i'm going to say about this drivel is this...

Yes, TS is real life. Behind every single avatar on here is a real person, with real feelings.

Yeah I know what some of you are thinking, HTFU people it's a game. It will never alter the above sentence.

The quicker players like this idiot are banned the better the game will be, because after all, it's a game!

Not a psychopaths playground.

There's nothing more to say. +1

/thread

So that's what happened to Darius III
As I recall he was just down the road from where I used to live.


Anyway, since this is such a sore point, what would be a better solution?

We know that if CCP tries to come up with specific rules, people are going to game that and the rules will grow and grow and grow. Need an example? The federal regulations of the USA with over 200 years of "lawfare" games behind it. Do we want to go there? Those books are very very thick now and to do anything of significance that deal with these regs you need to hire lawyers.

A 4chan style anything goes without rules approach will devolve into every player who is not crazy or is over the age of 12 feeling like they are logging in to babysit.

What would be the middle ground then?

IMO a kind of jury system might help - provided that the jury can "judge both the case and the law" meaning that for a specific case or incident the jury can toss the laws. Think of it as a pirata codex which are merely suggestions. But who would be on this jury? The peers of the player and I don't mean their corp/alliance. That is, I would not put a carebear's case before highsec wardeccers or put carebears on the jury of a griefer. (This is what fails in RL jury systems, actual demographical peers of a defendant get weeded out first now and then two legal technicians play a game of "who can dupe the jury better")


Sounds tedious and I don't think anybody is going to like getting hit up for jury duty either. Can you imagine what that would be like? And because of what? See option 2, feeling like we were babysitting.

The system we are having now might be the only way. But how hard is it to check with the petition system to find out ahead of time of some activity is bannable or not? Would that work? Or is there too much liability on getting a pass in writing now that the next employee might overlook or override later - and that situation would erode the system terribly.


Guess I can't think of a way to solve this. We all know what's at stake here. Maybe this is only an issue because the game is stagnating.

ISD's keep closing threads they disagree with or threads about people they dont like because they dont know how to do there job properly

Is this classed as harassment also?

Reading forums about a game over internet explorer is considered real life you know :)

Those of you who find reading :words: so difficult probably shouldn't be playing this game in the first place, and god knows what you are doing on forums and blogs anyway. Go look at a cartoon or summat. Considering a lot of the "OMG I'M NOT READIN THAT, TL;DR" spammers leak their irrelevant dribbling on various forums which ASSAULTS MY EYEBALLS I hope every one of those 11,000 words makes you squeal in outrage.

I understand you think you have been wronged. You should move along.
I understand it's a sandbox, and you think you have the right to play how you want. It's not your sandbox, so move along.
I understand that you want clear lines... so it's easier to skirt them, well, go ahead and move along.
The party is going to be even more fun without you sociopaths here to torment us, so guess what.... move along.
You are a cancer and we have been operated on. So please, just leave.
You will not be missed. There will be no protests. You will just fade away like the other miscreants. If anything, we will be able to retain more new people that never knew how dark and freakish you guys ever were.
If you really start to admit that you need EVE more than it needs you, and you create an alt and come back.... I hope they ban that too.

Not a psychopaths playground.

He compares the staff to a box of chocolates and I know this is untrue.
If they were like a box of chocolates then recent events would suggest Riot has picked out all the good ones and we are left with the orange goo filled ones. But I had a discussion with somebody from CCP just the other day and they did not try to poison me at any point.

As for the rest of the article.......TLDR just isn't enough.

Where to find the community discussion on the James 315 article? The "My EVE" sub-forum of course!

hahahahahahhahahahhahaahahaha

The article hit on some very problematic spots in CCP's handling of the rules..

Btw the article was only a 10 minute read. Have EVE attention spans fallen that much?

This Reddit post pretty much sums it up what I think about this:



Emphasis is mine.

Btw the article was only a 10 minute read. Have EVE attention spans fallen that much?

Ah just got this

Interesting read.

If even half of that article is true (and I suspect it's closer to all true) then im a little concerned. Banning someone for simply being in a chat channel is ludicrous.

CCP needs to take a long hard look at this and why they are bringing down the ban hammer on, essentially, bystanders.

Now - who decides what qualifies as "other hate-mongering ..." and the like? CCP - final judge on the matter.

I can't believe I actually read that trash article.

A cheering section for a such behavior doesn't qualify as "bystanders". Sorry to burst your bubble on that one - RL, that type of behavior has gotten people in some deep trouble - "accomplice", etc.

Check the TOS: You may not organize nor be a member of any corporation or group within EVE Online that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies

In other words, we all agreed to let them decide which points are right and wrong and there's a lot of flexibility in how those rules are written and applied -- all at CCP's discretion.

Oh and TS is a conferencing tool so, as such, it is "real life". Then again, someone would have to complain, CCP would have to review it before any actions would be taken and, again, whatever actions might come about would be at their discretion.

I can't believe I actually read that trash article.

A cheering section for a such behavior doesn't qualify as "bystanders". Sorry to burst your bubble on that one - RL, that type of behavior has gotten people in some deep trouble - "accomplice", etc..

Check the TOS: You may not organize nor be a member of any corporation or group within EVE Online that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies

Its a bunch of words written by a guy who is butt hurt because he and his friend got banned. They cant play the game the way they want to anymore... boo hoo

James315 tears = best tears.

but if you're not going to read it, don't even pretend you have the right to participate in

I can't believe I actually read that trash article.

So why should I care, if someone played the game at the edge of simulated psychopathy and got themselves banned?

This is nothing more than the equivalent of the poor "content creators" losing a freighter.

Kneejerk emotional response.

Literally unable to distinguish between reality and a game.

You didn't read it,

The common affliction of those that don't care enough to have a stake in EVE, its community, or its existence.

You probably shouldn't, but that's ok since that isn't what the article is about.

Literally unable to distinguish between reality and a game. Consider stepping away from the PC before you have an aneurysm over your pixel losses.
You might also consider that the other players in the game just like you are still other players in the game just like you even if they are on the 'other side'.

I'm just fine my friend. I think the person with the bigger problem... is a guy like James315 who writes long articles about pixel politics on outside websites.

Talking about missing the point with ill defined reality... hmmm.

He's not writing about the pixels, he's writing about the game.

Spaceships... not real.
Game about spaceships... real.

You'll get it eventually. Maybe.

Here's what I understand:

1. Players who simulate sociopaths in game get banned for decidedly pathological activities in real life- and the victims were harvested IN GAME.

2. The "head of the club" decides to convince other players, through a flatulent editorial, that these bans are "bad for the game". Because... you know... if you can get banned for a bonus room- they'll ban you for using strip miner II's.

3. Other players express incredulity.

4. James315 fanboi defends James315.

Cool. Got it. Thanks.

Here's what I understand:

2. The "head of the club" decides to convince other players, through a flatulent editorial, that these bans are "bad for the game". Because... you know... if you can get banned for a bonus room- they'll ban you for using strip miner II's.

Define 'sociopath' and 'pathology' for us please. Clearly if you're using such words, you know what they really mean, and have the credentials to explain.

Or are they just your subjective opinion of people doing things you don't like?

Because based on the latter, I find that it's the armchair psychologists who need more therapy than most. Those that point out what they perceive as flaws in others with the most flaws themselves. And of course, it's always the most butthurt and disconnected individuals who equate 'sociopathy' with 'bad people'. You fling those words around as if they're meaningless insults, but you don't understand that you are engaging in marginalisation of actual sociopaths, who can be in actuality very good people. Perhaps you ought to be banned for such marginalising behaviour.

Report me. See if it works.

I've literally met --- more precious than you.

Report me. See if it works.

Yeah, all FUD in sake for the poor griefers. Thats so unfair...
Funny those guys dont realize the river of tears they swim in.

HTFU anyone?
less whining?

i remember boast where J stated that CCP likes them, CCP Falcon lovers them and now it is all not true anymore.

this hypocrisy is so disgusting.

Remi, you are loosing it...
...again.

might be, might not be...
reported.

I actually have been playing since 2004

I like how you don't try to deny that you are dehumanising a minority, you just sit there in smug satisfaction that you won't get banned for it, while people you dislike get banned for no reason at all.

Your internet pixels really are all that matter to you in this entire world, aren't they.

while people you dislike get banned for no reason at all.

in your case i am coming to my own conclusions

Your bad spelling and lack of comprehension

Nonsense:

People with brains, don't post with their mains. You either know this, and this is your alt, or you'll learn someday :)

People with brains, don't post with their mains.

Blank reason ban.

Ban for RL harassment with no involvement in any RL, let alone harassment.

If you had a clue what you're talking about you'd realise you're wrong, but you don't even care about your own ignorance because, as has been pointed out, you're just here to celebrate a 'victory' over people you don't like.

quote mining

That's actually a cute little phrase.

So anyway, not actually a 2004 player confirmed.

CCP did not discuss the reasons so your arguments are not worth sh?t.
I do not feel victory but i am deeply amused about the tears the likes of you cry.

Why should i not like you? What is there to like you?

the god-awful article at TMC is all but rumors and GR CCP GR CCP Falcon.

Why should i not like you? What is there to like you?

Eh, crumpy and remi, do you realise your postings will lead to permalock on this thread?

{{Redacted reference to deleted post. -- ISD LackOfFaith}}

Nonsense:
the reason because they are banned is the same reason they are disliked.

i do not dislike people who where banned by a mistake. but the number of wrong bans compared to rightfulls ones are low.

CCP did not discuss the reasons so your arguments are not worth {{Beep. No profanity filter avoidance. -- ISD LackOfFaith}}.
I do not feel victory but i am deeply amused about the tears the likes of you cry.
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