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Yes yes yes....would you like to add a TM to the end of that?

-Eran

...Nennamaila has been under Federation protection for so long that its citizens (both immigrants recent immigrants who have arrived since its liberation and the locals who were here from the beginning) are loyal to the Federation in all but name.

Even capsuleers have a longer memory than this. You apparently think very little of the emotional fortitude of those living on the planet.

And you give them very little credit when it comes to making rational decisions about their individual lives.

tbh, nothing would change from the current status quo (Nennamaila is a sovereign Federation system) with the exception of honoring President Villers.

And arbitrarily renaming the home of billions of people. They should probably be consulted about the notion.

Oh! I know! Let's put it to a vote! You all are fond of those things, right?

So-- the baseliner populations of Nennamaila are the ones to vote on this, right? Even though these populations will mostly be ethnically Caldari, of course; the number who have become federal citizens is probably not high. Or will you disenfranchise the ethnic Caldari in favor of the federal citizens you've brought in to support your military operations? Though if that's the case, couldn't you just import enough naval personnel to get a 'yes' vote?

Huh. This 'democracy in an occupied territory' thing seems slightly problematic.

Not that you'd notice it, what with 'For Glory of Righteous Democratic People's Gallente State' or whatnot stenciled onto the sides of your ships.

While I respect Diana Kim's enthusiasm and willingness to fight on the front lines, the cold hard facts are that Nennamaila has been under Federation protection for so long that its citizens (both immigrants recent immigrants who have arrived since its liberation and the locals who were here from the beginning) are loyal to the Federation in all but name. Nennamaila is as more secure than Villore, and is as secure as Vilinnon, and Vilur. Why not allow "Villers" to the V roster of names?

1. It's not an occupied territory, it's a Gallente Federation Sovereign system.

2. I would personally love to put it to a vote, but this is a summit and my original post was an editorial/opinion piece honoring a great person.

3. I have "For the Federation!" stenciled on the side of my Federation Navy Comet. You can't see it because it's in camoflage.

There are worse things out there than honoring a great (Intaki born) leader of the Federation.

Of course, whom else to expect to post propositions (even non-legal ones, I'm aware this is the IGS) that complicate the bureaucratic clusterf*** that is the star system nomenclature furthermore.

...than a Federal bureaucrat.

Of course, whom else to expect to post propositions (even non-legal ones, I'm aware this is the IGS) that complicate the bureaucratic clusterf*** that is the star system nomenclature furthermore.

...than a Federal bureaucrat.

Also, hasn't your beloved Senate signed the Yoiul Conference?
Again, I'm no bureaucrat and am under no jurisdiction of the bodies that signed it, but I'm sure there were some chapters there about uniforming star system names. Probably for a good reason.

Part of the problem here is that you seem to think we're fascists. We're not. The word has a correct technical meaning, it's not just a catch-all insult aimed at whole societies.

So, you'd rather tacitly agree with a hostile foreigner's unjust and inaccurate opinions about the State than miss an opportunity to insult me. Duly noted.

Yet I never said he was RIGHT.

Besides, if he wanted to insult anyone with word 'fascist', he insulted only himself, since through the history, it was the Gallente Federation, that was using fascist government system.

....

Yet I never said he was RIGHT.

Aww... So no system renaming? Bummer.

How can I watch history being made if things stay the same? No fair!

Hence: "tacitly".

That assertion will not magically become accurate just because you keep repeating it, you know.

Why change the name when we can just incorporate it? The Federation is a new era for the planet and its inhabitants. Their own name will come to signify that over time. Their name has already changed in meaning and will continue to do so, regardless of what the literal series of letters happen to be.

In honor of taking the entire warzone last month, our pilots have informally started using "Eagle Rise" for Black Rise, and "Valerian Constellation" for the Urpiken Constellation. The first name is to honor the Eagle on our Emblem, and the second to honor the greatest FW pilot of all time, Val Erian.

I still don't understand the need for this sort of thing.

There is no "need." However, why should we use meaningless labels created by the Caldari to describe systems and regions when we can use names that have meaning to us?

Except these are not meaningless labels "created" by the Caldari, it is the name of a countless number of people's homes.

The meaning etched into the hearth and heart of each family living there. It does not matter what language the name originated from or the ethnicity. Like the Eagle to the Gallente, it means so much more than what it originally represents.

You do yourself and whom you represent a great disservice claiming anything otherwise. Your leaders once called Democracy more than a word. That it was an ideal, and so to is a name.

Respect them.

Consider this an editorial or opinion piece - not an official proposal.

Except these are not meaningless labels "created" by the Caldari, it is the name of a countless number of people's homes.

The meaning etched into the hearth and heart of each family living there. It does not matter what language the name originated from or the ethnicity. Like the Eagle to the Gallente, it means so much more than what it originally represents.

You do yourself and whom you represent a great disservice claiming anything otherwise. Your leaders once called Democracy more than a word. That it was an ideal, and so to is a name.

Respect them.

There is no "need." However, why should we use meaningless labels created by the Caldari to describe systems and regions when we can use names that have meaning to us?

I would individually point out "your opinion" in this thread but it doesn't take an elder shaman to see this entire thread is "your opinion" and your attempts to defend it.

You have heard from the capsuleer community. The answer is a resounding no, even from your fellow countrymen.

Take it to the proper legislative body and be done with this nonsense.

If you didn't want to hear the opinions of other capsuleer perhaps you shouldn't post your ideas (read: opinions) on a public capsuleer board.

So it is not based on any need or rationale, but purely to try to feed the egos of overconfident FDU pilots. Understood. Grow up.

Relax, man. I was just telling you what our pilots are doing. You don't have to agree with it or get all bitter about it.

Seriously guys. You don't have to go ballistic over this stuff just because your opinion is different from mine. If you don't think President Villers was a great person then that's fine. If you think Caldari should be have the final say in naming Federation systems, then good for you.

The official names for Eagle Rise and the Valerian Constellation are still what most people use. We in the Federation Militia simply call them by other names.

The reason no one here is taking you seriously Xgal -

Beyond the fact that changing a system's name doesn't actually do anything except make you look like an idiot (since the residents sure aren't going to give enough of a damn to play along, and nobody else cares), there's no need to run around emulating the Republic by giving two systems incredibly similar names. I suppose, at least, that the two systems would be several jumps apart unlike that nonsense in Evati, but still.

I would individually point out "your opinion" in this thread but it doesn't take an elder shaman to see this entire thread is "your opinion" and your attempts to defend it.

You have heard from the capsuleer community. The answer is a resounding no, even from your fellow countrymen.

Take it to the proper legislative body and be done with this nonsense.

If you didn't want to hear the opinions of other capsuleer perhaps you shouldn't post your ideas (read: opinions) on a public capsuleer board.

Why not rename the system after Heth? Its mainly Caldari in ethnicity and lost to the Gallante...

Tibus Heth was the greatest hero of Caldari People. He defeated Gallenteans and returned us our home planet from greedy hands of gallentean occupants. While being Megacorp CEO, Executor and de-facto leader of the whole State, he himself lead ground attack on Caldari Prime against gallentean agressors. He has lost not against Gallente, he has lost to Sansha, and died with honor, like true Caldari officer and Patriot.

You're omitting the part where he went crazy, associated openly with a banned terrorist organisation, rode roughshod over the very Caldari laws and traditions he had sworn to uphold, ordered the Homeworld be destroyed, murdered the woman who refused that order, was declared an enemy of the State, invaded megacorporate territory, abandoned his men after being wounded in a shootout with the Navy, and fled into lowsec.

You're omitting the part where he went crazy, associated openly with a banned terrorist organisation, rode roughshod over the very Caldari laws and traditions he had sworn to uphold, ordered the Homeworld be destroyed, murdered the woman who refused that order, was declared an enemy of the State, invaded megacorporate territory, abandoned his men after being wounded in a shootout with the Navy, and fled into lowsec.

We in the Federation Militia simply call them by other names.

This is a good example of why your proposal is irking people. Just like it is rather egotistical to assume you and yours speak for the entirety of the FDU, it is also rather egotistical to start arbitrarily deciding to rename planets. It's either a distasteful form of nationalism or it's egos run amok. Both are something worth being irked by.

Not really worth being irked about. An eye roll and a scoff maby, but this isn't full on irk-worthy until the proposal is on the Senate floor.

You may be overestimating the severity of an 'irk.' Well below anger or frustration, but enough to be embarrassed by a fellow citizen.

Out of interest, what's the exchange rate here? How many irks to the peeve? How many Irks does it take to rustle a jimmy?

This is a good example of why your proposal is irking people. Just like it is rather egotistical to assume you and yours speak for the entirety of the FDU, it is also rather egotistical to start arbitrarily deciding to rename planets. It's either a distasteful form of nationalism or it's egos run amok. Both are something worth being irked by.

So when the Caldari Providence Directorate (CPD) auctioned the development rights in the Intaki system during the Caldari occupation it wasn't a problem since nobody batted an eye?

So when the Caldari Providence Directorate (CPD) auctioned the development rights in the Intaki system during the Caldari occupation it wasn't a problem since nobody batted an eye?

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. Doesn't the Federation consider itself better then the State?

Speaking about eye for an eye, we haven't yet struck the Federation back for that war crime, that they called "Operation Highlander", hasn't avenged yet for crews of CN Shiigeru and many other capital ships, as for our citizens who died on our planet, and hasn't liberated yet Caldari Prime, where about half of it is still oppressed by gallentean occupants.

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. Doesn't the Federation consider itself better then the State?

Again, the obvious compromise here is to have an auction decide what to name the system. If Caldari traditionalists are the highest bidders, they can keep whatever name they want and the Federation can use whatever funds are raised for investment in local infrastructure, education, and economic development.

If Federal patriots raise the most funds we'll rename the system and use the money for all of those things plus exotic dancers.

Anyone wishing to participate can send funds to me, I promise to keep them in secure escrow.