No and no. Go away.

You say no, but ban waves say otherwise.

You may as well go for it and stop asking. As Falcon put it, there's no set standard and the line of ok behavior or not-ok behavior moves depending on how CCP staff members feel like enforcing the rules at any given time of the year.

tl;dr: Don't associate with whoever CCP considers undesirable and you'll be fine.

Read this and IBTL.

tl;dr: Don't associate with whoever CCP considers undesirable and you'll be fine.

How would you know who is undesirable... like new players only ccp knows who they are and they won't tell us who they are.

Did you bring this up with your CSM OP?

Careful, asking the OP questions could be considered real life harassment. There's a real person behind that avatar you know.

I should invest in Torch and Pitchfork futures.

Are you accusing Doc of harassing someone? That's harassment you know!

Are you accusing me of accusing someone of harassing someone? That's harassment!

Now you're harassing me too! Somebody the RL Harassment In Space On Forums Police!

I was going to be banned for viewing the topic, figured I may as well post.

You may as well go for it and stop asking. As Falcon put it, there's no set standard and the line of ok behavior or not-ok behavior moves depending on how CCP staff members feel like enforcing the rules at any given time of the year.

Well if that's the case, if what's appropriate today is going to be inappropriate tomorrow, and vice versa, just based on CCP's whim, then that is a problem.

This thread should certainly not be locked. All I'm doing is asking (out of interest) a few questions in a civil fashion.

Are we allowed to speak to other players negatively in EVE? Or does that constitute harassment?

Apparently it depends entirely on the definition of 'common sense' used by whatever GM happens to receive the complaint.

Clearly defined rules regarding offenses worthy of permanent banning are for lesser games.

Sigh. Not this thread again.

This is what happens when people can't tell the difference between real life and game. No, scamming in-game is not banned. No, playing a "villain" in-game will not get you banned. YES, taking your douchbaggery out of game WILL bring forth some much deserved butthurt.

The moral of the story is if you're trying to hone your real life douche and schadenfreude skills then you'll need to find another venue to do it in. Not being able to tell the difference between in-game and real life is not an excuse to satiate your sadistic urgings.

Maybe if people would stop behaving like idiot asshats no change to the TOS/EULA would have been necessary.
This applies to people on both sides of the fence, the ones who can not behave themselves and have to uses slurs all the time and the special snowflakes who get butthurt at the slightest change in voice timbre.

Use your brains for crying out loud. If a certain behavior would earn you a smack in the face in RL refrain from behaving so in game. Just the same as you would probably not openly break out in tears when someone (probably at work or school) scolds you or even uses some harsh language. (If you do you should probably seek treatment, applies to the perma slur flinger as well)

This should be common sense for adults, and EvE was always praised for its "mature" player base, looks like some people seem to have been stuck at the age of 12 as far as their mental development is concerned.

Some people slap and punch faces just because they're easily offended. And I would hardly call smacking someone in the face a mature response to anything.

C O M M O N S E N S E, yes some people slap/punch others more readily than others but those people normally end up with social hours and fines pretty quickly, or jail.
Some people even take pepper sauce enemas should we also take that as a norm?
Some guy did something pretty crazy with an eel, is that another "normal" example?

You clearly haven't read the article. So much douchebaggery has already been taken to voice coms and never ever been a problem. The article highlights this, and don't make me post the video of Sky Fighters making CCP Gargant sing on coms again please. The article makes it plain that the issue is just not as simply solved by 'keeping it in game'. It's not. That argument is dead by virtue of it never having been an issue before now.

No, you're dodging the issue. You just said, don't do something that would get you smacked in the head IRL. Well, in my book, there's nothing that should earn you a smack in the head in real life except violent provocation, otherwise it's the person doing the smacking who's in the wrong. I don't know what your examples of 'abnormality' have to do with anything in this discussion though, so I'm going to put them down to being a dodge as well.

Maybe your book is wrong?


For a few hundred years a "smack" taught people to be respectfull.
Then, after a these few hundred years where it simply WORKED ... assholes said "NO IT'S BAD!"

Nowadays people lack respect towards eachother.

Coincidence ... right?



Respect is taught through pain, not words.

Use your brains for crying out loud. If a certain behavior would earn you a smack in the face in RL refrain from behaving so in game.

Most people who got upset about Erotica one getting banned and similar incidents are the ones regularly referred to as sociopaths (most will even freely admit that), them getting banned is no loss for the game. If you lack common sense, if you are a sociopath, if you fail to adapt to normal people then you should be removed and moved somewhere else for treatment.

I am not dodging anything, go to a bar go to the next guy at the counter and start flinging slurs at him. See what happens, either you earn yourself a smack or maybe he will record the stuff and call the police, in both cases you will get punished. Well if you are lucky he might just go away but the bar tender will most likely kick you out, again punishment.

You seem to think its ok to verbally abuse people, well try that with a police officer for example, its quite obvious that you seem to have completely missed the point which further underlines my case. In a face to face conversation you would not even start bringing up bullshit arguments like this.

When was the last time you left your basement?

[quote=Priscilla Project]Maybe your book is wrong?


For a few hundred years a "smack" taught people to be respectfull.
Then, after a these few hundred years where it simply WORKED ... assholes said "NO IT'S BAD!"

Nowadays people lack respect towards eachother.

Coincidence ... right?



Respect is taught through pain, not words.

This thread needs to be locked. It's nothing but troll bait and ranting.

> No, that's how you incite fear.

Wrong. It taught people that going too far or saying/doing crap brings pain.
Nowadays socieities avoid pain like hell, which shows that they do not understand it at all.

> Respect is earned, fear is forced.
You take your false knowledge and build up on it here and also are on a completely different road.

> There's no such thing as teaching respect ...

Wrong.

> and don't ever try to tell me that real life violence makes you in any way a teacher.
Oh yes, I am such a violent person for smacking someone in the face when he deserves it.



Modern society grows weaklings.
It doesn't matter if you agree or not,
hundreds of years of human societies prove me right.

Maybe your book is wrong?


For a few hundred years a "smack" taught people to be respectfull.
Then, after a these few hundred years where it simply WORKED ... assholes said "NO IT'S BAD!"

Nowadays people lack respect towards eachother.

Coincidence ... right?



Respect is taught through pain, not words.

You clearly haven't read the article. So much douchebaggery has already been taken to voice coms and never ever been a problem. The article highlights this, and don't make me post the video of Sky Fighters making CCP Gargant sing on coms again please. The article makes it plain that the issue is just not as simply solved by 'keeping it in game'. It's not. That argument is dead by virtue of it never having been an issue before now.

I had a martial arts teacher hit me in the face because my hands weren't in the correct place and then he told me pain is best teacher. My hands always stayed where they were supposed to be after that. I have to agree with you that a little bit of punishment goes a long way. I am not saying burn a child's hand with a stove eye to teach them not to touch hot things because there is a limit to how respect is taught but being totally passive isn't the way either. Sometimes words don't work as well as the back of a hand.

In the wake of the recent TOS change regarding harassment, I would like to ask a few questions.

Firstly, is social engineering, lying, scamming etc now considered harassment or unfair targeting of certain players?
What about trash talk, rivalries, and generally insulting other players? Are those things considered harassment?

Personally I believe the game is made much better by the existence of villains.
The issue at hand is: Is it ok to have enemies in EVE? Is it ok to express that verbally, have rivals that you continually target, and generally gain resources at another person's expense?

If EVE is the kind of sandbox that it is advertised as, the answer to all those questions should be "yes".

Please STOP the uncivil responses everyone, this is a valid, reasonable point of discussion and you are going to get my thread locked.

Read this and IBTL.

tl;dr: Don't associate with whoever CCP considers undesirable and you'll be fine.

Learning discipline for traditional martial arts is not the same thing as learning to respect other people, or learning how to earn it. The internet itself and this very game both prove respect can be won and lost with no real violence at all. If you have to use violence to make someone fear you, then you have failed to understand what it would take to have them respect you. I for one would rather be disrespected completely than feared.

Please STOP the uncivil responses everyone, this is a valid, reasonable point of discussion and you are going to get my thread locked.

This is going to sound worse than it is but I am going to type it out anyways.

My son doesn't fear me, his family or most of the rest of the population but he does respect them as people, he does respect their ideas and beliefs and he respects their religion, sex, job and all the other things that make people different from one another because me, my wife and our family wasn't afraid to bust his chops when he stepped out of line.

My son is in honors and all AP classes in school, carries straight A's, has never been a discipline problem, shaves his head yearly to raise money for cancer and is loved by anyone he meets. He is a good kid and it is because of a stiff hand, we don't take crap off of him and I am proud to be his father and I know for a fact that he stands up for himself and others, including strangers. I have seen him do it. It is because we are hard on him and no other reason, I am not saying hurt people but being strong enough to stand up for yourself and others doesn't come from a strong talking to.

Political correctness has created a generation of candy-asses, especially in America. My Freshman son has enough self respect, respect for others and intelligence to not be bullied and definitely not bullied over the internet, maybe some of these "adults" should suck it up and HTFU. He will take a beating before he is bullied or stands by and watches someone be bullied. I have seen him do it and I proud that he is more of a man at 14 than most men twice his age.

You should meet his sister, she takes after my wife. Wifey plays roller derby and is a blackbelt, my daughter has a broken finger right now because she stood up for herself. She told the doctor she didn't need pain meds and next time she won't block the boy from kicking her with her hand. I don't raise pansy kids and they will be strong, independent and successful people because we weren't afraid to bust them in the head when they stepped out of line.

This thread should certainly not be locked. All I'm doing is asking (out of interest) a few questions in a civil fashion.

Are we allowed to speak to other players negatively in EVE? Or does that constitute harassment?

Well if that's the case, if what's appropriate today is going to be inappropriate tomorrow, and vice versa, just based on CCP's whim, then that is a problem.

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